DNP

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

This is why people (very sensibly), advocate taking small doses and assessing tolerance to it, before increasing the dose by small amounts. Unfortunately, if you increase by too large a margin you may or may not notice a problem before you’ve dosed a couple more times. At that point, you’re in trouble.[/quote]

This is true, but the math to calculate the amount of DNP in you at any given time isn’t that hard. And increasing by 200/250mg (1 cap) will never kill you. That is unless you were already on the verge death. It’s just pure common sense. If you already feel very hot, then there is no need to increase the dose. I think the only danger with DNP is some idiot with a more-is-better mentality starting off at 1000mg a day.

Also, I believe death associated to DNP isn’t from mitochondrial shutdown, it is usually just from overheating. The easy fix for this is just a cold shower. Same thing you would do if you had a fever.

Gabriel–Right. A slight exaggeration on my part. However, I do want to point out that at that level a cold shower might not be able to help too much. Looking at a couple of the briefs on DNP related deaths, the patients came into the hospital with a serious, but non-deadly fever (102) approximately 16 hours after his last dose, the temperature continued to increase during the visit, resulting in them undergoing heavy cooling via hospital mechanisms including intravenous medication as well as mechanical cooling, and then died over the next several hours with an increase in temp.

Also, the overheating is from the increased cycle through mitochondrial ox-phos, due to the direct shutdown of the membrane gradient from DNP. This means your mitochondria don’t create ATP, so you cycle through more and more substrates faster in an effort to create the needed energy stores. This increase in metabolic flux causes the temperature increase.

Retailboy–fair enough. re: DNP vs. insulin.

If you’ve noticed an anti-proteolytic aspect to DNP use, then I can’t necessarily argue with you, nor do I want to. But from my readings there’s no real evidence to support that, as DNP doesn’t act on any substrates–fat, carbs, protein stores. It acts directly on the mitochondrial membrane potential. So where you get the extra substrates to cycle through the ox. phos system depends on your body, and different people may be more prone to use muscle stores than others. Additionally, diet can play into this, but not from a direct effect of DNP, as it does not act on any substrate whatsoever, or the chaperone proteins responsible for protein degradation/refolding.

DNP does, however, directly enhance the activity of cell death receptor CD95, which leads to cell apoptosis via caspases-8 and 3.

[quote]retailboy wrote:
Aragorn wrote:
True, but I don’t think that there have been “thousands of people [suffering from] irreversible harm” from insulin over dose. You do have to remember that this was once a popular medical remedy. It was stopped when people realized just how deadly it was, unlike steroids and insulin, which have a substantially larger therapeutic index. The amount of harm DNP caused before being controlled/banned is fairly well documented. Insulin is deadly, no doubt about it. But there are well documented and researched protocols for its use, and a larger margin of error. Not quite the same with DNP.

Additionally, elevated temperature is a direct consequence of elevated metabolism in this sense. But the thing with DNP is you can’t really stop your temp from rising when it goes too high because of the half-life of DNP. This is because the drug is in your system and is causing the rise, and it will continue to rise as long as the drug is present in adequate amounts. This means that you can accidentally overdose by 1 small dose and end up dying because there’s no way to clear the drug from your system fast enough.

Also, I’d like to hear your take on why DNP is anti-proteolytic. I disagree with this and am curious to see what your reasons are for saying that.

Aargon I’m not going to get into the insulin DNP debate. My family is plagued with diabetes so I know what can be instore for those that don’t use it properly. But to play devils advocate, DNP we don’t know a bunch about and it isn’t used for medical purposes. So there is a lot more ‘hidden’ when it comes to DNP. But not here to argue that at all.

But about your question of why I think DNP is anti-proteolytic. I’m pretty knowledgeable when it comes to the human physiology (genetics, micro, immunology) due to my education and I’ve only take chem and O-chem - so biochemistry isn’t a strong suite. I could tell you what it does in the body (sure you already know with your background), but I don’t have a theory on the anti-proteolytic ATM. But I know from experience and several others I’ve seen first hand that it is no more than a Ketogenic diet that you are on for a week.
-RB[/quote]

Sorry but it has been used medicinaly

United States Patent 4,673,691
Bachynsky June 16, 1987
Human weight loss inducing method

Abstract

A human weight reduction method in which 2,4-dinitrophenol and a thyroid hormone preparation are administered to the patient. The dinitrophenol is administered in dosages sufficient to elevate the patient’s body temperature, typically 250 mg every other day. The thyroid hormone preparation preferably contains 3,5,3’-triiodothyronine and is administered in dosages sufficient to substantially maintain the patient’s serum T3 concentration originally present at treatment onset.
Inventors: Bachynsky; Nicholas (1110 Pine Cir., Sea Brook, TX 77586)
Assignee: Bachynsky; Nicholas (Sea Brook, TX)
Appl. No.: 668501
Filed: November 5, 1984

Current U.S. Class: 514/567; 514/909
Intern’l Class: A61K 031/195
Field of Search: 514/728,909,567
References Cited [Referenced By]
U.S. Patent Documents
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Primary Examiner: Robinson; Douglas W.
Attorney, Agent or Firm: Pravel, Gambrell, Hewitt & Kimball

Claims

I claim:

  1. A method of inducing weight loss in a patient, comprising the steps of:

(a) administering 2,4-dinitrophenol or salt thereof at a rate ranging from about 60 to about 250 mg/day; and

(b) concurrently administering 3,5,3’-triiodothyronine to the patient at a rate ranging from about 25 to about 100 mcg/day.

  1. The method of claim 1, wherein said 3,5,3’-triiodothyronine is substantially free of thyroxine.

  2. The method of claim 1, wherein said 3,5,3’-triiodothyronine administration is at a rate ranging from about 50 to about 100 mcg/day.

  3. The method of claim 1, wherein said dinitrophenol is administered at said rate with dosages given only on alternate days.

  4. The method of claim 1, wherein said dinitrophenol is administered at said rate with primary dosages given on alternate days and smaller, supplemental dosages given on the days immediately subequent to said alternate days.

  5. The method of claim 1, wherein 2,4-dinitrophenol is administered.

  6. A method of inducing weight loss in a patient, comprising the steps of:

(a) administering 2,4-dinitrophenol to the patient at a rate ranging from about 125 to about 250 mg/day; and

(b) concurrently administering 3,5,3’-triiodothyronine substantially free of thyroxine to the patient at a rate ranging from about 50 to about 100 mcg/day.

  1. The method of claim 7, wherein said dinitrophenol and said 3,5,3’-triiodothyronine are administered at initial rates of about 250 mg of said dinitrophenol every other day and about 50 mcg 3,5,3’-triiodothyronine per day, and following 2-12 weeks of said administration at said initial rates, are administered at subsequent rates of about 250 mg of said dinitrophenol every other day alternated with about 125 mg of said dinitrophenol on subsequent days and about 100 mcg 3,5,3’-triiodothyronine per day.
    Description

This invention relates to a method of inducing weight loss in patients by the concurrent administration of 2,4-dinitrophenol and 3,5,3’-triiodothyronine.

BACKGROUND OF THE INVENTION

Obesity is a common problem. Simply stated, obesity is an excess accumulation of adipose tissue which contains fat stored in the form of triglycerides. The number of cells in the body is determined at least by late adolescence and while the number of adipocyte cells may increase, it does not decrease. Thus, weight gain can result from an enlargement of adipocyte cells or an increase in their number. Typically, obese individuals have hypertrophic cells and the severely obese have an increase in adipose cell number as well as hypertrophy. An obese patient only reduces the fat in his cells when he loses weight. Further, he may not ever lose the tendency to gain weight.

Body weight is regulated by an endogenous body mechanism. Physiological and neurological properties establish and maintain a given weight. Briefly stated, glycerol which is released during hydrolysis of triglycerides and adipose tissue is widely believed to regulate caloric intake and metabolism. Others have postulated that caloric intake is affected by both body temperature and environmental temperature. In addition, cell size and number affect energy regulation. Weight gain cannot be predicted solely on the amount of calories ingested.

In normal persons, thermogenesis is an adaptive mechanism which increases the metabolic rate after overeating. While a normal person will experience an increase in thermogenesis following increased caloric intake, the obese either has a substantially decreased thermogenic mechanism or lacks this particular mechanism entirely.

The use of dinitrophenol to treat obesity is known. Dinitrophenol is known to elevate the body temperature and produces a marked increase in caloric metabolism. However, ingestion of massive amounts of dinitrophenol causes toxicity by the uncoupling of oxidative phosphorylation in the mitochondria of cells. Because of this toxicity, excessive amounts can result in profuse diaphoresis, fever, thirst, tachycardia and respiratory distress which can lead to hyperpyrexia, profound weight loss, respiratory failure and death. The minimum fatal human oral dose is estimated at one to three grams (approximately 20-30 mg/kg).

In methods heretofore known to using dinitrophenol to induce weight loss, while initial daily dosages have usually been much less than the toxic amount, about 100-250 mg, as the treatment progressed the patient normally developed a tolerance for dinitrophenol and the dosage was increased to obtain the same results. This increased dosage led to an increased frequency of toxic symptoms and general disuse of dinitrophenol in inducing weight loss.

It has also been known to use drugs with thyroid hormone activity for the treatment of obesity. However, as described in Physicians’ Desk Reference, Medical Economics Co. Inc., (Oradell, N.J.), 37th Ed. (1983), in euthyroid patients, it is well established that doses within the daily hormonal requirements are ineffective for weight reduction. However, larger doses may produce serious or even life-threatening manifestations of toxicity.

SUMMARY OF THE INVENTION

The present invention avoids the necessity of increased dosages of dinitrophenol and the concomitant toxicity problems associated therewith as treatment progresses while obtaining improved results. It has been discovered that the use of dinitrophenol induces hypothyroidism which can be prevented by concurrently administering thyroid hormone preparation with the dinitrophenol.

Briefly, the present invention is a method of inducing weight loss in patients, including the steps of administering dinitrophenol to the patient in an amount sufficient to clinically increase thermogenesis of the patient, and concurrently administering a thyroid hormone preparation to the patient in an amount sufficient to substantially maintain the serum concentration of 3,5,3’-triiodothyronine of the patient originally present at treatment onset.

DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF THE PREFERRED EMBODIMENT

It has been discovered that the ingestion of dinitrophenol induces hypothyroidism. Athough it is not fully understood, it is believed that the normal thyroid gland produces both thyroxine (referred to herein as T4) and 3,5,3’-triiodothyronine (referred to herein as T3). However, approximately eighty percent of the serum T3 present in the body is produced by the extrathyroidal monodeiodination of T4 to T3. When dosages of dinitrophenol are taken, hypothyroidism is induced, not by a reduction in activity of the thyroid, but by a reduction of the rate of extrathyroidal conversion of T4 to T3. While both T4 and T3 are biologically active, T3 is much more active than T4. Thus, the reduction in serum T3 concentration induced by taking dinitrophenol substantially offsets the metabolic effect of the dinitrophenol. By analogy, the reduction in serum T3 concentration is similar to that observed in fasting patients. Typically, normal serum T3 concentration ranges from about 70 to about 200 ng/dl.

It has further been discovered that deficient serum T3 concentrations resulting from administration of dinitrophenol can be restored to normal concentrations by concurrently administering a thyroid hormone preparation therewith.

In practicing the method of this invention, dinitrophenol is administered to the patient. The metabolically active dinitrophenols suitable for use in the invention include 2,4-dinitrophenol and the salts thereof. By the term administration is meant any suitable manner of introducing the medication into the patient’s body, including orally (p.o.) and topically. The preferred manner of administering dinitrophenol is orally, as in the form of a tablet or capsule.

The amount of dinitrophenol given should be sufficient so that the patient experiences increased body temperature. Preferably, the body temperature is elevated approximately 1.degree. F. The dose of dinitrophenol required to obtain this result varies from patient to patient, depending on factors such as, for example, weight, age, health, environmental conditions, physical activity, nutrition, and psychological state, but will normally be in the range of from about 60 to about 500 mg per day, or about 0.60 to about 5.0 mg/kg of body weight per day. Preferably, the dinitrophenol is administered in daily or alternating daily dosages, insuring that no cumulative effective results, such as excessive thermogenesis.

It is essential that the amount of dinitrophenol administered not exceed toxic doses. In a few patients, adverse reactions may occur at dosages of dinitrophenol which are not effective to elevate the body temperature, contraindications including any clinical state in which there is hypermetabolism, such as hyperthyroidism, ongoing infections, and pregnancy, and any other clinical conditions such as heart disease, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, Addison’s disease, liver disorders, or renal failure. Most are safely treated with suitable results from the aforementioned dosages.

Concurrently with the administering of the dinitrophenol, or shortly thereafter, a thyroid hormone preparation is administered to the patient. As used herein, the term thyroid hormone preparation includes any suitable preparation which restores the serum T3 concentration, including preparations containing 3,5,3’-triiodothyronine, thyroxine, derivatives thereof or combinations thereof. Preferably, the thyroid hormone preparation contains T3. Because of the varying potency of such preparations, dosages of thyroid harmone preparation are reported herein on a T3 equivalent basis.

The thyroid hormone preparation is administered in an amount sufficient to maintain the pretreatment serum T3 concentration in the patient, typically about 70-200 ng/dl in normal patients. Generally, from about 25 to about 200 mcg T3 equivalent per day, or from about 0.3 to about 2.7 mcg T3 equivalent per kilogram of body weight per day, is sufficient. Preferably, the thyroid hormone preparation is administered daily. In an especially preferred embodiment, the thyroid hormone preparation is administered orally with the dinitrophenol.

As described above, the rate of extrathyroidal conversion of T4 to T3 may vary as treatment with the dinitrophenol progresses. Thus, it may be necessary to increse or decrease the dosage of the thyroid hormone preparation accordingly.

It is preferred that in the practice of the method of this invention, the patient be closely monitored, especially in the initial stages of treatment. Recommended pretreatment and initial treatment protocol includes physical examination, electrocardiogram, and stress electrocardiogram if indicated, complete blood count, urinalysis, thyroid function studies (T3, T4 and reverse T3), serum electrolytes, HDL cholesterol, serum creatinine, blood urea nitrogen, uric acid, calcium, pulmonary function tests and liver function tests including liver enzymes, biliribin, and alkaline phosphatase.

In an especially preferred embodiment, the patient is started on initially lower dosage rates of dinitrophenol, about 250 mg every other day, and thyroid hormone preparation, about 25-50 mcg/day on a T3 equivalent basis. After 2-12 weeks of this treatment, if no adverse reactions are noted, the dosage rates may be increased to about 250 mg dinitrophenol alternated daily with about 125 mg, i.e. 250 mg on even-numbered days and 125 mg on odd-numbered days, and to about 100 mcg/day thyroid hormone preparation on a T3 equivalent basis. When the weight goal of the patient is achieved, the administration of the dinitrophenol may be discontinued, and the thyroid hormone preparation continued to maintain the patient’s weight. While dietary control need not be strict, weight loss and weight maintenance are facilitated by moderate caloric intake of less than about 1800 calories per day, during and following treatment.

This method is illustrated by way of the case histories which follow.

Case 1

A white female 31 years of age with a weight in excess of 200 pounds had attempted to loss weight with various diet plans. She had only been able to achieve about a 20-pound loss, and had immediately regained the weight. The patient was nulliparous and had no ongoing medical problems. Upon physical examination, she had a weight of 208.5 pounds, a height of 5 feet, 3 inches, and a blood pressure of 132/80, without any goiter. Laboratory analyses, including complete blood count, liver profile, serum electrolytes, kidney function tests and thyroid function tests, were all within normal limits. Because of her familial history of heart disease, she underwent a stress electrocardiogram which was normal other than early fatigue and calf cramping.

The patient was started on CYTOMEL brand of liothyronine sodium (manufactured by Smith, Kline and French), 50 mcg/day p.o., and on 2,4-dinitrophenol, 250 mg every other day p.o. On the 19th day of medication, the patient had normal vital signs and the dosages were increased to 100 mcg/day liothyronine, and 250 mg/day dinitrophenol alternated every other day with 125 mg/day. The patient was subsequently maintained on these dosages and returned for follow-up examinations approximately every 3 weeks. The weight loss history is seen in Table 1. After 241 days of medication, the patient has achieved her weight goal of 135 pounds. Administration of the dinitrophenol was discontinued and the patient was maintained on liothyronine, 100 mcg/day p.o. No weight gain was subsequently observed.

TABLE 1


----------Day----------Weight (lbs)


----------1 -----------208 1/2
----------19 ----------202 1/2
----------35 ----------196 1/2
----------49 ----------189 1/2
----------69 ----------184
----------92 ----------175
----------113 ---------167
----------134 ---------160
----------155 ---------152 1/2
----------180 ---------148
----------206 ---------146
----------241 ---------135


Case 2

A male 40 years of age with a weight of approximately 250 pounds had attempted to lose weight with a variety of diet plans and diet medications. Success had been limited to 5-10 pound weight losses, with immediate regain. On physical examination, the patient has a height of 5 feet, 10 inches, a weight of 255 pounds and a blood pressure of 160/100. Complete blood count, SMAC, serum electrolytes, thyroid function tests, glucose tolerance tests and stress electrocardiogram were normal.

The patient was started on liothyronine, 50 mcg/day p.o., and on dinitrophenol, 250 mg every other day p.o. After two weeks, the blood pressure returned to normal (130/80), and the dosages were increased to 100 mcg/day liothyronine and 250 mg dinitrophenol alternated daily with 125 mg. The weight loss history is presented in Table 2. Once the weight goal of 167 pounds had been achieved, the patient was taken off the dinitrophenol administration and the 100 mcg/day liothyronine medication was maintained. The patient was instructed to restrict caloric intake to approximately 1800 calories per day. No subsequent weight gain was observed.

TABLE 2


----------Day----------Weight (lbs)


----------1 -----------255
----------14 ----------241
----------30 ----------232
----------44 ----------227
----------65 ----------220
----------76 ----------214
----------97 ----------208
----------125 ---------203
----------153 ---------197 3/4
----------181 ---------193
----------209 ---------189
----------279 ---------178
----------321 ---------167


Case 3

A white male 38 years of age with a weight of approximately 342 pounds had made numerous attempts to lose weight “with all methods” without any success. Upon physical examination, the patient had a weight of 352 pounds, a height of 5 feet, 11 inches and a blood pressure of 150/110. Other than a slight enlargement of the heart on X-ray and +3 pitting edema, the physical examination was unremarkable. Laboratory analysis initially revealed a blood sugar of 372 with a glycohemoglobin of 14.3 (normal 4.4-8.2). The remaining tests, including stress electrocardiogram, were within normal limits. The patient was started on liothyronine, 50 mcg/day p.o., and dinitrophenol, 250 mg every other day, and was instructed to restrict his caloric intake to approximately 1800 calories per day. On the 59th day of treatment, the dosages were increased to 100 mcg/day liothyronine, and 250 mg/day dinitrophenol alternated every day with 125 mg. The patient’s weight loss history is presented in Table 3. Following treatment, the dinitrophenol administration was discontinued and the patient was maintained on liothyronine, 100 mcg/day p.o. and instructed to maintain his caloric intake to approximately 1800 calories per day. No subsequent weight gain was observed.

TABLE 3


----------Day----------Weight (lbs)


----------1 -----------354
----------24 ----------333
----------38 ----------314
----------59 ----------317
----------80 ----------297 1/4
----------101 ---------288
----------122 ---------275
----------143 ---------260 1/2
----------164 ---------254
----------185 ---------243 1/2
----------206 ---------246
----------227 ---------235 1/2
----------248 ---------234
----------269 ---------229
----------290 ---------222


The above cases illustrate the effectiveness of the method with obese patients unable to reduced their weight by conventional methods.

Having described any weight loss method above, many variations in the details thereof will occur to those skilled in the art. It is intended that all such variations which fall within the scope and spirit of the appended claims be embraced thereby.

Good post. The results from the test are somewhat unremarkable… Nothing unobtainable from normal dieting and training. I think the last thing we need is drug that make fat people even lazier. Drugs don’t teach any good habits to these kind of people. Reminds me of 17 year olds on gear. oh well.

Btw, the OP has been online but not posting on this thread. Troll? anyone looked at his Profile? I’m all for drug experiment but I don’t think this is the kind of guy we should be encouraging to use anything besides a trip to the newbie section.

No, he’s not a troll. he’s posted around, just ignored this thread.

ahh, i see.

[quote]ironjoe wrote:
Good post. The results from the test are somewhat unremarkable… Nothing unobtainable from normal dieting and training. I think the last thing we need is drug that make fat people even lazier. Drugs don’t teach any good habits to these kind of people. Reminds me of 17 year olds on gear. oh well.

Btw, the OP has been online but not posting on this thread. Troll? anyone looked at his Profile? I’m all for drug experiment but I don’t think this is the kind of guy we should be encouraging to use anything besides a trip to the newbie section.[/quote]

Agreed to be sure, I personaly use it only to get the last stubborn 10# of fat after a cutter. It is unfortunately looked at by some, the o.p. included as the ultimate shortcut or lazy mans diet and training.

Just wanted to point out it has been researched medicaly and was a prescription diet drug in the 1930s. The research I posted was presumably on patients who had tried all manner of diet and excercise first. It was also determined to cause cataracts in women not to mention possible birth defects.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
Anyone using DNP that is not an elite BBer should have their head blown the fuck off.

What the fuck ever happened to eating right and training.

It lazy motherfuckers like the OP who give this community a bad name.

I don’t care if it is free - you are not smart enough to use the shit.

Sure it can be safe if the person using it knows before hand that more is not better, and that just eating a shit load of carbs will NOT keep him healthy.

Hating on DNP is nothing like the ignorance of Synthol, and Steroids. You can find tons of documented cases where the cause of death is directly related to DNP usage.

Cheers for the support mate.

I am lazy.

I am also on anti-physcotic medication which bloats me, makes me crave high carb, high fat food, makes me gain weight, oh yeah and makes me lazy. I’m pretty much sedated. Have been for around four years.

Just got out of a mental health ward yesterday. I admitted myself for two weeks. I was delerious, had been off meds for around two months, HAD LOST AROUND TWO STONE OF MOSTLY FAT not with dnp but without being medicated.

So fuck you! And be careful with your words or they might just comeback and bite you.

I’ve seen your pics and you look SHIT, your apparently on test year round, big deal get a life and leave yor comments for the bank manager.

Those who don’t think DNP is playing with death need to be committed to a mental institution. [/quote]

[quote]ironjoe wrote:
Good post. The results from the test are somewhat unremarkable… Nothing unobtainable from normal dieting and training. I think the last thing we need is drug that make fat people even lazier. Drugs don’t teach any good habits to these kind of people. Reminds me of 17 year olds on gear. oh well.

Btw, the OP has been online but not posting on this thread. Troll? anyone looked at his Profile? I’m all for drug experiment but I don’t think this is the kind of guy we should be encouraging to use anything besides a trip to the newbie section.[/quote]

I’m back. I’ve been on a working holiday in spain for 6 weeks. Came back to England for two weeks before admitting myself back into a mental ward. Lost at least two stone naturally. Though i was smoking heavily and off my usual medication for around 8 weeks. Will be back in the game. Wanting to push it this time with hard work and sensible eating.

[quote]big balls wrote:
ironjoe wrote:
Good post. The results from the test are somewhat unremarkable… Nothing unobtainable from normal dieting and training. I think the last thing we need is drug that make fat people even lazier. Drugs don’t teach any good habits to these kind of people. Reminds me of 17 year olds on gear. oh well.

Btw, the OP has been online but not posting on this thread. Troll? anyone looked at his Profile? I’m all for drug experiment but I don’t think this is the kind of guy we should be encouraging to use anything besides a trip to the newbie section.

I’m back. I’ve been on a working holiday in spain for 6 weeks. Came back to England for two weeks before admitting myself back into a mental ward. Lost at least two stone naturally. Though i was smoking heavily and off my usual medication for around 8 weeks. Will be back in the game. Wanting to push it this time with hard work and sensible eating.[/quote]

what the…?

yeah…um

Anybody understand what’s going on here?

Apparently it has to do with a nicotine addicted, DNP owning, deranged limey…haha

World

[quote]World1187 wrote:
Anybody understand what’s going on here?

Apparently it has to do with a nicotine addicted, DNP owning, deranged limey…haha

World[/quote]

Ha, haaa…hilarious!

[quote]littlerunt wrote:
Hate to recommend another site, but if you are going to do a DNP cycle, you absolutely must check out any thread by OhHannah or Conciliator over at anonymousbodybuilder.com.

They have provided some extraordinary information - facts/fiction/good/bad. Really, I would venture to say their posts on the subject are the best on the Internet. Some of it is too dry/scientific. But alot of it is hands-on good stuff. You should read it all. Both of them are AAS users as well as scientists (maybe one of them is a doctor, not a scientist).

They guided me through my cycle (and my mishaps, as you may read). If you get it right, it’s all relatively simple. But if you get it wrong the sides are dangerous and nightmarish. Most importantly, take into account the compounding effect this drug has on your body.

In the beginning, I had a disasterous experience, but once things straightened out I managed it better and shed about 3 bodyfat percentage points - something I had not been able to do on my own. I will probably cycle with it again at a low dose next March/April/May.

Good luck. Don’t overdo it and you’ll be rewarded with some loss definitely.
LittleRunt[/quote]

Unable to locate this website?

[quote]World1187 wrote:
Anybody understand what’s going on here?

Apparently it has to do with a nicotine addicted, DNP owning, deranged limey…haha

World[/quote]

WHERE ARE YOUR CAR KEYS?

[quote]big balls wrote:
World1187 wrote:
Anybody understand what’s going on here?

Apparently it has to do with a nicotine addicted, DNP owning, deranged limey…haha

World

WHERE ARE YOUR CAR KEYS?[/quote]

Well right now they’re on my nightstand next to my .45 actually.

But pretty soon they’ll be in my pocket since I’m going down to the dealership where I think I will be trading my truck in for a new one.

I’m not sure though.

It’s a very real possibility that in a couple of hours I could have a whole new set for a whole new vehicle, at which point you will probably find my keys in the ignition of said new truck.

Thanks for the concern though in making sure I have not lost them.

World

[quote]World1187 wrote:
big balls wrote:
World1187 wrote:
Anybody understand what’s going on here?

Apparently it has to do with a nicotine addicted, DNP owning, deranged limey…haha

World

WHERE ARE YOUR CAR KEYS?

Well right now they’re on my nightstand next to my .45 actually.

But pretty soon they’ll be in my pocket since I’m going down to the dealership where I think I will be trading my truck in for a new one.

I’m not sure though.

It’s a very real possibility that in a couple of hours I could have a whole new set for a whole new vehicle, at which point you will probably find my keys in the ignition of said new truck.

Thanks for the concern though in making sure I have not lost them.

World
[/quote]

That sure was nice of him to remind you world.
Think where you’d be if he hadn’t?

Good to know peeps are lookin out for ya.

[quote]InTheZone wrote:
World1187 wrote:
big balls wrote:
World1187 wrote:
Anybody understand what’s going on here?

Apparently it has to do with a nicotine addicted, DNP owning, deranged limey…haha

World

WHERE ARE YOUR CAR KEYS?

Well right now they’re on my nightstand next to my .45 actually.

But pretty soon they’ll be in my pocket since I’m going down to the dealership where I think I will be trading my truck in for a new one.

I’m not sure though.

It’s a very real possibility that in a couple of hours I could have a whole new set for a whole new vehicle, at which point you will probably find my keys in the ignition of said new truck.

Thanks for the concern though in making sure I have not lost them.

World

That sure was nice of him to remind you world.
Think where you’d be if he hadn’t?

Good to know peeps are lookin out for ya.[/quote]

Well I went to the dealership and the bastards wouldn’t negotiate. Actually, I take that back. They would not meet my demands. There’s no negotiating with Mr. World here, it’s either you surrender or we go to war.

So I’m still driving my truck and it’s just fine with me. I don’t need to spend that money anyway.

So big balls, in case you were worried, I still do have my original set of keys and they are back on my nightstand next to my .45 which no longer has a round chambered…

Thanks for looking out though man.

World