DNC 2012

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

Hi,

What beliefs has Romney flip flopped on? I’m genuinely curious.

Thanks.
[/quote]

The two I see the most are

  1. He was pro-choice after some problems fucked with his personal life, and now is pro-life, but at the same time, the hard line pro-life people still hate him for it
  2. He was the first governor to order gay marriage in America, but on a national level he is opposed

Pretty much the rest of the shit I see people menion are policy and not belief

But I do tend to agree with Zeb that people change with experience and situationally, and it really is just a way to pain the man as less because they can’t run on Obama’s record. Like anything, throw shit against the wall and see what sticks.[/quote]

big fucking list

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I thought one of the high lights was Ted Kennedy’s debate with Mitt for Ted’s Senate seat, he kicked romney’s ass[/quote]

Well, I wouldn’t want Teddy the drunk “murderer” who also fought tooth and nail to prevent the wind farm on the Cape as my champion either, but that is just me.[/quote]

I was just saying it was funny how that drunk murderer made Romney look like a flip flopin SOB
[/quote]

He is a flip flopping SOB. Can’t deny that. But at least he isn’t Obama. [/quote]

Whenever you’ve actually done something you can be attacked on your record. Obama was only a two year Senator before he ran for President. The only record he had was the most liberal voting record in the Senate. Romney has done many, many things. From business to running the Olympics to being a Governor. All gave him executive experience by the way.

Sure, he changed his mind on some key issues and I’m glad he did or I’d probably be staying home this November.

Edit: Ronald Reagan was one of the biggest tax hiking Governors that California had in mondern times. Yet, he changed his mind about taxes prior to running for President in 1980.

One more side note on Reagan, he took over an economy that was in shambles under Jimmy Carter and turned it around. He created 20 million jobs by lowering taxes to 28& and eliminating loop holes. Reagan didn’t blame the previous President he took action. A good President can make a difference![/quote]

There is a difference between changing your mind and saying anything that will get more votes or
cater to different factions . You can feel how ever you like . I personally see a preponderance
of evidence that Mitt is disingenuous .

I know people including my self that have changed their mind . But few have changed their mind on DEEPLY HELD BELIEFS especially so many of them and then change their mind again

[/quote]

Hi,

What beliefs has Romney flip flopped on? I’m genuinely curious.

Thanks.
[/quote]

let me know if you want more :slight_smile:
[/quote]

Man. I mean, you can make one of those videos for every politician. But very, very few would be as stark as that.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

Hi,

What beliefs has Romney flip flopped on? I’m genuinely curious.

Thanks.
[/quote]

The two I see the most are

  1. He was pro-choice after some problems fucked with his personal life, and now is pro-life, but at the same time, the hard line pro-life people still hate him for it
  2. He was the first governor to order gay marriage in America, but on a national level he is opposed

Pretty much the rest of the shit I see people menion are policy and not belief

But I do tend to agree with Zeb that people change with experience and situationally, and it really is just a way to pain the man as less because they can’t run on Obama’s record. Like anything, throw shit against the wall and see what sticks.[/quote]

big fucking list
[/quote]

You know, some of those aren’t flip flops, but whatever. If it makes you feel good then go for it.

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[quote]smh23 wrote:

Man. I mean, you can make one of those videos for every politician. But very, very few would be as stark as that.[/quote]

Lets be fair shale we?

He flat out said “I changed my mind” about abortion. Okay, so people aren’t allowed to change how they feel on an emotional topic like that?

Just because you believe humans contribute to global warming doesn’t mean you believe we should spend a billion dollars a year on it. Just because you think we should do something, doesn’t mean you think we should spend money we don’t have on it.

Romneycare sucks. It sucked then, it sucks now, Obamacare is worse, it is the best flip flop I have ever seen.

EDIT: haha, typo had me flip flopping in my responce.

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I think I am being as fair as you Beans :slight_smile:

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[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I thought one of the high lights was Ted Kennedy’s debate with Mitt for Ted’s Senate seat, he kicked romney’s ass[/quote]

Well, I wouldn’t want Teddy the drunk “murderer” who also fought tooth and nail to prevent the wind farm on the Cape as my champion either, but that is just me.[/quote]

I was just saying it was funny how that drunk murderer made Romney look like a flip flopin SOB
[/quote]

He is a flip flopping SOB. Can’t deny that. But at least he isn’t Obama. [/quote]

Whenever you’ve actually done something you can be attacked on your record. Obama was only a two year Senator before he ran for President. The only record he had was the most liberal voting record in the Senate. Romney has done many, many things. From business to running the Olympics to being a Governor. All gave him executive experience by the way.

Sure, he changed his mind on some key issues and I’m glad he did or I’d probably be staying home this November.

Edit: Ronald Reagan was one of the biggest tax hiking Governors that California had in mondern times. Yet, he changed his mind about taxes prior to running for President in 1980.

One more side note on Reagan, he took over an economy that was in shambles under Jimmy Carter and turned it around. He created 20 million jobs by lowering taxes to 28& and eliminating loop holes. Reagan didn’t blame the previous President he took action. A good President can make a difference![/quote]

There is a difference between changing your mind and saying anything that will get more votes or
cater to different factions . You can feel how ever you like . I personally see a preponderance
of evidence that Mitt is disingenuous .

I know people including my self that have changed their mind . But few have changed their mind on DEEPLY HELD BELIEFS especially so many of them and then change their mind again

[/quote]

Hi,

What beliefs has Romney flip flopped on? I’m genuinely curious.

Thanks.
[/quote]

let me know if you want more :slight_smile:
[/quote]

Man. I mean, you can make one of those videos for every politician. But very, very few would be as stark as that.[/quote]

Please show me one about Obama or Nancy Pelosi or Barney Franks or any one else

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Check out this clusterfuck at the DNC, by no one but my useless mayor.

The motion was for democrats to put language recognizing Jerusalem as Israel?s capital back into the party platform.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

Man. I mean, you can make one of those videos for every politician. But very, very few would be as stark as that.[/quote]

Lets be fair shale we?

He flat out said “I changed my mind” about abortion. Okay, so people aren’t allowed to change how they feel on an emotional topic like that?

Just because you believe humans contribute to global warming doesn’t mean you believe we should spend a billion dollars a year on it. Just because you think we should do something, doesn’t mean you think we should spend money we don’t have on it.

Romneycare sucks. It sucked then, it sucks now, Obamacare is worse, it is the best flip flop I have ever seen.

EDIT: haha, typo had me flip flopping in my responce.[/quote]

I don’t think he changed his mind on abortion. I think that he’s always been pro-life, because he is a man of serious and deep religious conviction. You don’t give millions of dollars every year to an institution in which you believe only halfheartedly. And you certainly don’t run for President of the United States without renouncing Mormonism unless you are really, truly committed to your religion. Which is in many ways commendable.

But this is what I’m saying: “Human life is a sacred gift from God. Elective abortion for personal or social convenience is contrary to the will and the commandments of God.” That is from the LDS website. That is what Mitt Romney truly believes, so far as anyone could ever guess.

What I’m saying here is that I don’t think he ever changed his mind, I think he adopted a pro-choice stance as a political convenience.

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For those that don’t know, a big controversy erupted because the Democrat National Platform dropped the position that Jerusalem is the Capital of Israel (yeah, that’s a controversy).

Anyway, they caught hell about it, and forced through an amendment.

Watch until the end and ask youself: (1) who won the vote and (2) does the DNC leadership give a shit who won?

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Obama [/quote]

“Bankers and lobbiest won’t be part of my cabnet”

ahhh… Not even close to true. Maybe a flat out lie rather than a flipflop… Who am I to judge.

While not a flip flop, bitch didn’t even read a bill she voted for.

I’d prefer she flip flopped.

[quote]or Barney Franks or any one else
[/quote]

Not touching this one… While my biggest beef with him isn’t a flip flop, you could say it is.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]or Barney Franks or any one else
[/quote]

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Frank is the new normal. You know, the new normal where you check into a hotel at the DNC with a belt around your neck.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I thought one of the high lights was Ted Kennedy’s debate with Mitt for Ted’s Senate seat, he kicked romney’s ass[/quote]

Well, I wouldn’t want Teddy the drunk “murderer” who also fought tooth and nail to prevent the wind farm on the Cape as my champion either, but that is just me.[/quote]

I was just saying it was funny how that drunk murderer made Romney look like a flip flopin SOB
[/quote]

He is a flip flopping SOB. Can’t deny that. But at least he isn’t Obama. [/quote]

Whenever you’ve actually done something you can be attacked on your record. Obama was only a two year Senator before he ran for President. The only record he had was the most liberal voting record in the Senate. Romney has done many, many things. From business to running the Olympics to being a Governor. All gave him executive experience by the way.

Sure, he changed his mind on some key issues and I’m glad he did or I’d probably be staying home this November.

Edit: Ronald Reagan was one of the biggest tax hiking Governors that California had in mondern times. Yet, he changed his mind about taxes prior to running for President in 1980.

One more side note on Reagan, he took over an economy that was in shambles under Jimmy Carter and turned it around. He created 20 million jobs by lowering taxes to 28& and eliminating loop holes. Reagan didn’t blame the previous President he took action. A good President can make a difference![/quote]

There is a difference between changing your mind and saying anything that will get more votes or
cater to different factions . You can feel how ever you like . I personally see a preponderance
of evidence that Mitt is disingenuous .

I know people including my self that have changed their mind . But few have changed their mind on DEEPLY HELD BELIEFS especially so many of them and then change their mind again

[/quote]

Nonsense Pittski, he, like Obama is a politician. He happens to agree with my philosophy of government so I give him the benefit of the doubt. Obama is your guy so you give him the benefit of the doubt.

That’s all that really needs to be said.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

Hi,

What beliefs has Romney flip flopped on? I’m genuinely curious.

Thanks.
[/quote]

The two I see the most are

  1. He was pro-choice after some problems fucked with his personal life, and now is pro-life, but at the same time, the hard line pro-life people still hate him for it
  2. He was the first governor to order gay marriage in America, but on a national level he is opposed

Pretty much the rest of the shit I see people menion are policy and not belief

But I do tend to agree with Zeb that people change with experience and situationally, and it really is just a way to pain the man as less because they can’t run on Obama’s record. Like anything, throw shit against the wall and see what sticks.[/quote]

Exactly, is it really all that important that Romney was pro abortion and now he’s anti abortion when you have a President that seems hell bent on destroying the economy?

But, if Obama can dictate the topic of conversation he can win.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

In terms of Lewinsky he didn’t do anything wrong. [/quote]

I don’t know man. I feel like cheating on your wife with an intern is wrong.

But I know what you are getting at. [/quote]

Yeah, but his wife is, like, Hillary Clinton.

I mean, come on.

[/quote]

It isn’t like he picked some major upgrade. He went from a 1998 Honda Civic to a 2004 Honda Civic.[/quote]

But the O4 had less miles on it.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

Please show me one about Obama or Nancy Pelosi or Barney Franks or any one else
[/quote]

Hey Pitt we don’t give a fuck about your little flip-flop video.

Is that clear?

Obama wrecked the economy and we need someone who can fix it as Obama is inept at best and at worst he’s doing it on purpose to build a socialist utopia. Either way the topic is OBAMA SUCKS.

Want a little video to show you how he did it?

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
For those that don’t know, a big controversy erupted because the Democrat National Platform dropped the position that Jerusalem is the Capital of Israel (yeah, that’s a controversy).

Anyway, they caught hell about it, and forced through an amendment.

Watch until the end and ask youself: (1) who won the vote and (2) does the DNC leadership give a shit who won?

[/quote]

Awkward!

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
For those that don’t know, a big controversy erupted because the Democrat National Platform dropped the position that Jerusalem is the Capital of Israel (yeah, that’s a controversy).

Anyway, they caught hell about it, and forced through an amendment.

Watch until the end and ask youself: (1) who won the vote and (2) does the DNC leadership give a shit who won?

[/quote]

They dropped god from it as well.

Just curious, but how can Jews vote for Obama a second time around? Hasn’t he pretty much fed a bunch of people that want to kill you money and disrespected your people?

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
For those that don’t know, a big controversy erupted because the Democrat National Platform dropped the position that Jerusalem is the Capital of Israel (yeah, that’s a controversy).

Anyway, they caught hell about it, and forced through an amendment.

Watch until the end and ask youself: (1) who won the vote and (2) does the DNC leadership give a shit who won?

[/quote]

They dropped god from it as well.

Just curious, but how can Jews vote for Obama a second time around? Hasn’t he pretty much fed a bunch of people that want to kill you money and disrespected your people?[/quote]

If a Jewish person is politically engaged (or they have family in Israel who let them know), they won’t vote for Obama.

Most Jewish Americans, however, are from urban areas in the North East or Los Angeles, and get no news except the MSM.

They are traditionally Democrat because, let’s face it, pre-William F. Buckley Republicans were not exactly philo-semetic.

Ergo, the average Jewish American will get nothing but Debbi Wasserman Putz saying “Obama loves Israel! Like, totally!” And that Republicans are fundamentalist Nazarines who want to force-convert all Jewish people to Christianity.

In short, the average Jewish voter is clueless. Once informed, they become shockingly right-wing. Think: Jonah Goldberg, Mark Levin, Michael Savage, etc.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

Awkward!
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I am shocked at the video both because the vote was clearly lost and because the political party “deemed” it as passed.

It’s like something out of Soviet Russia, both ways.

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

In short, the average Jewish voter is clueless. Once informed, they become shockingly right-wing. Think: Jonah Goldberg, Mark Levin, Michael Savage, etc.[/quote]

Yeah, my bosses are pretty right. And one has called for washyourman’s head recently, lol.