Diet Plan and Brown Sugar?

Nutrition
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[quote]tw0scoops2 wrote:
JMoUCF87 wrote:
tw0scoops2 wrote:
So the real question is, are you trying to eat clean? Then you shouldn’t have sugar…period!

Actually, the REAL quesrtion is, do you need to eat super clean to make optimal gains?

the answer is no.

there was a study that showed that replacing 60% of the carbohydrates in a diet with pure sucrose (i.e. table sugar) produced NO INCREASE in bodyfat when calories were held constant.

In other words, brown sugar isn’t any more fattening than an equal amount of calories from any other carb source.

Clean eating for the lose.

Do you know anything about this dude’s genetics or whether he is an ecto-,meso-, etc? Is he carb tolerant?

Well I have no clue. The kid wants advice on his diet and I’m airing on the side of caution. If he is also eyeballing his bodyfat in the mirror and didn’t have a professional do it, he could be 20% BF for all we know, in which case saying it’s ok for him to eat sugar would be a mistake…

It seems to be the consensus that at lower BF levels, 10% and under, carb control seems to be less of an issue. But he is not at that level. Right?[/quote]

I am an ecto I started at 150 and now I’m hovering 199.
you are right I did eye ball it, but I know what I look like at 20% I have lost weight and my abs are sorta starting to show through.

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[quote]dratner wrote:
I hear ya spencercurlz…but I had to break it to you, 17 to 18% body fat is not anything to be proud of. sorry dude. If you could eat that and stay at 12 or 13% then I’d say right on. But I do know where youre coming from in terms of cutting corners and saving money, but listen, it’s not gonna cost you any more to get plain yogurt instead of sugar induced. You can always mix it in with Metabolic Drive and some fruit and it will be delicious. I do. [/quote]

I know 17 to 18% BF isn’t anything to be proud of. but your talking to a guy who doesn’t give two shits about seeing his abs. I like being big and strong. I wanted to get to 220 before I started cutting, but I go to basic in around 4 months
so I figure it would be easier if I was 20 pounds lighter.

the diet I listed Is just in planning I haven’t actually started it. I have been gorging myself of easter candy for the past week and seen no increase in BF. This candy is in addition to 2300 calories which is my maintence level.

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[quote]toocul4u wrote:
JMoUCF87 wrote:
Dratner,

you seem to be under the impression that sugar = fat gain. this is not the case.

Excess calories = fat gain.

these can actually both be true

[/quote]

if by that you mean eating too much sugar can lead to being in a caloric surplus, then yes, the excess sugar caused the weight gain.

but sugar (nor anything else) will cause you to gain fat in a deficit. it is a physiological impossibility.

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[quote]JMoUCF87 wrote:
toocul4u wrote:
JMoUCF87 wrote:
Dratner,

you seem to be under the impression that sugar = fat gain. this is not the case.

Excess calories = fat gain.

these can actually both be true

if by that you mean eating too much sugar can lead to being in a caloric surplus, then yes, the excess sugar caused the weight gain.

but sugar (nor anything else) will cause you to gain fat in a deficit. it is a physiological impossibility.[/quote]

what i mean is, if someone is in perfect caloric balance, adding 150 grams of sugar will be more anabolic than adding 150 grams of protein, and that anabolism of sugar will be fat creation, by definition of necessity of the body to store excess blood sugar, or die.

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[quote]toocul4u wrote:
JMoUCF87 wrote:
toocul4u wrote:
JMoUCF87 wrote:
Dratner,

you seem to be under the impression that sugar = fat gain. this is not the case.

Excess calories = fat gain.

these can actually both be true

if by that you mean eating too much sugar can lead to being in a caloric surplus, then yes, the excess sugar caused the weight gain.

but sugar (nor anything else) will cause you to gain fat in a deficit. it is a physiological impossibility.

what i mean is, if someone is in perfect caloric balance, adding 150 grams of sugar will be more anabolic than adding 150 grams of protein, and that anabolism of sugar will be fat creation, by definition of necessity of the body to store excess blood sugar, or die.
[/quote]

except that carbohydrates as stored in the body as glycogen under most circumstances, not as fat.

that’s not to say that they won’t make you fat, they just don’t get stored as fat directly. whenever you eat carbs, the body preferentially burns it for energy instead of fat, meaning the fat you eat will go into storage in your fat cells.

of course, adding calories from protein would do the same, as any protein you eat that the body doesn’t used for tissue repair gets converted to glucose anyway…

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[quote]JMoUCF87 wrote:
toocul4u wrote:
JMoUCF87 wrote:
toocul4u wrote:
JMoUCF87 wrote:
Dratner,

you seem to be under the impression that sugar = fat gain. this is not the case.

Excess calories = fat gain.

these can actually both be true

if by that you mean eating too much sugar can lead to being in a caloric surplus, then yes, the excess sugar caused the weight gain.

but sugar (nor anything else) will cause you to gain fat in a deficit. it is a physiological impossibility.

what i mean is, if someone is in perfect caloric balance, adding 150 grams of sugar will be more anabolic than adding 150 grams of protein, and that anabolism of sugar will be fat creation, by definition of necessity of the body to store excess blood sugar, or die.

except that carbohydrates as stored in the body as glycogen under most circumstances, not as fat.

that’s not to say that they won’t make you fat, they just don’t get stored as fat directly. whenever you eat carbs, the body preferentially burns it for energy instead of fat, meaning the fat you eat will go into storage in your fat cells.

of course, adding calories from protein would do the same, as any protein you eat that the body doesn’t used for tissue repair gets converted to glucose anyway…[/quote]

if someone is in caloric balance, their glycogen is not depleted enough to accept excessive sugar in the body.

and protein and sugar metabolism are very different, and very different macromolecules with different uses. also, one is essential, and one is absolutely not.

to the op, i’d say on this diet, adding brown sugar wouldn’t be much of a detriment

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the point of my post was that carbohydrate very rarely gets converted to fat. overeating carbs “makes you fat” in an indirect way: by inhibiting the breakdown of fat for fuel, and causing the body to store dietary lipids as bodyfat.

the body won’t convert carbohydrate to bodyfat unless someone is eating an extremely low fat diet (~10-15% of total calories). And even then, they must be in a caloric surplus.