Detention for Hugging

[quote]Dr.PowerClean wrote:
Damn, Mick, I just got off of the Bonds thread, sick of the flame war there, and I come here and…here you are again, lengthy flame war. I thought you were just trying to be the conservative voice in a liberal forum, and I respected that, but you really just ENJOY these flame wars you get yourself into, don’t you? Doc
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Was thinking similar. I took Mick’s comments to my post as I thought they were meant - as an alternative point of view which I took on board and was going to post a reply to but having seen the response to JB I just aint going to bother. Life’s too short.

Mick - I’m happy to debate with you on a friendly basis but life’s too short to start flame wars. Peace bro.

The only thing that’s worn thin and lacking common sense here, Mick, is you.

Too bad you can’t see it.

Actually, you’re more of a troll than anything else, who can’t come up with constructive arguments. Your only tool is to use ridicule and putting words into other peoples’ mouths to make up for your weakness of intellect and character.

Renton never said you were attacking him personally, but after seeing your response to my posts, it was clear that you were just here to start a flame war and he didn’t want any part of it.

There were quite a few words you put into my mouth. By the way, your memory doesn’t seem to be working all that well. I was never fighting with you in the Hiphop thread - it was you and some other guys. It gets very boring watching you at work and I had to scroll through page after page of your lengthy arguing and trite comments before getting to the proper discussions on topic.

I’m not going to play your game and get into the line-by-line, point-by-point verbal jabbing that is your style. You’re going off on all kinds of tangents, assuming things, jumping to conclusions, miscomprehending what is said, and lacking focus in discussion. That kind of crap could go on for pages, and I don’t want to bore everybody else here by subjecting them to having to scroll through a dispute between two people that they’re not interested in.

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Renton wrote:
Dr.PowerClean wrote:
Damn, Mick, I just got off of the Bonds thread, sick of the flame war there, and I come here and…here you are again, lengthy flame war. I thought you were just trying to be the conservative voice in a liberal forum, and I respected that, but you really just ENJOY these flame wars you get yourself into, don’t you? Doc

Was thinking similar. I took Mick’s comments to my post as I thought they were meant - as an alternative point of view which I took on board and was going to post a reply to but having seen the response to JB I just aint going to bother. Life’s too short.

Mick - I’m happy to debate with you on a friendly basis but life’s too short to start flame wars. Peace bro.

You know I took a look above and couldn’t find where I was at all attacking you personally, just debating the point.

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Indeed and as I said I would have carried on the debate. It was just the perceived aggression on other replies you made which kind of dropped all the fun out of a possible discussion.

No personal attack taken, and I did take your comments on board.

The one that I can say about from personal experience here in the UK is that OFSTED (the school governing body) do indeed have guidelines in best practise for these kind of policies (I’ve seen many of them)

Where those guidelines were dreamt up I have no idea but I have sat on enough clinical governance boards to know that many of the people coming up with this sort of thing are not coming up with them from any sort of experience, just what they think is right.

All well and good, everyone is entitled to an opinion, but when those opinions are unfounded and sometimes thought up by people who are not best placed to decide, and they become policy for many others, I think something is fundamentally wrong.

[quote]BlaZe wrote:
Thomas Gabriel wrote:
My elementary school had a room called the “big kids room” for grade 6 students. I used to fool around with girls in there all the time. I don’t think it turned me into a bad person.

not unless you were a teacher…:stuck_out_tongue:

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Nah, janitor.

DB

Mick 28:

Aww, somebody’s gonna cwy…bad Mr. JohnnyBlaze called you names…there there, you might need a hug. Oh, wait a minute - if hugging were made illegal you wouldn’t be able to get one because you’re the type of person who follows rules. lol.

Look, I may have been a bit hasty to pull the trigger, but the problem with you, Mick, is that you are quite tactless. You’re like the schmuck who taunts someone and then gets upset when they throw the first punch. You come into a thread into topics you are ignorant about and then post smart aleck comments; and in some of these threads people are passionate about the topic - so it’s no surprise you find yourself incessantly arguing with everyone. Perhaps it entertains you - that’s what I suppose. But then that is behaviour characteristic of a troll. Mischaracterization and ridicule are also tools of the troll. You call perfectly reasonable arguments inane, lame or ridiculous, and you express a blatant lack of respect for other guys’ points of view. You miscomprehend what is said and then post an opinion. You challenge to provide data without showing data yourself. You use logical fallacies and circular reasoning. I’ve seen you doing this with Rainjack in the Barry Bonds thread.

I suggest to you, to improve the quality of your discussion, to read a book such as ‘Smart Thinking - Skills for Critical Understanding and Writing’, Matthew Allen, Oxford University Press: 1997.

If you want a proper debate, you have to learn to address an issue without resorting to excess agonistics or verbal diahrrea.

So let me name a few examples: The Hiphop music thread, you come in there and say hiphop sucks ass. You don’t know anything about hiphop - ignorance. The Barry Bonds baseball/steroid user thread, you taunt guys for being upset about his indictment. It was pointed out that you’re ignorant about baseball (and you don’t know much about steroids either). This thread, you complicate the issue (I’ll get back to that later) and challenge everyone to write a better ‘no affection’ rule. You were ignorant of the actual written rule posted in the OP article in the first place as well.

Saying I mischaracterize is like the pot caling the kettle black - because that is one of the main things you do.There was nothing whiny or immature about any of the words I have said in my posts. In fact, my words were quite strong so that is a blatant mischaracterization. There was not a shred of self-pity or weakness in anything I said to you - I said it to you straight in a critical manner. FYI, I am 30 years old with an 11 year old daughter, and my good man Renton who you were talking to as well is 38. Everything here is man-to-man. We’re all big boys and can handle ourselves.

I have strong feelings about this topic because I would not let my daughter go to a school with such a rule in place, because I believe it would interfere with her development as a person.

Back on point - there was no need for you to complicate the issue of the no affection rule by opening a “pandora’s box of exceptions” and thus create gray areas. My philosophy is to keep it simple. Every rule is separate in and of itself, regarding a particular activity. No spitting. No fighting. No smoking. There are no gray areas in school policy. In my high school days, there were written rules against sexual harrassment or sexual activity on school grounds. That is sufficient. There is no need to confuse affection between people, with harassment or sex. The boundaries between the two are obvious because harassment is an intentional sexual advance on a person who feels uncomfortable with the advance. Affection is a hug, a peck, an arm around the shoulder, holding hands. Sex is humping, grabbing and fondling of private parts. It really is that simple to distinguish the two.

They did not put out a blanket rule to stop public affection crossing boundaries to become sex. They just didn’t think public affection is appropriate per se. So that’s what I think is fucking wrong!

Here is the original rule:

“Displays of affection should not occur on the school campus at any time. It is in poor taste, reflects poor judgment, and brings discredit to the school and to the persons involved.”

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
more bullshit…blah blah blah
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Mickeymouse -

You’re a troll.

You don’t comprehend anything at all - you’re just in your own little world, pal.

I may have had a beef with Rainjack before, and he’s a strong personality and sharp of wit - but after seeing the way you act, I realize that he is actually SANE and reasonable compared to you. Your strength is not true - your mind is piss weak, but the only thing that is functioning is the ability to antagonize with your own little interpretations of things.

I’m not upset about your smart aleck comments - I was pointing out that THAT is what you do that incites all the flame wars you get embroiled in.

Let’s see how well you comprehed the words you are using.

Question 1 - why would you define my post as whiny? What was whiny about it? My post was a critical act of aggression in both tone and words used. My tone was factual and assertive.

Question 2 - How would you say that you attacked my post aggressively? It was not aggressive - you were cracking lame jokes. I don’t count that as aggressive. I was the aggressor in this situation and you’ve already admitted that. So now you’ve basically contradicted yourself by saying that now you were the aggressor.

You have to REALLY brush up on your comprehension skills. You ruin threads with your verbal diahhrea when you post mile after mile of miscomprehension and logical fallacy due to your inability to read a post properly and get the message.

I could go on and point out ALL the fallacies you have been using, but I don’t think this thread needs more of us going on, or more of your agonistics.

What I mentioned about sexual tension was not “my” theory and it was not an argument or a defense against your lame mop joke. I was talking about the repression of natural human drives that happens so often in society. A no public affection rule is just another form of repression. Unforunately, repression of our natural drives or basic human needs does not have good consequences - it creates inner conflict which can manifest in neuroses, mental illness or deviant behaviour.

Haven’t you ever heard of Freud, Jung or any of the classic works of psychology? They are the basis of all further theory. What I’ve been saying is rooted in the fundamentals of human thought and studying of the mind and spirit, so you can’t say that it doesn’t have merit. Do you think that anything that goes against our genetic programming and takes away something of the essence of being human is going to bear positive fruits? I do not need to go into further detail about it. You should have known what I was talking about in the first place.

You just don’t know what you’re talking about. Aussies have a slang term for guys like you - they call them “fuckwits”. lol

Mickeymouse -

Enough of the personal shit, focused on topic -

Referring to the rule I showed you: why do you think this rule is ok? What is in poor taste or bad judgement to show someone you care about them or to be human? Don’t you realize that they are doing harm in the name of good? Don’t you see how this can be harmful to youth in the way it creates an impersonal atmosphere and denies their basic needs to be affirmed with more than just words, but with actions?

I can see your point here. This time you’re actually putting forth valid debate, communicating an idea clearly without attacking or mocking the individual, and at least writing a structured paragraph instead of a sentence for every line.

Perhaps the staff did see repeated acts of sexual activity or harassment and they got sick of it and said “that’s it - from now on, you are not even allowed to touch each other at all”. Here’s where I don’t agree with that decision - because it has basically crossed the borderline to become a form of totalitarianism. Do you see my point?

Mick28,

Okay, well you’ve just shown your level of immaturity here.

Now I see that there is no way to have a reasonable debate with you because you seem to lack the ability to answer a question directly and properly, without resorting to fallacy of Appeal to Ridicule and fallacy Ad Hominem.

[i]The Appeal to Ridicule is a fallacy in which ridicule or mockery is substituted for evidence in an “argument.” This line of “reasoning” has the following form:

  1. X, which is some form of ridicule is presented (typically directed at the claim).
  2. Therefore claim C is false.

This sort of “reasoning” is fallacious because mocking a claim does not show that it is false. [/i].

An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument.

You have a very limited repertoire and vocabulary. I’ve read through your post history and I have a pretty good idea of what you’re all about. It’s basically more of the same vile filth that I’ve seen here. You even use the same insults over and over again. It’s obvious you’re a negative person and need to get a life - and that’s been said to you before by people other than me! Go figure.

As for calling me a troll, ha! Doubt that very much. Do you have any PMs from people who you’ve personally helped in real life through this board? My inbox has lots of thank you PMs because I am interested in helping people. Trolls don’t help people - they put them down…hmm isn’t that what you do in a great deal of your posts? Have you ever helped a single person on this board? If you look at my post history you will see that, apart from a past flame war with RJ, or kicking the occasional troll’s ass who deserves it, there is not much of that going on. Look at my friends list. I have a lot of friends here. Trolls don’t have friends because nobody likes them. Now look at your friends list. It’s empty. It’s obvious as to who fits the characteristics of a troll.

You’re not worth a PM from me unless YOU grow up and conduct yourself in a more enlightened manner. Somehow I don’t see that happening, however.

To talk to you any further is basically to keep casting pearls before swine.

From here on, any further posts by you will be ignored unless it is a properly structured, valid discourse. You have shown SOME ability to do so, but not enough to warrant any more of my attention.

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
My school (alright it was many years ago) had no such policies and strangely enough we always kept the orgies and ass fucking for after school.

Yea mine too…but we have no idea what prompted the rules in this school.
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My school has these policies (in my opinion ours are worse; 3 feet of personal space in the halls, no hand holding, etc). We had no ass fucking orgies before they were introduced, the worst that I can remember ever seeing was hugging/kissing at a football game and maybe dancing a little too close at prom. No teachers were able to tell me about some incident that would warrant these rules either when I asked about them - consequently most teachers do not seem inclined to strictly enforce them, so I guess that’s a positive.

Clearly that heathen behavior must be stopped before these children grow up with a reasonable level of emotional maturity.

These rules are purely and simply a massive overreaction to some parent whining about their precious little snowflake getting it’s feelings hurt in some way or another.

Edit: I fucked up the quote and am way too tired to try and fix it.

WORD.

[quote]JohnnyBlaze wrote:

Renton wrote:
My school (alright it was many years ago) had no such policies and strangely enough we always kept the orgies and ass fucking for after school.

Mick28 wrote:
Yea mine too…but we have no idea what prompted the rules in this school.

Magnate wrote:
My school has these policies (in my opinion ours are worse; 3 feet of personal space in the halls, no hand holding, etc). We had no ass fucking orgies before they were introduced, the worst that I can remember ever seeing was hugging/kissing at a football game and maybe dancing a little too close at prom. No teachers were able to tell me about some incident that would warrant these rules either when I asked about them - consequently most teachers do not seem inclined to strictly enforce them, so I guess that’s a positive.

Clearly that heathen behavior must be stopped before these children grow up with a reasonable level of emotional maturity.

These rules are purely and simply a massive overreaction to some parent whining about their precious little snowflake getting it’s feelings hurt in some way or another.

WORD.[/quote]

Seconded.

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Magnate wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
My school (alright it was many years ago) had no such policies and strangely enough we always kept the orgies and ass fucking for after school.

Yea mine too…but we have no idea what prompted the rules in this school.

My school has these policies (in my opinion ours are worse; 3 feet of personal space in the halls, no hand holding, etc).

Okay, that seems excessive-Is this a Catholic school?[/quote]

It’s a public high school and vocational technology (CADD, Comp. Science, Animal/Veterinary science, etc.) school in New York State.

That sounds like a damn good argument for not laying down a blanket law/rule in the first place.