Dear Mr. President...

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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Yellowcap,[quote]yellowcap wrote:
I want to take an unofficial poll of all non-Americans (i.e., the rest of the world) to find out who they think should be the leader of the most powerful country on the planet the coinhabit. Just morbidly curious (seems alot of our Canadian friends, anyway, lean towards the liberal side…)
Any non-US citizens care to respond?
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In this instance, Kerry. In my view it can’t get any worse than Bush for the rest of the world.

I also have to add that I think there shouldn’t be one most powerful country, but a group of evenly strong, bound by international agreements (and the willingness to uphold them), making sure no one country can influence the fate of the world too much.

I know that’s a bit blue-eyed - must be blinded by all my liberal hate… :wink:

Makkun
England & Germany

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[quote]skrying wrote:
More: http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/090204W.shtml

A choice quote: “Throughout his political career Bush has adamantly denied that he got a Guard pilot spot through preferential treatment. That, despite the fact Bush was jumped ahead of a nationwide waiting list of 100,000 Guard applicants, while achieving the lowest possible passing grade on his pilot aptitude test for would-be fliers, and listing “none” as his background qualifications.”[/quote]

Ok, you got me.

By your posting from the completely UNBIASED website truthout.org which has absolutely nothing good to say about Bush, where they are referring to a 60 minutes interview, which interestingly had false documents on it, and quoted a person, Barnes, who actually works for the Kerry campaign. Yeah, I should believe that.

Oh yeah, by the way, his daughter even calls him a liar:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40396

I found this link while searching the net, I know little about worldnetdaily other then they are a fairly large news and opinion organization. I do believe they lean to the left.

But if you would rather (not Dan) actually hear his daughter for yourself, here is the link:

http://rope.wbap.com/audio/barnes.wma

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[quote]makkun wrote:
I also have to add that I think there shouldn’t be one most powerful country, but a group of evenly strong, bound by international agreements (and the willingness to uphold them), making sure no one country can influence the fate of the world too much.
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How ironic that this is coming from someone from the what remains of the British Empire! No offense meant makkun, but I just thought that was funny, that’s all. :slight_smile:

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[quote]makkun wrote:
In this instance, Kerry. In my view it can’t get any worse than Bush for the rest of the world.

I also have to add that I think there shouldn’t be one most powerful country, but a group of evenly strong, bound by international agreements (and the willingness to uphold them), making sure no one country can influence the fate of the world too much.

I know that’s a bit blue-eyed - must be blinded by all my liberal hate… :wink:

Makkun
England & Germany[/quote]

2 non-angry libs in the same thread–a record :wink:

“bound by international agreements (and the willingness to uphold them)”

Problem is that the UN:

  1. Is grossly currupt (food for oil)
  2. Is not and can not be effective (I vaguely remember the league of nations had similar problems) i.e. putting nations who are gross violators of human rights on the human rights comittee.

In general, I’m sorry makkun, but based on the inappropriateness of what Europe is doing with vitamins (something I know something about) and the obvious predictable outcomes in other areas, I have no wish to let anyone in Eurpose determine our fate. On the other hand, we should not inflict ourselves on you unless necessary (I’m not sure Iraq was necessary).

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Turbo, if people could just see past their own political biases sometimes, they’d realize you put together a decent post.

It is not hatred to have an opinion and to express it. At the same time, there is nothing wrong with seeing misdeeds and being angered by them.

Some people see fit to put the blame for various issues squarely at the top – whether or not the man at the top is willing to accept responsibility.

Others perceive strengths in the current administration and feel that all else is unimportant at this time. Instead of recklessness they see resolve and purpose.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
Turbo, if people could just see past their own political biases sometimes, they’d realize you put together a decent post. [/quote]

So a blatant attack on a person for the sole purpose of putting them down is a decent post?

Does that apply to the KKK? Because they are just expressing an opinion it is not hate? I have to disagree with you on that one.

Like this blatant attack post? First people should not get angry about politics. We are not children, and should not act like it. Second I do not see a single misdeed, only a twisting of facts in the “letter”. Nothing stated was based in reality.

For example when did Bush ever say he has Gods ear? This is a blatant attack used frequently, similar to the false statement that he said that God told him to go to war.

What are we blaming him for? Getting rid of Saddam? Stopping a proven WMD program from going foreword? Killing most of the leaders of Al-Qaeda?

[quote]Others perceive strengths in the current administration and feel that all else is unimportant at this time. Instead of recklessness they see resolve and purpose.
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Partly right. I don?t think all else is unimportant at all, but I do see the strength of the current administration in dealing with terrorism.

Things are not perfect, but people should not expect them to be. The biggest problem with the Bush administration in dealing with the war is that he tried to fight a PC war. This should make the left happy. But if our people are being shot from mosques, call in a bomber and take out the mosque.

Fallujah, we should have surrounded the city, dropped a couple of daisy cutters, or moabs outside the city so they can see and hear it, and announced if the terrorists are not turned over in 48 hours, the city will be the next target.

That is the problem as I see it.

Notice that I got right to the point, and didn?t speak in generalities, like “misdeeds”, and “blame” without actually making any real claim. All fluff and no substance.

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D-D-Dean wrote:

“I’ve given you a few verbal kicks before Jeff. For example, you’re overusing the exclamation mark again, bud.”

That’s why I love you!!! Had to have you on THE CHALLENGE!!! Wouldn’t have been fun without you!!!

“This election has aroused strong passions, but to resort to violence or vandalism is shameful, isn’t it? Have to agree with you there.
The clock’s ticking- only a few days left. I am supporting Kerry but I have to say Turbo’s post was over the top.”

True.

JeffR

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Oh just to prove how rational the liberal machine is. … This just in, President bush Causes Hurricanes.

If anyone feels like punching themselves in the face right now go for it I did when I saw the sign. I also tried to staple my eyes shut and choke myself.

Please tell me that nobody here actually agrees that president Bush causes Hurricanes. Pretty Please?

Vegita ~ Prince of all Sayajins

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Mage,

I was making sure to be balanced in my last post. Surely you can see that having a negative opinion and hatred are not the same thing.

Of course, hatred can also be expressed via negative opinion. To try to claim that I was saying otherwise is clearly silly.

My goodness, maybe nobody should ever say anything critical of anything ever again, for it might be considered hatred. Nice try.

Whether anyone agrees, Turbo expressed himself and give reasons for his opinion. Some people feel they are valid and important reasons. Others feel they are not.

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[quote]Vegita wrote:
Oh just to prove how rational the liberal machine is. … This just in, President bush Causes Hurricanes.

If anyone feels like punching themselves in the face right now go for it I did when I saw the sign. I also tried to staple my eyes shut and choke myself.

Please tell me that nobody here actually agrees that president Bush causes Hurricanes. Pretty Please?

Vegita ~ Prince of all Sayajins[/quote]

What they’re saying–albeit poorly, and while admittedly jumping to a premature conclusion–is that Bush’s environmental policies have hastened global warming and its consequences. (Global warming, somewhat contrary to its label, often causes affected climactic zones to experience extremes in weather conditions. A place that is somewhat cold can be exceptionally cold. A place that is warm can get exceptionally warm. A place that experiences storms and hurricans can experience an exceptional number of them.)

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Vroom,

Your tone of…LOL typing is mild mannered. We can differ in opinion, but you are never (or maybe I’ve missed some threads) hostile. That can not be said for some of your liberal colleagues. One can make the same point…mildly, forcefully, or forcefully and with hostility. That is what the point I am trying to make is.

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[quote]Berner wrote:
Vroom,
you are never (or maybe I’ve missed some threads) hostile. That can not be said for some of your liberal colleagues.[/quote]

This is extremely funny considering the posts from many “conservatives” in other threads. Apparently, there is some curse going around that prevents you from seeing the sins of others as long as they share your political affiliation.

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Turbo - the planet naturally goes through differing global climatic periods, There have been numerous Ice ages and numerous “global Warmings” all of these have occured quite nicely for millions of years on thier own. To even half heartedly connect a dot between global warming and bush is down right insane. First off we know so little about the entire global weateher system and how it is influenced by the nearly million variables that it is “impossible” (more like impossible right now) to know why it is changing let alone claim that george bush is changing it.

Please don’t make me kick myself in the nuts, I am currently being driven insane by the sheer unbelievability of some statements that I might do it.

Vegita ~ Prince of all Sayajins

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Prof X, Just curious, did you black out your eyes in your avatar to symbolize something? Looks kinda like you have a blidfold on. Certainly doesn’t look like a Zorro mask!

Vegita ~ Prince of all Sayajins

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Berner, I’m afraid I too have my bouts of more hostile posts at times.

While I do see your point, keep in mind that bearing hostility towards actions and policies, is not the same as hatred of the man.

For example, I could get all upset about how things are handled in Iraq, I could rant and rave and refer to the situation with all kinds of expletives. It would be anger and negative expression, but to characterize it as hatred is incorrect.

It seems to me that any time anyone is very upset with policies, they are labelled as full of hate. It is easy to make this mistake, and I think conservatives (not necessarily the ones on this board, but the spundits) make this mistake on purpose.

There is political gain to be had by trying to characterize critics as hate filled angry people. It belittles their claim and opinions. It shouldn’t, but it may help invalidate them in the eyes of the others.

It is a tactic that is very frequently used when someone bothers to voice an opinion around here.

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[quote]turbot33 wrote:
Vegita wrote:
Oh just to prove how rational the liberal machine is. … This just in, President bush Causes Hurricanes.

If anyone feels like punching themselves in the face right now go for it I did when I saw the sign. I also tried to staple my eyes shut and choke myself.

Please tell me that nobody here actually agrees that president Bush causes Hurricanes. Pretty Please?

Vegita ~ Prince of all Sayajins

What they’re saying–albeit poorly, and while admittedly jumping to a premature conclusion–is that Bush’s environmental policies have hastened global warming and its consequences. (Global warming, somewhat contrary to its label, often causes affected climactic zones to experience extremes in weather conditions. A place that is somewhat cold can be exceptionally cold. A place that is warm can get exceptionally warm. A place that experiences storms and hurricans can experience an exceptional number of them.)[/quote]

This is annoying because it is pure speculation. The “admittedly prematurely” line is a very tactful way of saying they have no idea what caused anything, or even whether the “abnormally large” number of hurricanes this year was even a historical aberration (our sample size of knowledge against which to compare it being so small and recent – I would love someone to give me the average number of hurricanes to have hit Florida over the last thousand years, which itself would be a very small sample).

So, basically, what they’re doing is grabbing something a lot of people can understand, which is that there were a bunch of hurricanes this year – I believe a record number for while we’ve been keeping track – and glom on to it to try to get more people to support their position on another issue. This is basic demagoguery.

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[quote]Vegita wrote:
Prof X, Just curious, did you black out your eyes in your avatar to symbolize something? Looks kinda like you have a blidfold on. Certainly doesn’t look like a Zorro mask!

Vegita ~ Prince of all Sayajins[/quote]

I blocked out my eyes for the same reason you didn’t post a picture of yourself in yours or any info of what city you live in or how you can be contacted personally. I am sorry if that offended you in some way. Maybe you were assaulted by superheroes as a child, who knows.

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I posted a picture of myself at the beginning of the month and didn’t hide my face, as to why you want to know my address Pm me and I’ll gladly share it with you if you really want it. Do you intend to send me flowers? I like candy too.

It sucks when someone can dish it out and not take it. Your post called someone blind. I called you blind and you get pissed. Like ranger said … Grow Up!

Vegita ~ Prince of all Sayajins

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Wrong vroom (as usual). When someone calls President Bush a liar and states that he’s a criminal and belongs in jail…that’s hate!

An attack on the Presidents policies have not been called hate (at least not by me)on this forum.

Tell me, are you this concerned about Canadian politics?

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[quote]Vegita wrote:
I posted a picture of myself at the beginning of the month and didn’t hide my face, as to why you want to know my address Pm me and I’ll gladly share it with you if you really want it. Do you intend to send me flowers? I like candy too.

It sucks when someone can dish it out and not take it. Your post called someone blind. I called you blind and you get pissed. Like ranger said … Grow Up!

Vegita ~ Prince of all Sayajins[/quote]

What does asking me about why my face is covered have to do with some post where you supposedly called me “blind”? I don’t even remember your post so I doubt it affected my mood at all. As far as you showing your face, what is your issue. Do you want to see my face? Why? If it is that important to you, I can pm you my face when I get home this afternoon. Does that make you happy? Grow up? Is this about my face or some other issue? Please be clear with what you take offense to. Are you truly this pissed because my face is blocked out? If so, why?