[quote]dmaddox wrote:
O’Reilly last night is going to pay the legal fees on behalf of that father. $17k.[/quote]
Where was MSNBC, CNN, or any other media source with this? Why, would anti-gay Fox News be the only source showing this story.
Why has no one from the left offered to help? Certainly, the left would want to promote “tolerance” right? They want gay rights and gay marriage, but can’t step up to the plate when a church goes postal at a soldier’s funeral?
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
O’Reilly last night is going to pay the legal fees on behalf of that father. $17k.[/quote]
Where was MSNBC, CNN, or any other media source with this? Why, would anti-gay Fox News be the only source showing this story.
Why has no one from the left offered to help? Certainly, the left would want to promote “tolerance” right? They want gay rights and gay marriage, but can’t step up to the plate when a church goes postal at a soldier’s funeral?[/quote]
The church is lucky a few Marines don’t go postal on them.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
O’Reilly last night is going to pay the legal fees on behalf of that father. $17k.[/quote]
Where was MSNBC, CNN, or any other media source with this? Why, would anti-gay Fox News be the only source showing this story.
Why has no one from the left offered to help? Certainly, the left would want to promote “tolerance” right? They want gay rights and gay marriage, but can’t step up to the plate when a church goes postal at a soldier’s funeral?[/quote]
Max my original link was from CNN… I agree with you whole-heartedly, but CNN ran this today.
[quote]BradTGIF wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
O’Reilly last night is going to pay the legal fees on behalf of that father. $17k.[/quote]
Where was MSNBC, CNN, or any other media source with this? Why, would anti-gay Fox News be the only source showing this story.
Why has no one from the left offered to help? Certainly, the left would want to promote “tolerance” right? They want gay rights and gay marriage, but can’t step up to the plate when a church goes postal at a soldier’s funeral?[/quote]
Max my original link was from CNN… I agree with you whole-heartedly, but CNN ran this today.
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Plus the church wants the publicity.
From Wikipedia:
“The fighting words doctrine, in United States constitutional law, is a limitation to freedom of speech as protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. In its 9-0 decision, Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire (1942), the U.S. Supreme Court established the doctrine and held that “insulting or ‘fighting words,’ those that by their very utterance inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace” are among the “well-defined and narrowly limited classes of speech [which] the prevention and punishment of…have never been thought to raise any constitutional problem.””
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
O’Reilly last night is going to pay the legal fees on behalf of that father. $17k.[/quote]
Where was MSNBC, CNN, or any other media source with this? Why, would anti-gay Fox News be the only source showing this story.
Why has no one from the left offered to help? Certainly, the left would want to promote “tolerance” right? They want gay rights and gay marriage, but can’t step up to the plate when a church goes postal at a soldier’s funeral?[/quote]
There are donations being made to the father of the soldier through a radio station in San Francisco right now. The station set up the charity on his behalf. This station is a moderate to left station and this topic, specifically the denunciation of this Phelps motherfucker, has been discussed by every show host today. I haven’t heard one person even vaguely try to justify Phelps’ actions.
One thing I don’t understand is how the family and that church are still alive. I consider myself a peaceful person, but if I had a family member that died fighting and got harassed by these pieces of shit, I don’t know what I do. It would probably be similar to how Marv handled Frodo in Sin City.
I’m all for free speech and I understand why people don’t do anything to these people (it’s their freedom to protest), but how much is too much?
[quote]BackInAction wrote:
One thing I don’t understand is how the family and that church are still alive. I consider myself a peaceful person, but if I had a family member that died fighting and got harassed by these pieces of shit, I don’t know what I do. It would probably be similar to how Marv handled Frodo in Sin City.
I’m all for free speech and I understand why people don’t do anything to these people (it’s their freedom to protest), but how much is too much?[/quote]
Ya I thought about this myself. I think, at least for me, the only reason those people wouldn’t catch at minimum a beating is that I feel it would be disrespectful to the soldier/Marine that died for his country trying to uphold the constitution and the rights it guarantees.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]BackInAction wrote:
One thing I don’t understand is how the family and that church are still alive. I consider myself a peaceful person, but if I had a family member that died fighting and got harassed by these pieces of shit, I don’t know what I do. It would probably be similar to how Marv handled Frodo in Sin City.
I’m all for free speech and I understand why people don’t do anything to these people (it’s their freedom to protest), but how much is too much?[/quote]
Ya I thought about this myself. I think, at least for me, the only reason those people wouldn’t catch at minimum a beating is that I feel it would be disrespectful to the soldier/Marine that died for his country trying to uphold the constitution and the rights it guarantees. [/quote]
Good point.
I also heard that the way this “church” is able to go to all these protests across the country is by lawsuits from people who threaten them. Terrible people.
I seen footage of some college guys with bullhorns fake being gay and just hounded these twits on a street corner, it was pretty funny seeing them squirm for a change.
And if I remember correctly a couple years ago a whole bunch of bikers lined the road of a funeral procession so the westboro shitheads couldn’t get near enough to cause shit and saved the family alot of grief.
I thought that was an excellent idea.
They have the right to free speech. Doesn’t mean I won’t kick them in the mouth.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
O’Reilly last night is going to pay the legal fees on behalf of that father. $17k.[/quote]
Where was MSNBC, CNN, or any other media source with this? Why, would anti-gay Fox News be the only source showing this story.
Why has no one from the left offered to help? Certainly, the left would want to promote “tolerance” right? They want gay rights and gay marriage, but can’t step up to the plate when a church goes postal at a soldier’s funeral?[/quote]
Phleps is a Dem and has run on that ticket in Kansas a few times…he received quite a few votes IIRC. Party of tolerance my ass.
[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
Watched a BBC program on that Westboro ‘church’…fucking shameful.Don’t know how they live with themselves.[/quote]
I ROFLd when one of their kids got cracked on the head with a slurpee. After watching the latest episode of mythbusters I can really appreciate what one of things thrown out of a car can do.
When the father told the judge that he was unable to afford the legal fees, the church side said that he did have the money from his son’s dead soldier benefits.
These self righteous lowlifes are a disgrace both to the Christian religion and this nation. That said, these situations almost always present difficult legal situations though not moral ones in my book.
Code Pink does some things I really deplore, but I don’t know that I’m ready most of the time to deny them the right to do it because I could always be next.
I don’t know enough about this story legally to settle on on a firm opinion. From the legal standpoint that is. Morally these people are reprehensible. Jesus reserved his very harshest words (and boy were they ever) for the pharisees who spent their days hypocritically declaring themselves better than the people Jesus himself spent most of his time with.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
These self righteous lowlifes are a disgrace both to the Christian religion and this nation. That said, these situations almost always present difficult legal situations though not moral ones in my book.
Code Pink does some things I really deplore, but I don’t know that I’m ready most of the time to deny them the right to do it because I could always be next.
I don’t know enough about this story legally to settle on on a firm opinion. From the legal standpoint that is. Morally these people are reprehensible. Jesus reserved his very harshest words (and boy were they ever) for the pharisees who spent their days hypocritically declaring themselves better than the people Jesus himself spent most of his time with.[/quote]
If you get in someones face and yell and call them names to the point of causing mental anguish, it’s not protected speech. These people are doing exactly that. They are intentionally psychologically abusing people.
It would be the same thing if these people protested outside your house through the night and intentionally kept you awake in order to psychologically hurt you and disrupt your life.
They can spread whatever message they want, however what they do and where they do it is designed to hurt people, not speak their mind.
I have no reservations about forcing these people to shut up at a funeral.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
These self righteous lowlifes are a disgrace both to the Christian religion and this nation. That said, these situations almost always present difficult legal situations though not moral ones in my book.
Code Pink does some things I really deplore, but I don’t know that I’m ready most of the time to deny them the right to do it because I could always be next.
I don’t know enough about this story legally to settle on on a firm opinion. From the legal standpoint that is. Morally these people are reprehensible. Jesus reserved his very harshest words (and boy were they ever) for the pharisees who spent their days hypocritically declaring themselves better than the people Jesus himself spent most of his time with.[/quote]
Whatever man. The perfectly reasonable and rational Westboro Baptist Church are fighting for our souls against teh ghey element here in America.
You should be thankful for all their hard work and vigilance.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
These self righteous lowlifes are a disgrace both to the Christian religion and this nation. That said, these situations almost always present difficult legal situations though not moral ones in my book.
Code Pink does some things I really deplore, but I don’t know that I’m ready most of the time to deny them the right to do it because I could always be next.
I don’t know enough about this story legally to settle on on a firm opinion. From the legal standpoint that is. Morally these people are reprehensible. Jesus reserved his very harshest words (and boy were they ever) for the pharisees who spent their days hypocritically declaring themselves better than the people Jesus himself spent most of his time with.[/quote]
If you get in someones face and yell and call them names to the point of causing mental anguish, it’s not protected speech. These people are doing exactly that. They are intentionally psychologically abusing people.
It would be the same thing if these people protested outside your house through the night and intentionally kept you awake in order to psychologically hurt you and disrupt your life.
They can spread whatever message they want, however what they do and where they do it is designed to hurt people, not speak their mind.
I have no reservations about forcing these people to shut up at a funeral.[/quote]
If all this is the case here then I agree. Very well could be which is why I say I’m not in a position to know the details at this point. All I’ve seen is footage of them acting like idiots. None of it has made clear the proximity to the funerals or any of the other details. I’ll reiterate just to remove all doubt. These people are both anti Christian and Anti American aside from being obnoxious. I put them in the same general category as code pink. Nobody get the idea that I am being in any way sympathetic.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
We aught to picket their church every Sunday.[/quote]
I would love to do that. Those fucker’s are worse than dog shit. They are a disgrace to humanity…There will be plenty of gays in heaven watching these imbeciles burn…
They are in OK aren’t they?
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
We aught to picket their church every Sunday.[/quote]
I would love to do that. Those fucker’s are worse than dog shit. They are a disgrace to humanity…There will be plenty of gays in heaven watching these imbeciles burn…
They are in OK aren’t they?[/quote]
How DARE you say that! They are in Kansas, naturally.