Basically if won’t fuck anything up? I can take my first injection in the morning and at night if I’m feeling up to it I can hit legs ?
Back in the late '70’s it was “shot day” every Saturday. And I know this is hard to believe these days, but “shot day” was pretty much a party done in plain view of anyone passing by the gym office and gym entrance which was all glass windows. The gym was on Atlantic Blvd (US 90.) The gym owner had a guy from a pharmaceutical warehouse stealing test, d-bol, deca, etc. and the gym owner would pay him about 20% of cost.
For the powerlifters, Saturday was squat day. I suppose the strongest guy I knew at the time, he won most every 242lb class he competed in, didn’t want his wife to know he was doing steroids. So he would have the gym owner inject him the entire 10cc bottle of 200mg/cc test (5cc in each cheek) just before they started squats. So I suppose the answer for him was not to start squats until the last needle was removed.
I’m saying like I inject tomorrow morning, can I hit the weights in the afternoon/night ?
Those guys lifted weights within 15 minutes of getting an injection. It seems your 6 to 12 hour wait is more than sufficient.
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How many heart attacks/sudden deaths did you observe back during this era?
There’s no reason why you wouldn’t lift after taking a shot. Hell, certain pip is actually helped by working that muscle group the day of.
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Heck, we were all young and bulletproof. Not to mention ignorant, but that was the best part. The only place for information on steroids was a PDR. We were pioneers!
Out of curiousity, how old were you when you got into bodybuilding (not steroids), just generalised resistance training? Did you guys do cardio back then? What did an average split look like during the ‘golden age’? Was it really as crazy as they say it was (i.e six hours of resistance training per day, pounds of red meat etc).
Did you ever try any of the ‘harsh’ drugs like stanozolol (winstrol), trenbolone, dehydromethyltestosterone (dbol) etc. If you aren’t comfortable disclosing this kind of information I fully understand.
Are you on TRT now? If so, at what age did you hop on testosterone replacement? Was it around back in the day for bodybuilders who’d fried their endocrine systems? I know the drugs weren’t controlled substances at the time, nor did they have the same largely undeserved stigma attached to them as they do now.
Can’t tell you how many questions I’ve gotten related to AAS and “does it make your cock smaller? I’ve heard it does”. I’d like to know who perpetuated this myth
Did you guys get more or less away with it? Or have health ramifications caught up with your colleagues? Data regarding health outcomes in relation to long term cyclic use of AAS is sparse, it’d be interesting to hear anecdotes regarding long term outcomes.
1st injection is complete at 250ml, stung a bit breaking skin. Did the thumb to pinky method and stuck it in the upper part and outer of the ass , didn’t hurt, went in smooth… I guess I did it right? Haha
You’ll know tomorrow if you did it right. Wake up? Perfect job. Don’t wake up? You messed up.
Good luck man
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Haha can’t wait
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I’ll start with your first couple paragraphs. I got into “conditioning” in January 1968 and I was 19 years old, where I did a little gymnastics (at 6’ tall I wasn’t going anywhere there) and did pull ups and dips. I could do 20 pull ups and 20 bar dips before I ever lifted a weight (I was 160lbs).
Next, a close college friend asked why I didn’t add weight lifting to my conditioning. I agreed and did so with some meager weights, doing overhead press, upright rows, bent over rows, and standing curls all with a 60lb barbell. I progressed steadily and fairly slowly, but I didn’t have much to compare with.
In the fall my friend asked if I had thought of taking steroids. He had taken 4mg of winstrol a day when he competed in the 880 yd run in high school. I said I would consider it. When I went home for Christmas break I went to my doctor and asked what he thought of taking steroids to improve my weight lifting. He gave me a script for 10mg of dianabol a day for 4 weeks. So after one year of lifting weights “clean” I started my first cycle of 10mg of dianabol a day.
I upped my dosage to 15mg a day for an 8 week cycle. This, and a little more is what I did until about 1976. No one did cardio and we didn’t even know what it meant. I began competing in 1970 in bodybuilding and only dieted to get “cut”.
I didn’t start cardio for contest prep until 1978. And no one did cardio for fun, because it isn’t.
We had been introduced to Nautilus Jones’ style training, but did not last long, because most of us felt our progress was slowed compared to our traditional sets. Luckily Iron Man Magazine took hold in our gym and we kept with rational length workouts. The big compound lifts with heavy weights were the rage in our gym. Strong got respect.
Monday: Chest and Back
Tuesday: Legs and Abs
Wednesday: Shoulders and Arms
Repeat and then Sunday OFF
We never considered winstrol a harsh drug. Anadrol 50 was considered the harsh oral back then. Many took d-bol, anavar, and winstrol as orals, but the doses were relatively low, but some stacked all three. The saying went, “How many Blues, Whites, and Pinks are you taking?” Shortly thereafter deca got popular and then test. The injectables started the Saturday Party.
We weren’t red meat crazy, but went with more fish and chicken for protein. Joe Means had just shocked the Mr. America with never before seen definition.
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How many calories should
You consume on test?
If you’re bulking then aim for something like 500 over maintenance. You can do fewer if you’d like, but for the purposes of growth you need to eat enough over your daily expenditure for your food to eventually become muscle. Prioritize protein in your diet.
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Don’t understand the popularity regarding this drug within the realm of athletics. Seems to predispose the athlete to injury, wouldn’t oxandrolone serve a similar purpose with arguably less risk (reduced hepatotoxicity/injury risk)
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I don’t believe this is/was a byproduct of the drug itself. Oxymetholone still has an unwarranted reputation for being harsh. One needs to factor in the dosage. Take 50-150mg dbol/day akin to the way people take anadrol and see how you feel (note… Don’t do this).
Oxymetholone may be one of the few oral AAS directly documented to induce hepatocellular carcinoma following prolonged use (as well as fluoxymesterone and methyltestosterone) albeit I’d argue this is simply because oxymetholone is one of the few AAS with data pertaining to long term use available.
The association with AAS and hepatocellular carcinoma is uniform to all c17aa drugs aside from (maybe) oxandrolone
Back in the mid '70’s for our “isolated” group, if it wasn’t in the PDR we didn’t know anything about it. We didn’t know anything much more than it was an anabolic. We knew test was an androgenic. and here’s what we thought. All of our known steroids had an anabolic/androgenic ratio. And we thought their ranking from most anabolic to androgenic ratio from highest to lowest was:
- Anavar
- Winstrol
- Deca
- Dianabol
- Anadrol 50
- Testosterone
We got into the veterinarian steroids in the late '70’s, Winstrol V, Equipoise. Also, an injectable (from Australia, I believe) got popular in our gym called Methandriol. It was my favorite contest “cutting” steroid in the late '70’s. Also, a few people tried, what we called the Holy Grail of steroids, or so we thought, Primobolan acetate, but no one could obtain enough of that to actually give it its due.
Finally. We had nothing but anecdotal evidence and word of mouth from an occasional outside bodybuilder. We heard that Doug Beaver was taking 80mg of d-bol a day. If that was so, we were barely taking d-bol at all! Ha!
Possible, he died at 73 from heart failure. He was a massive guy (250+lbs if I recall correctly).
I believe methandriol is still produced in Australia, though availability is scarce due to lack of demand/stringent controls.
What about primobolan enanthate? Did that come around from Europe?
Wish people still took a cautious approach to AAS. Nowdays 1 gram +/wk appears to be the norm.
We heard the top bodybuilders preferred the acetate for contest prep. We later heard it was primarily a protein sparring steroid and didn’t build much muscle. We knew there was an enanthate, but I don’t know of anyone who took any.
I have Test-E at 250mg/ml assuming that each CC or ML is 1ml=250. Did my first shot yesterday felt fine, lifts were decent but today… I’ve felt bloated and somewhat like shit all day… is that bad ? Or normal? I know everyone experiences different side effects
Not to answer for iron, but I figured I’d give you my experience. Anytime I go up or down in test I have all kinds of weird symptoms. After a few weeks I stabilize and it all evens out. I usually will sweat more and be oilier and maybe some extra anxiety.
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