Damn Christians are at it Again...

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]ZEB wrote:
Zeb’s first rule of success: Do what works! What has worked is prayer in school. We had it for over 200 years. What does not seem to be working is having no prayer in school. Would you like to compare grades, behavior, and a list of other important values before prayer was taken out to today? No, no you woldn’t who would? And by the way most of the major (historical) colleges were all founded by Christians and they taught divinity as just another mandatory course. So they were indeed taught religion.[/quote]

Here’s the thing: it’s my job as a parent to raise my kids, not the government’s. And my kid is doing just fine.

For the record, I went to a Jesuit college myself. Georgetown University. Pretty good school, or so I’m told. Any other questions?

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[quote]MikeTheBear wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Reread my above post, I don’t have much to add to that. Other than to say, (once again) teachers are by nature liberal, they are PC and will be pushing an agenda. And tha’t NOT what teachers are being paid to do. And as has been mentioned by others they are not trained to even go there. But funny how we mentioned God in school and even prayed in school for 200 years and it didn’t harm a thing. This is off topic so I won’t go into the number of school shootings, and general violence since prayer has been removed.[/quote]

So following this logic, most teachers are not trained theologians - they are not trained in religious studies and it’s not what they are paid to do. So, no mention of anything religious or God-related. Focus more on improving math and science.

Agreed?
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I am thinking that a lot of this stuff people are complaining about are symptoms and not actual causes. I maybe wrong though, I haven’t studied much on it, but what I have seems to indicate this.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
[center]"[u]Congress[/u][/center] shall make no law…"[/quote]

That’s cool, center the whole sentence.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]MikeTheBear wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Reread my above post, I don’t have much to add to that. Other than to say, (once again) teachers are by nature liberal, they are PC and will be pushing an agenda. And tha’t NOT what teachers are being paid to do. And as has been mentioned by others they are not trained to even go there. But funny how we mentioned God in school and even prayed in school for 200 years and it didn’t harm a thing. This is off topic so I won’t go into the number of school shootings, and general violence since prayer has been removed.[/quote]

So following this logic, most teachers are not trained theologians - they are not trained in religious studies and it’s not what they are paid to do. So, no mention of anything religious or God-related. Focus more on improving math and science.

Agreed?
[/quote]

I am thinking that a lot of this stuff people are complaining about are symptoms and not actual causes. I maybe wrong though, I haven’t studied much on it, but what I have seems to indicate this.[/quote]

Agreed.

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[quote]kaaleppi wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
[center]"[u]Congress[/u][/center] shall make no law…"[/quote]

That’s cool, center the whole sentence. [/quote]

And while you’re at it, ignore about 200 years of legal precedent that has never been overturned or legislated out by Congress. Yes, Congress CAN overturn court decisions by legislation.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

Or a teacher getting in trouble for a religious oriented shirt. (gay pride or something would be tolerated)[/quote]

lol

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]kaaleppi wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
[center]"[u]Congress[/u][/center] shall make no law…"[/quote]

[center]That’s cool, center the whole sentence. [/quote][/center]

OK
[/quote]

Thanks, that’s much better.

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[quote]MikeTheBear wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]MikeTheBear wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Reread my above post, I don’t have much to add to that. Other than to say, (once again) teachers are by nature liberal, they are PC and will be pushing an agenda. And tha’t NOT what teachers are being paid to do. And as has been mentioned by others they are not trained to even go there. But funny how we mentioned God in school and even prayed in school for 200 years and it didn’t harm a thing. This is off topic so I won’t go into the number of school shootings, and general violence since prayer has been removed.[/quote]

So following this logic, most teachers are not trained theologians - they are not trained in religious studies and it’s not what they are paid to do. So, no mention of anything religious or God-related. Focus more on improving math and science.

Agreed?
[/quote]

I am thinking that a lot of this stuff people are complaining about are symptoms and not actual causes. I maybe wrong though, I haven’t studied much on it, but what I have seems to indicate this.[/quote]

Agreed.
[/quote]

Wait you agree that the removing of prayer is the symptom of the moral degrading of society and as well, increased violence in schools shows how even further degraded our moral standards are as a country?

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[quote]MikeTheBear wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
I’d like to go back to the days where you could send Christian material home. We had a safer, and in many ways better society then. I don’t want to be fair to the Wiccan’s, or any other fringe group that feels left out.

This is a Judeo/Christian society not a Wiccan society, thank God. And moreover what we’ve done actually works. It is now being dismantled piece by piece through various pc groups who want to please every one. We’ve come way, way too far honoring literally micro percentages of society at the cost of the entire society.

You’re a reasonable guy and I know you know exactly what I’m talking about.

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Read my post about being careful what you wish for. As I’ve said, Christians can’t even agree and the tenets of Christianity. But let’s play let’s pretend. We now have a law that says anything Christian related can be sent home to kids but no other religion allowed. Great. I am a former biology teacher who has become the principle of a school. I happen to be Catholic which, last I checked, was a Christian denomination. I decide to send home material saying that Pope John Paul II endorsed evolution. This is true. He is also now a saint, or in the process of becoming one. So, we have a saint who endorsed evolution. Certain fundamentalists in my district who believe in creation are infuriated by this. But they can’t do a damn thing about it because my material does not endorse any religion other than Christianity. Good result?[/quote]

You make a valid point. I’m not saying any sort of material can be sent willy nilly. Of course there needs to be guidelines. Maybe one of the major guidelines would be to be more centrist.

I don’t feel that the fringe has helped anyone. They’ve taken a lot away however. Case in point, manger scenes being taken down by local City Hall because a group that worships green bottles doesn’t have equal representation. There are other such examples. We’ve gone too far trying to please these fringe groups at the cost of displeasing 99% of the rest of the people.

[quote]And last I checked, no goverment police force has forcible kept any Christian group from entering a house of worship because a Wiccan group wanted it to be so. Christianity is the dominant religion and enjoys many benefits. Spare me the persecution complex.
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I’m not saying that it has come to the point where police officers prevent people from attending services. Obviously, that’s not the case, yet. But when I see various rights being taken away from Christian groups. And militant atheists who are now being featured on prime time TV, it’s not very heart warming. It begs the question where are we going from here? Certainly not in the right direction.

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[quote]MikeTheBear wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Zeb’s first rule of success: Do what works! What has worked is prayer in school. We had it for over 200 years. What does not seem to be working is having no prayer in school. Would you like to compare grades, behavior, and a list of other important values before prayer was taken out to today? No, no you woldn’t who would? And by the way most of the major (historical) colleges were all founded by Christians and they taught divinity as just another mandatory course. So they were indeed taught religion.[/quote]

Here’s the thing: it’s my job as a parent to raise my kids, not the government’s. And my kid is doing just fine.

For the record, I went to a Jesuit college myself. Georgetown University. Pretty good school, or so I’m told. Any other questions?[/quote]

Questions? Um, I don’t think I had any to begin with. Glad you went to a good school. And good luck raising your child, it isn’t easy in a culture that pulls them in the exact opposite direction than where they need to be. That’s one reason you should be on my side regarding religion. Whether you believe in God or not, it is one more very large and positive influence on your child. As you know our current culture is rife with absolute disrespect for marriage, and family values. The kind that you and I grew up with and that shaped us into the adults that we’ve become. Cause that church to have less of an influence and something will fill that void. Do you want to roll the dice on that scale? I don’t because to a degree we’ve already rolled the dice and lost.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

Or a teacher getting in trouble for a religious oriented shirt. (gay pride or something would be tolerated)[/quote]

lol[/quote]

But true…so true.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

Nope, no mention or acknowledgement of anything gay in public schools, that’s not what they are there for.

What else do you want to talk about?[/quote]

How can you possibly not see that this line of reasoning applies perfectly to religion as well as to homosexuality.

“Nope, no mention of anything CHRISTIAN in public schools, that’s not what they are there for.”

How can that be lost on you?

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
I wonder if the ACLU would be upset if the school board wanted to teach children all about homosexuality? Ah, we all know the answer to that don’t we?[/quote]

Would it not be fair to say that if one ‘lifestyle choice’ (as people often depict homosexuality) is to be kept entirely out of the classroom, so should others (religion, etc.)?[/quote]

Matters if it is moral or not.[/quote]

That is quite obviously subjective. Fantastically subjective.

In my opinion, for example, it is far more moral to have sex with someone you love (even if they are of the same gender as you) than it is to lie to children about the origin of their species.

You disagree with me. Which why it is subjective.