Cycle for Muay Thai

Pharma
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OP, since you are 4 weeks in already just finish the cycle you planned and learn from your mistakes on the next one. For the next cycle I would go with 350-400mgs of test minimum and EQ, which will increase you RBC’s and your endurance. NPP can make you short of breath so I wouldnt advise. I would do .25 EOD of adex.

I know that you think there is a difference in a cycle for MMA and for bodybuilding. But VTBalla is correct, in order to get anything out of your cycle you need more test and that is whether you are MMA fighting, body building, or water polo. You need a minimum dose for results period. When you have a headache you dont take half an ibuprofin, most people take 2-4 pills.

Why dont they take half a pill? Because half a pill probably wont get rid of your headache and 175mg’s of test EW probably wont get you the results you are looking for either.

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[quote]TonyRuggiero wrote:

…you should probably get your facts straight before you come on so strong-High end test production for a young male is around 7mg a day which comes to 49 mg a week,

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LOL I can point you to literally hundreds of case threads with young men on TRT taking between 100-200 mg/week of testosterone with bloodwork showing that they are within the ranges established by the blood testing companies.

Now why do you think that is Antonio? Could it possibly be because 100-200 mg/week approximates what the body makes naturally?

You don’t sound very smart and rely more on emotion than logic, as evidenced by your long winded diatribe, but I will point out that it is not just a simple perfect machine where what you put in is what you get out. Injected testosterone is stored in a depot and is not released as cleanly as you imagine it to be at “5-7 mg/day”.

Moving on:

Wrong…nope…thanks for playing.

You are conveniently ignoring things like the ester weight of the test (approximately 25%). I say “conveniently ignoring” but you sound pretty uneducated, so I doubt you are ignoring it and are just simply ignorant to the fact that for every 100 mg of test prop you inject, you are only getting 75 mg of actual test.

If you went down to the market to buy a bag of apples, and the guy filled the bottom third of the bag with dirt and the top of the bag with apples, would you go ask for your money back?

Are you still with me? I hope I haven’t lost you.

A good question though is why do you spend so much time googling this? LOL

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Also, bear in mind that 7 mg is on the high end and I’d venture that most guys in their early 30’s are probably at around 2/3rds of that if they are lucky. [/quote]

Made up facts are the best facts!!!

Don’t worry, I’ve made guys 10 times smarter than you look silly before too.

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[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:

[quote]TonyRuggiero wrote:

…you should probably get your facts straight before you come on so strong-High end test production for a young male is around 7mg a day which comes to 49 mg a week,

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LOL I can point you to literally hundreds of case threads with young men on TRT taking between 100-200 mg/week of testosterone with bloodwork showing that they are within the ranges established by the blood testing companies.

Now why do you think that is Antonio? Could it possibly be because 100-200 mg/week approximates what the body makes naturally?

You don’t sound very smart and rely more on emotion than logic, as evidenced by your long winded diatribe, but I will point out that it is not just a simple perfect machine where what you put in is what you get out. Injected testosterone is stored in a depot and is not released as cleanly as you imagine it to be at “5-7 mg/day”.

Moving on:

Wrong…nope…thanks for playing.

You are conveniently ignoring things like the ester weight of the test (approximately 25%). I say “conveniently ignoring” but you sound pretty uneducated, so I doubt you are ignoring it and are just simply ignorant to the fact that for every 100 mg of test prop you inject, you are only getting 75 mg of actual test.

If you went down to the market to buy a bag of apples, and the guy filled the bottom third of the bag with dirt and the top of the bag with apples, would you go ask for your money back?

Are you still with me? I hope I haven’t lost you.

A good question though is why do you spend so much time googling this? LOL

[quote]

Also, bear in mind that 7 mg is on the high end and I’d venture that most guys in their early 30’s are probably at around 2/3rds of that if they are lucky. [/quote]

Made up facts are the best facts!!!

Don’t worry, I’ve made guys 10 times smarter than you look silly before too.[/quote]

I waiting for that haha good shit balla

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[quote]rds63799 wrote:
glad you could get that off your chest[/quote]
there has been lot of that on the steroid forum lately…im considering making a “let it all out thread” where you can be as much of an asshole or as emotional as you want but you only get one post

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it’s weird eh? Imagine researching something on the internet, coming across an old, long dead thread and reading it pisses you off so much you think “You know what? I’m going to make an account and post a really long and emotional response. I don’t care if they flame me, I simply CANNOT let this slide!”

people are weird

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Or they just want to give legit/own experience information about steroidcycling for more endurance based athletes, instead of shouting noninformative rants like “go ruin your HPTA with that lowdose u moron!”. :wink:

And for those interested; for grappling and MMA I’ve found my personal sweet spot to be ~200 mg testprop / week for few weeks before competition. Nonexistent bloat and minimum weightgain, no effect on cardio, and I can train twice a day hard with good recovery and no fear of collapsing test levels (compared to going natural). Plus because I keep my cycles pretty short, just 4-8 weeks prefight, my natural test recovers very fast compared to a few longer cycles i’ve experienced.

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LOL well let’s just hope the guy that started this thread five months ago happens to stop by…

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To VTFakeAssBalla-Wow you really took me to school there sweetpea. I admit in my haste and disgust I forgot to account for the weight of the ester which for prop is pretty insignificant-83 out of 100 mg are actual mgs of Test not the 75 you say but for simplicity’s sake I’ll call it an even 80. That would make that 175 mg dose of test prop give you approximately 140 mg of actual testosterone. This would still be almost 3 times what high end test production would be.

If you want to dispute that it’s around 7mg a day for top end production I’m open to new information but that’s the number I’ve found most often. As far as what a guy’s levels test at after a 100 or 200 mg administration of test it’s not a simple 1:1. It’s not like every guy that injects 100 mg of Test will come back with levels at 700 ng/dl. Some will be higher while others lower based on how much they convert to E and and probably a handful of other metabolic factors neither you or I are aware of.

I get it-200 mg of cyp or enth is a very common TRT dosage but calling it TRT at that dosage is basically just a semantic distinction to make steroid usage more palatable in a political and social climate where AAS usage is vilified. At 200 mg-Let’s call it what it is-Enhancement. But for argument’s sake I’ll even let you call my 175 mg of prop a “replacement dosage”(for a prehistoric caveman who lived off the raw meat he murdered with his bare hands maybe) but ok it’s a replacement dosage.

The OP was planning on using 2 other compounds in his cycle and I personally wouldn’t shut myself down for less than 500-700 mg total of gear. When did testosterone become the only compound available that has any performance benefits? At higher dosages it has some pretty nasty side effects. Why would I subject myself to these when I can run a low dose, get almost all the benefits of a full blast without any of the drawbacks, and then add in another compound that is practically as effective as test on a mg for mg basis but doesn’t give me the shitty sides that a high dose of test would.

We can theorize all we want about this shit but it always comes down to real world application and I’m telling you that for me and most of the guys I train with anything over 250 mg brings on side effects that are unacceptable to mixed martial artists-and the ancillaries that people throw in to fight these have their own potential drawbacks. I don’t really understand how or why this cult started that pushes for high dose test cyles for every application-I promise you using high doses of testosterone won’t make you any more of a man-you’re still a fakeassballa-LOL.

But hey, I won’t come into your world which I assume is powerlifting (based on your little avatar) and tell you it’s not ok to slam a gram of test weekly because I don’t do that and I don’t know what works best in that situation. Your entire competition consists of a maximum of 9 reps plus a few warm-ups in the dressing room so maybe carrying 15 pounds of water weight is no big deal. The bottom line is that you gave the OP bad advice based on your ignorance of his specific needs, and not only that you did it like an arrogant little prick and for whatever reason that set me off.

You want to pass yourself off as some authority on AAS usage when this whole thing about only using 175 mg of test is a waste because you’re essentially shutting off your HPTA to put in a replacement dosage is you parroting some shit Bill Roberts wrote over on his site. Does that make you smart because you can repeat some shit that someone else said? Smart people figure out things for themselves based on experience not by pawning off someone else’s info and applying it to a situation to which they’re unfamiliar.

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To Buds and rds- Is VTFakeAssBalla your pimp little hoes? Have some respect for yourselves and don’t be lackeys in the kiss ass choir.

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Good night kiddies. I’m kind of angry with myself that I wasted my time with this so I won’t be posting here or anywhere else again. Shh-Shh-It’s ok. Don’t cry yourselves to sleep for me. It’ll be ok. You’ll figure out things for yourselves one day and chumps like balla won’t have an audience.

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Even with possibility of him not seeing this (which I doubt is the case if he’s a costant lurker like me), theres also the chance of someone else reading this and finding it interesting. Always a chance that theres someone who might appreciate a polite answer/opinion. :slight_smile:

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LOL what is going on here?

bye Tony, you will be missed.

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Tony’s gone. It’s a sad day for T Nation, lets all take a moment.

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[quote]BUDs wrote:
Tony’s gone. It’s a sad day for T Nation, lets all take a moment.[/quote]

get back to work! Don’t want our pimp Balla coming round and putting the smackdown on us

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LOLL!

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…and any non-childish views / opinions about the other points Tony mentioned in his post? :smiley:

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All hoes shall be smacked in this thread lol

I have no idea why this guy can’t connect two easy, closely related dots.

200 mg is a “caveman dose” lol. Then why does 200 mg/week NOT take men out of the physiolocal ranges established by the lab testing companies? LOL. These ranges are not some relic we have dug up from pre-historic achaeoloical sites based on neanderthal blood LOL.

He is obviously ignorant to the fact that those ranges are based on statistical distribution (oh no scary math) of people who have had their blood tested (in recent modern history of homo-sapiens). The upper ranges on most labs is on the order of 1100 ng/dL, with lower end being around 300 ng/dL. This means that, statistically 95% of all men will fall within that range.

So why is it so hard to comprehend that, if this range encompasses 95% of men, and that men taking 200 mg/week are NOT outside of this range, that 200 mg/week is on the order of equivalent replacement dose?

[quote]TonyRuggiero wrote:
Smart people figure out things for themselves based on experience [/quote]

Awe then he puts the cherry and icing on top of the cake with this little jewel. The very DEFINITION of “bro science” LOL

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[quote]TonyRuggiero wrote:
83 out of 100 mg are actual mgs of Test not the 75 you say [/quote]

anabolicsteroids-hormoneknowledge- bigmuscles-drugs.com/testosterone_esters.html

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[quote]TonyRuggiero wrote:
It’s not like every guy that injects 100 mg of Test will come back with levels at 700 ng/dl. Some will be higher while others lower based on how much they convert to E and and probably a handful of other metabolic factors neither you or I are aware of.

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Not that I need to keep tearing your “argument” to shreds, but I forgot I had this link saved up from an actual, you know, STUDY:

http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/281/6/E1172/T2.expansion.html

So yeah, of course some guy “that injects 100 mg of Test may come back with levels at 700 ng/dL” LOL…but on AVERAGE, they DONT…this is NOT an EXPECTED RESPONSE (I typed all that extra slowly just so you can follow).

Boy you are really goddamned stupid.

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You are a GREAT…a HUGE idiot.