Creationism vs Evolution

Oh dear push.

Firstly, you didn’t cite me any specific scientific articles.

What you did was cite me an article stating that creationists published articles that didn’t have creationist conclusions, and that creationist conclusions were rejected from papers. So far, so standard, I have said that creationism is not science haven’t I? Fair enough this article did cite other articles, but none of these actually support creationism, despite the authors’ claims.

This is yet another common creationist canard; making it seem like there is some “evilutionist” conspiracy keeping creationism out of papers. The fact is, that creationism is not scientific because it starts from an unfalsifiable proposition; creationists themselves admit this, which is why they have started producing their own pseudo scientific “peer reviewed” papers, but with a stipulation; “Papers can be in any scientific, or social scientific, field, but must be from a young-earth perspective and aim to assist the development of the creation model of origins.” And the three or more people who reviewer each paper are advised that each paper must “provide evidence of faithfulness to the grammatico-historical/normative interpretation of scripture.”
(http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9715114-7.html)

How on earth can you conduct rigorous science when your standpoint is blindly that the Bible is true? This ridiculous charade needs to stop, you are involved in an incredibly deep form of double-think and I can’t imagine how difficult that must be.

It has been shown by neuroscientists that suspension of disbelief is a far easier state for the mind to be in, so at least you have a scientific reason for it (discovered with help from, you guessed it, evolution, which I guess means you don’t believe it).

Again, please, any evidence you have for creationism greatly appreciated by the world. Even something as elegant simple and clear as human chromosome no. 2 would suffice.

[quote]pushharder wrote:

By your own admittance there were those on the list I provided that are not of those whom you implicitly condemn. [/quote]

Well, there are quite a few names that didn’t make your list, but who were listed on other lists. I simply found a common denominator (Cedarville), which is certainly not THE common denominator.

Oh, I have been, Push. I read a paper by Harold Coffin just this afternoon, on the origin of coal. Fascinating.

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Schlenkatank wrote:
…Vestigial structures…The appendix is also an organ that has no use to the human body…

Shlenk, your trainer needs to throw in the towel. You simply do not belong in the ring, buddy. You just aint got it. And I do not say that in an angry tone. I feel sorry for you.

http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/immune/immune1.htm

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Sir, your maturity level is absolutely pathetic. I’m 19 and Ive got a bigger set of nads than you do! Honestly, this is exactly what I was talking about but you refused to acknowledge it, your scared and afraid.

THE APPENDIX HAS NO DOCUMENTED BENIFIT TO HUMANS! YOU ARE AN IGNORANT PIG IF YOU TRY TO RATIONALIZE IT ANY OTHER WAY.

Much like Wisdom teeth, the appendix causes problems to humans and causes zero negative effects when removed this is a documented fact.

Also, you can find an article supporting any fact on the internet, including that whites are a dominant race, george bush can speak with god, and aparently the appendix is necessary.

For the record, I believe you also said I didn’t belong in the ring during an economic discussion. Since then my points have proven valid so I’m the one with more credit here. Sad that a kid

Just curious push me harder, what is your occupation and education?

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
pushharder wrote:

By your own admittance there were those on the list I provided that are not of those whom you implicitly condemn.

Well, there are quite a few names that didn’t make your list, but who were listed on other lists. I simply found a common denominator (Cedarville), which is certainly not THE common denominator.

I was not aware of this “denominator” to be honest. In your mind are all these people somehow discredited because of their association with Cedarville? Their intellects are tainted? They are goofy fucks because they have a faith in God that you do not share?

Go check some of them out if you are so earnest in your quest.

Oh, I have been, Push. I read a paper by Harold Coffin just this afternoon, on the origin of coal. Fascinating.

Some of the strongest evidences for creation, indirectly maybe, is the Flood. The theories that surround that topic are indeed fascinating. Many of them are very plausible. Make a whole lot of sense. Grounded in scientific principles.[/quote]

The earth being covered in water has been shown to be physically and chemically unlikely. For one thing, the air would become so humid that one would drown to death trying to breath.

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Schlenkatank wrote:
pushharder wrote:
Schlenkatank wrote:
…Vestigial structures…The appendix is also an organ that has no use to the human body…

Shlenk, your trainer needs to throw in the towel. You simply do not belong in the ring, buddy. You just aint got it. And I do not say that in an angry tone. I feel sorry for you.

http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/immune/immune1.htm

…I’m 19…

This explains your post. You are a 19 year old punk. Nothing more. [/quote]

No, I happen to be a verifiable genius and your ignoring me. I’m inundated with indignation.

…some 12000 years ago, the last ice age ended. Vast areas of thick sheets of ice melted and caused water levels to rise. At that time, the mediterreanean basin overflowed and this caused a massive flood in an area we now call the Black Sea. For anyone living there, who’s perception of the world was limited, this must have been desasterous. It must have been as if the whole world was covered in water…

…at the same time agriculture was invented. This meant that people could stay in one place, and cities could form. This also required stricter rules of society, and a clearer separation between tribes through a sense of identity. One way of distinguishing between peoples was, and is, religion…

…so, to establish an identity through religion, you try to justify your presence by divine intervention. “This land is ours because it has been given to us by God”. Certain natural disasters were embellished, and the struggles against oppression used to instill a sense of pride…

…but you have to remember; these people were bronze age goat herders who had no concept of the universe other than what they imagined. At that time in China, astronomy and math was invented, and gunpowder was quick to follow…

…ffw to the 21st century, and people still place their faith in bronze age myths inspite of the obvious and irrefutable evidence that geology, archeology, biology and anthropology brought forth that proves the age of our planet. Proof that shows our lineage, our ancestry within nature itself as a part of the endless cycle of life and death…

…religion may offer an alternative to this cycle, but it has nothing to do with reality…

Wow, I just read an article that Pushmeharder posted that actually said the appendix was a vestigial structure. Pushme, you are crazy, I’m going to stop posting because i’m arguing with an idiot.

Maybe you should read the articles you cite next time;)

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Schlenkatank wrote:
pushharder wrote:
Schlenkatank wrote:
pushharder wrote:
Schlenkatank wrote:
…Vestigial structures…The appendix is also an organ that has no use to the human body…

Shlenk, your trainer needs to throw in the towel. You simply do not belong in the ring, buddy. You just aint got it. And I do not say that in an angry tone. I feel sorry for you.

http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/immune/immune1.htm

…I’m 19…

This explains your post. You are a 19 year old punk. Nothing more.

No, I happen to be a verifiable genius and your ignoring me. I’m inundated with indignation.

Genius’ don’t use “your” when they intend “you’re”. 19 year old punks, however, are prone to do so.
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Im sorry for the spelling, it’s always been a problem of mine. I have nothing to prove to you about my intelligence seeing as how i’m apparently arguing with a retarded pirate.

heres a poem right off the top of my head, it’s entitled “The Missing Link”

“pushme oh pushme”,
a man once said,
"why oh why is it that you’re sick in the head?
You’re name should imply
that you’re one stand out guy,
but your plainly a fat bloated pirate instead.
You have a plethora of facts
which you use to confuse
designate, order, and misuse,
but the truth still remains
as we all can think,
evolution is real, you’re the missing link!

har har har!!! Shiver me Timbers that was a good one! Yar, you also missed me joke about being “inundated with indignation” about you’re flood comment, har har har!

Sky

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Schlenkatank wrote:
Wow, I just read an article that Pushmeharder posted that actually said the appendix was a vestigial structure. Pushme, you are crazy, I’m going to stop posting because i’m arguing with an idiot.

Maybe you should read the articles you cite next time;)

What you apparently missed in your reading is that, far from being a useless organ, the appendix plays a significant role in the human body’s immune function. You, apparently, are a 19 year old with a reading disorder.[/quote]

read your wiki post matey, methinks you need a bit of swabbin the deck.

Perhaps youve had a bit too much rum sailor, the section of the article called Vestigiality clearly outlines that as a hypothesis not a fact. yar har.

[quote]pushharder wrote:
ephrem wrote:
pushharder wrote:Some of the strongest evidences for creation, indirectly maybe, is the Flood. The theories that surround that topic are indeed fascinating. Many of them are very plausible. Make a whole lot of sense. Grounded in scientific principles.

…some 12000 years ago, the last ice age ended. Vast areas of thick sheets of ice melted and caused water levels to rise. At that time, the mediterreanean basin overflowed and this caused a massive flood in an area we now call the Black Sea. For anyone living there, who’s perception of the world was limited, this must have been desasterous. It must have been as if the whole world was covered in water…

…at the same time agriculture was invented. This meant that people could stay in one place, and cities could form. This also required stricter rules of society, and a clearer separation between tribes through a sense of identity. One way of distinguishing between peoples was, and is, religion…

…so, to establish an identity through religion, you try to justify your presence by divine intervention. “This land is ours because it has been given to us by God”. Certain natural disasters were embellished, and the struggles against oppression used to instill a sense of pride…

…but you have to remember; these people were bronze age goat herders who had no concept of the universe other than what they imagined. At that time in China, astronomy and math was invented, and gunpowder was quick to follow…

…ffw to the 21st century, and people still place their faith in bronze age myths inspite of the obvious and irrefutable evidence that geology, archeology, biology and anthropology brought forth that proves the age of our planet. Proof that shows our lineage, our ancestry within nature itself as a part of the endless cycle of life and death…

…religion may offer an alternative to this cycle, but it has nothing to do with reality…

Hey, Eph, where you been? It hasn’t been the same around here without you? Still deadlifting heavy?[/quote]

ho ho, when did they allow lifting weights on the seven seas? I’ll give you forty lashes for that you scurvy dog.

Also I’ll reiterate that the appendix is documented in the theory of vestigiality, MEANING IT HAS NO PROVEN benifit to HUMAN HEALTH AND CAUSES HEALTH PROBLEMS. It’s funny because it said it right in the article you posted. HARHARHARHARHARHAR!