Covid in Australia

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Because the punishment is harsh?

And when I talk about those countries should the context arise, then I would address those issues. China is important because they are subverting our security by threatening to take Taiwan and the tension is mounting. And it is also significant because it’s likely they made covid human transmittable and released it on the world, a serious offense. Maybe life in China is perfectly charmed, but the state is nefarious, is seeking to displace the U.S. as the main economic power and is winning. So I am going to be hard on the ol’ CCP regardless of how wonderful people have it there currently. And I am going to be very hard on the U.S. for it’s role in this dystopia. When Myanmar becomes a bigger threat then I will give it more attention.

The video showed people in uniform shutting people in and welding the door. I don’t know how many people that happened to, but it doesn’t seem that it was one-off.

And those churches are not controlled by the CCP? The “Arch Bishop” of China is some CCP schlep making sure the word of God does not violate the CCP’s orders and is not recognized as a member of the Catholic Church at all. I’d be willing to bet ‘church’ is a bit of a loose term, meaning ‘we’ll tolerate your silly superstition so long as it does not ruffle our feathers’ kind of deal. CCP first, God, second.

Sure. The majority of Asia isn’t a threat and doesn’t do weird creepy things like deliberately try to make a virus worse because ‘Hey, Science!’ and then ‘oops, let one slip! Let’s cover it up by telling people we eat bats.’ You know somebody fucked up big time if they are willing to let any off-putting propaganda out, rather than admit they are a little careless in the lab.
Nevertheless, China is a threat, the biggest threat to 'merica. The rest of Asia may be fucked up too, but they aren’t fucking up my life, China is.

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Punishment is harsh everywhere. This is Asia. The difference is whether the authorities want to enforce the law. My point was that no one would bother to enforce it.

I don’t care about China. I responded that way because you seem to think China is some outlier on this side of the globe when it comes to laws and human rights.

They won’t invade Taiwan. Let’s not debate this part. I know what they’re doing because they’ve been doing the same shit for the last 15 years.

You should have just said this from the start instead of daring me to smoke a joint in public there lol. I’d never defend the CCP.

And, as I’ve said many times, every time the West gets this shit wrong, the CCP never fails to use it as an “example” of how they’re the VICTIMS of a coordinated campaign against them. You want the CCP to change, you need to change the minds of China’s citizens.

And there were videos with people not in uniform. And as I said, over a hundred officials were sacked in Wuhan for the way they handled the pandemic.

This. Is. Asia. It is nothing new.

Look, it’s not like MY LIFE hasn’t been affected by the bloody virus. If you want to rant about the CCP, I’d be more than happy to join you.

But the problem is that their soft tactics here are WORKING HERE. They fuck with you passive aggressively, then start whining that the US was the aggressor. Trump always ALWAYS took the bait.

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Dude. Comon’

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Again, don’t believe everything you read. I’ve spent 2 weeks in Taiwan during my military days. The ONLY REASON the Taiwanese military exists is because of China. ALL their intel, tactics, bases, defence systems set up in strategic locations are for CHINA. They’ve planned for this every since Taiwan declared itself a country.

China doesn’t have the balls to invade them. And why would they do that when they can continue talking shit with no repercussions? I don’t see any incentives.

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Here’s why they won’t:

  1. Bad PR. Both internationally and internally. The reason why I brought up the way people live in China is because we all aren’t really very different as human beings. Chinese people in China regard Taiwanese as their “brothers and sisters”. You don’t KILL your brothers and sisters if there’s a squabble. Why do you think China NEVER ever deployed troops in HK at any time during the protests? They wanted to play the victim by claiming “Western interference” and pass the buck to the HK authorities. All they did wa deploy their troops to Shenzhen, the province right at HK border to flex using the excuse that they were already planning to conduct military exercises there. They’re like those fuckers in the gym that spend 80% of their time looking in the mirror and flexing lmao.

And HK HAS NO MILITARY. They could EASILY have just gone and taken over the island since it fucking BELONGS TO THEM lol. There’s no gray area like Taiwan. HK is officially recognized as part of China. That would have been EASY. Like stepping on ants kind of easy.

The only thing they would be flouting would be the part in the Handover Agreement which grants HK full autonomy until 2047. They already broke it when they interfered with their legislation last year.

  1. China will win in the long run. But there would be a major bloodbath on both sides, with China suffering way more casualties at the start because Taiwan has set it up so they would need to take a specific route there and this has been heavily fortified too. Their own citizens will both lose respect for them and wold probably find China’s death toll so appalling at the start the invasion would probably cease before it escalates even further,

This is also why I brought up how the average China person lives. They CAN’T BE BOTHERED about this political shit. But if their kids start dying when they’re attacking a country which isn’t the US and whose citizens they regard as their “brothers and sisters”, shit will get real internally. If they were all fucked up like North Korea, things would be different. The CCP knows this will happen. They will not risk it.

The objective is “reunification”, not “subjugation”. Currently they’re strengthening economic ties with Taiwan. Sooner or later, Taiwan will end up dependant on them economically.

  1. How much real combat experience does China have? ALL the current top brass in their military got there because of bribery and nepotism. They couldn’t even win a small skirmish with India and had to cover up the number of deaths. An invasion of Taiwan would be a bigass international event. There’s no way they can cover any part of this up.

  2. China’s strategy in the last 20 years has always consisted of soft tactics and gaslighting so they have the opportunity to flex and show off their military might to both their citizens and the rest of the world. Don’t take the fucking bait. The only real thing they have in common with “The Left” (as defined by “The Right”) in the US is their tactics always involve creating an opportunity play the victim card.

They’ve spent the last 2 decades cultivating economic ties with various countries and setting major corporate branches in almost every part of Asia. Even in the West, countries like Germany have contracted them for their nationwide 5g shit (fools lol!!!). They tried vaccine diplomacy by giving a shitload of them to 3rd World countries in Asia and either charged them low fees or none at all for the right of these countries to manufacturer them, calling it an “international public good” as opposed to the evil Capitalists and their Big Pharma whom are profiteering off a worldwide pandemic. The only problem is their vaccines suck.

An invasion of Taiwan would end all this good will and a significant number of economic ties. The CCP is not stupid, dude. Their top minds don’t join the private sector. They join the government. The government has stakes in all private corporations and prop them up. They place their own people at the top. Why do you think it became a nationalist issue when Huawei got shit from the West? An attack on Huawei became an attack on China internally and in multiple parts in Asia. This is REAL 4D chess you’re witnessing playing out in real time.

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Holy shit, @unreal24278 was not kidding about police. This popped up in my feed - blatant police brutality

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Lol… I’ve asked a few people in Aus about this… including my brother’s friend group who I now associate with because they’re nice people.

They think I’m insane for stating “the protesters aren’t the bad guys here”. I’ve watered down my ideology when conveying my beliefs to them. I tell them there is no bad side here… But no, I’m on the side of the violent goons out there.

If I tell them “I’m all for it… There needs to be change!” They’ll almost certainly drop me as a friend. Thinking differently from the “we need to stay locked down and locked out. Protestors are domestic terrorists” perspective equates to instantaneous dog piling and social alienation.

The problem is, it appears there is little middle ground. You’re either in the group that thinks leaving the home is dangerous, so dangerous in fact that you can justify macing old woman.

Another video surfaced the other day of the police throwing a 70+ y/o woman to the ground. She hits her head on the concrete… We’ve spoken about it on here. Instead of helping her up, they use pepper spray on her.

The other group are the people who think vaccines are some grand government conspiracy to implant tracking devices within people… Or something equally farcical.

What about me? I support protests… I’m anti lockdown… but I’m not anti vax…

As to the old woman… As to this video “we need to see the context”.

Feel free to disagree with me. But in WHAT world is there context to justify walking up to this guy and slam him on the pavement

Even if he was a child molester on the loose… That’s police brutality. Police aren’t meant to act as vigilante judge, jury and executioner. But here they’re above the law

Hell, they’ve BANNED people from taking aerial footage of protests now. Infringing on free press… Presumably so protestors can’t fly drones… But I’m fairly sure it’s illegal too fly drones here in most municipalities

I don’t think rioting is the way to go about this… But these people aren’t rioting. The police show up with bravado, start arresting people. Those who have been locked out for 228 days and counting (work record) get pissed off and scuffles ensue… The police start the violence half the time too

“It’s not okay for these guys to attack police cars! One kicked a dog!!! The cunt… Put him down!”

But it’s okay for the police to fuck up whoever they want with baton rounds, excessive force, capsicum rounds and paintball guns? And you can’t fight back… If caught and you’ve fought back you’re getting put away for a long time.

What about the dogs in an impound in NSW who were shot dead because several people were coming to pick them up for adoption. Too much of a covid risk… But the guy who kicked a dog… That’s the real asshole here…

I’m not on board with how these protestors are harrassing civillians otherwise normally going about their day. There does appear to be an element of utter degeneracy fuelled by frustration here.

There was even a funny video posted of two protestors under a bridge snorting coke before going out to protest… I don’t particularly care about drug use depending on the contest thus I’m not morally outraged… But seriously?

Media narratives already paint the police as heroes here. I read the newspapers almost every day at work… It’s sickening how these protestors are actually labelled as lawless scum, terrorists etc.

One article was even talking about how the police need to use MORE force, the gadgets they use can’t kill the protestors…

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To be fair… This went down in the US too when protestors were being apprehended and sent away in unmarked vans by God knows what faction of federal agents

I don’t think it’s a counter terrorist unit. If the video is real… Probably special forces/millitary

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I couldn’t make out any identifying insignia, or rank for police or military. Military legally . have no power over civilians in Australia. There would need to be some form of public announcement and declaration of martial law, that would need to abide by the Constitution, before the military could be called out by the federal govt.

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Was stage 4 + curfew not indicative of martial law?

Aus has no charter of human rights. They can do whatever they want… Esp with the appealed biosecurity act

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Martial law is different, and it needs to be enacted by fed, not state govt, and there would need to be some very serious justification.
Victoria has its own charter of human rights. I believe it was a Labor govt initiative. Andrews is probably breaking every single one of the rights.

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This man is SO drunk on power… As is Palaszczuk, McGowan, Berijiklian (unprecedented police powers over the past 5-10 years) and the premier of Tassie to a degree.

Andrews, McGowan and Berijiklian are the premier’s I dislike the most though

Ranking from those examples is 1,3,2

From most hated… To still hated but not as much.

Palaszczuk read the Doherty report and somehow came to the conclusion opening up at 80% = 80 deaths/day in QLD alone… I’ve read the ENTIRE report… Is she disabled? It doesn’t specify this at all… Letting it rip at under 50% elligable population vaccinated (static, not taking into account partial vaccination) would have led to that outcome.

If we were to let it rip NOW, as in NO restrictions… QLD wouldn’t reach that death toll.

Contrary to popular Aussie belief, 80 people isn’t that much either… Granted it would be a bit much if the state of QLD alone was suffering 80 deaths/day.

Hospitals are going to overflow here if we hit 50 deaths/day… Because our healthcare system is so poorly funded and we’ve done nothing to buff up ICU/hospital capacity over the past twenty months.

Not even getting into the paradigm of shut borders, international med students in res who would otherwise be filling a lot of the covid duties not being able to come over here

It’s fucked… And we’ve taken to the laziest, most authoritative and arguably ineffective way out…

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@idaho

Watch this… This is normal here at the moment in Victoria if you dare travel more than 3 miles away from home or stay out past 9pm (curfew)… Or god forbid you protest the restrictions!

And the public cheers it on.

I actually know quite a few people who have left the country now. Australia has gone from “a country many envy and wish to live in” to “a country wherein anyone who doesn’t support this desparately wants out”

We are societally divided like America now… I never thought I’d live to see this day. Covid has been politicised, this isn’t about public health anymore. 45% of elligable population fully vaccinated, 75% partially vaccinated, yet leaving home is grounds for arrest? Give me a break…

My area has now broken the world record for longest lockdown… Not only the longest, but one of the harshest. #complainingandwhininglikealittlebitch

In all seriousness, if my exemption goes through I’m due to leave soon. Not sure how long I’ll be gone for or if I’ll even come back. I’ll be leaving my family unfortunately…

For me to come back two things need to occur

  • a return to relative normalcy…
  • politicians/the majority who supported the very rapid authoritarian descent in Aus need to be called out and shamed. I’m not a tyrant, but I’d like to see those culpable for all this barred from ever running for office ever again… Perhaps even a little bit of jail time!
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Vaccines reduce the chance of death/hospitalisation by around 90-95%. You might still get it… But you won’t get as sick for as long.

I was behind lockdown 1 and the first half of lockdown 2 BECAUSE I thought it was a short term endeavour. Lock down briefly, invest in buffing up hospital capacity, maintain sustainable, sensible yet minor restrictions until a vaccine comes out.

Then loosen all restrictions for fully vaccinated.

I was concerned by the stripping of civil liberties, the arrests over social media posts… But at the time I was also worried about elderly members of my family.

I won’t get into how I was turned off… But it had to do with the slow slew of media bias, cencorship, dogmatic ideology pushed by politicians and people alike, restrictions imposed that weren’t scientifically backed, the arrests of political figures who criticised the government… Mass fines and arrests of anyone breaching even the tiniest protocal… Or even for voicing displeasure like the woman fined for wearing an anti Daniel Andrews t shirt in public.

We can’t let it get like Idaho… And it would even if we were to let it rip now

Idaho is no longer resuscitating people who die from all causes …

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Not the same khaki guys but interesting. EXCLUSIVE - Police deploy counter-terror squad on construction workers in Melbourne (bitchute.com)

Notice how the MSM now say rubber pellets, not rubber bullets.(or grenades for that matter).

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? The left leaning newspapers I read say baton rounds… Those are rubber bullets…

People are on board with rubber bullets… Hell, plenty I’ve spoken too seem to think the protestors ought to be taken down with lethal force… Because they’re TeRrOrIsTs

A covid positive man was at one of the protests the other day. Impending uptick in cases!

We have NO societal immunity, other countries do… Just about every country in the world does.

This thing will tear through us regardless of vaccine status. It’ll primarily be a pandemic of the unvaccinated with comorbidities and elderly (regardless of vaccination status).

Australia needs to catch up, people here need to be dragged out of lockdown kicking and screaming…

Granted I reckon we will go back into lockdown. People here will beg for it

Almost akin to Stockholm syndrome or something

“Please big daddy Dan! Please save us… Ooooo autocratic restrictions! Now I can act as if I’m morally superior”.

It’s amusing how Aussies think they’re tough for staying at home. Most city/suburbia dwelling Australia’s are some of the softest people I know. Rural and it’s a different story. Particularly since the pandemic began… So soft… Scared of EVERYTHING

Then again, I’m generalising.

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I hope you’ve learned your lesson.

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Americans just hate the idea of toughness, and think they’re smarter and morally superior for bowing to any and everything.

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I have… Political ideology even shifted fairly substantially

Initially was an advocate for societal regulation… Now I’m an advocate for societal de regulation in Aus aside from pivotal variables that require regulation to avoid mass casualties…

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Are you talking about Americans or Australians?

Australians are obedient to no end… Almost akin to many Asian countries as opposed to other western democracies

Americans have a FAR more standoffish relationship with authority. Imagine trying to take away guns… Tomorrow… After one mass shooting.

Not to say there wasn’t an issue. The guy involved with the port Arthur massacre was a plausible schizophrenic (psychiatrist diagnosis when he was a kid), who may have had an IQ of 66… He was also an alcoholic. On his medical record was the fact that he tortured animals for fun as a child. Someone like this shouldn’t be allowed to access a firearm unless under the most strict, stringently supervised conditions… Like shooting a .22 rifle from prone position while being monitored… Yet he was able to buy a colt ar15 and a L1A1 Self-Loading Rifle… Nope… No way…

Our society now panders towards virtue signalling and vested moral superiority “wE hAd lEsS cOvId, LoOk aT tHe DeAtH oVeRsEaS. clEarly you JuSt don’t cAre AbouT HumaN lIfE. LoCkDoWn 4EvEr”