[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
Reminds me of comedian Daniel Toth’s standup where he says “They say money can’t buy happiness, but it can buy a jet-ski. Have you ever seen a person on a jet-ski who wasn’t happy?” - or words to that effect.
DB
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I was once, but then we got more gas and all we well…
[quote]Sick Rick wrote:
Most definitely.
I don’t get why people have such a problem with it… If you make sure you leave no traces why not? A year’s salary for one hit?[/quote]
Because the person you kill is someone’s Son/Daughter/Brother/Sister/Mom/Dad ? I don’t know how you could live with yourself if you murdered someone to make a quick buck.
[quote]fraggle wrote:
What I got out of it is that despite one’s bravado on the internet, killing someone will seriously mess up the average non psychopath. A large part of training one receives in the Army is to get you to overcome a natural resistance to kill another human being, and to help you cope with it after the fact.
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Yes, the military must turn a “recruit” into a “psychopath” to get him to receive orders to murder another human being without question.
No one you hire in government really cares if soldiers can deal with the psychological repercussions of murder or not.
[quote]Sick Rick wrote:
smh23 wrote:
I think most decent people put a lot more emphasis on human life than on money. If you don’t then you are pretty much a fucking scumbag. If you sit and think about how any little thing could have happened at any step of the way that could have changed all of this–could have erased your life or any other–you sort of realize how fucking sacred life really is; how lucky you and everyone else is to have been given a chance at existence. Who the fuck are you to fuck that up for an amount of money that won’t even buy you a decent house anymore?
Welcome to the human race buddy.
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Thank God there are people who do feel like this on here.
It might not make me popular but I still wouldn’t/could’t kill a murderer/rapist unless they directly interferred with my family. I really don’t see it as being just a matter of pulling a trigger or shanking someone. To watch the life drain out of someones body probably seriously fucks you up for evermore. I can imagine just seeing their face everywhere I looked and it driving me mad.
Maybe I’m just a pussy, I mean I did used to work on a farm when I was a kid and used to go shooting all the time, but now I don’t even think I could shoot a rabbit to eat!
I think my perspective has definately changed with age and becoming a dad.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
asusvenus wrote:
Human life has no value.
There I said it.
Your insurance company doesn’t see it that way.
Some lives are more valuable than others.[/quote]
Money has no value.
[quote]asusvenus wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
asusvenus wrote:
Human life has no value.
There I said it.
Your insurance company doesn’t see it that way.
Some lives are more valuable than others.
Money has no value.
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Can I have all your money? I will PM you my paypal account. Please prove that I am wrong by giving me all of your money that you have right now. I will cede your point.
After all, it has no value unless it is sentimental to you…?
[quote]clip11 wrote:
"…Fuck you, I hope someone offers me money to kill you! And I know several people who have been locked up and I am confident I could handle myself in prison. In fact I almost had to do 2 to 5 and I wasnt worried one bit.
Plus how could you know what would happen to me if i went to prison. You dont know me, never met me. You dont know if I can fight or not. You dont know how capable of being violent I am. So your assumption is based on what? What you saw in a movie?[/quote]
2 to 5 sounds like a real eternity. You don’t know how you’ll handle yourself in prison…NOBODY knows how they’ll handle themselves in prison until they are actually there. Doesn’t matter how violent you are or if you can fight or not…especially your first go around. It will change you…either for the better or the for the worst…there is no gray area…NONE.
But if you are really that confident,then prison sounds like a good fit for you…it just might be the highlight of your life.
Human life obviously has a value – economically speaking – though it isn’t completely obvious who values it or how much it is valued. The mere fact that we insure our selves proves that we at least value our own lives. The dollar amount of the policy we take out on our life is the approximate value that we appraise ourselves at. We can calculate this quite readily with a mere calculator in some instances.
Economic value is not to be confused with moral or psychic value – though the two concepts both center around actions that show preference between competing “means” and “ends”. In the economic sense the means is money and the ends are an economic goods. In the moral sense a means is our behavior (moral judgment) and the ends are the “intended purposes” of our behavior.
Now we are equipped to understand on the one hand how we can put value on a human life and on the other hand reject the idea of murdering someone for any amount of pay.
[quote]Carlitosway wrote:
The question is. How many of you know “retired” hitmen or drug dealers? Most likely none cause A)They’re either dead or B)They’re in prison
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C) not a lot of people are from backgrounds or lifestyles where they would come into contact with murderers frequently.
i dont know any hitmen personally, but im sure ive been in the same room as at least one. part of my family is from the North End - before it was yuppified.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Now we are equipped to understand on the one hand how we can put value on a human life and on the other hand reject the idea of murdering someone for any amount of pay.[/quote]
How would this work on someone with a nihilistic mindset?
If I was trained by the U.S military hell fucker yeah. There’s actually a group down in the country for no old men. Los Zetas
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
But if you are really that confident,then prison sounds like a good fit for you…it just might be the highlight of your life.
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I think it has been proved that the system can force someone to “adjust” to it. In fact the prison system is practically designed to turn inmates into “repeat customers” ensuring the employment of the entire prison industrial complex.
Government Policy 101: subsidizing something always creates more of it.
[quote]asusvenus wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Now we are equipped to understand on the one hand how we can put value on a human life and on the other hand reject the idea of murdering someone for any amount of pay.
How would this work on someone with a nihilistic mindset?
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Why would I care if it “worked” or not? Truth is about understanding knowledge. If one takes a nihilistic approach then I would wonder what that person is even doing on a chat board if not to TROLL if he did not have a set of principled beliefs from which to ground his opinions.
Basically, a nihilist is not even worth talking to because he has not even an honest intellectual basis to carry on a conversation.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
asusvenus wrote:
Human life has no value.
There I said it.
Your insurance company doesn’t see it that way.
Some lives are more valuable than others.[/quote]
yea but,with All State–at least your in"good hands"
[quote]clip11 wrote:
Otep wrote:
lets suppose i knew where to find Salman Rushie…they have a $150,000 price on his head. It would not bother me one ounce to go take his life for that price. Where else could I get that much money that quickly that easy? He shouldnt have said what he said or wrote what he wrote, I really dont care what he did.
Someone might say thats evil or coldhearted, but it is what it is. Im not a muslim but for that price I would be the first to say “Beheadeth this infidel!”[/quote]
lol dude salman rushdie is not hiding in some cave like bin laden. he is still a high profile figure in England and has been ever since the fatwa. if someone is offering you $150k to “find” him i can just google him or look in a celebrity magazine and we can split the money.
deal?
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
asusvenus wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Now we are equipped to understand on the one hand how we can put value on a human life and on the other hand reject the idea of murdering someone for any amount of pay.
How would this work on someone with a nihilistic mindset?
Why would I care if it “worked” or not? Truth is about understanding knowledge. If one takes a nihilistic approach then I would wonder what that person is even doing on a chat board if not to TROLL if he did not have a set of principled beliefs from which to ground his opinions.
Basically, a nihilist is not even worth talking to because he has not even an honest intellectual basis to carry on a conversation.[/quote]
Point taken I guess. I gotta agree, you can’t debate anything with a nihilist(ethical) as they would just reject the idea of ethics.
What this says about their intelligence, I won’t comment on.
Guess a word like “apply” would be better, but doesn’t matter. If one truly were a nihilist, one shouldn’t have any issues with murdering anyone.
Two things. First, I think this question would make a lot more sense if it included the supposition that you would not go to jail for killing another human being. This then takes away an easy out to the question. It becomes a much more moral question if you don’t have to worry about going to jail.
Secondly, 5,000 dollars is an insanely small amount of money. That’s two months salary for me, and I’m barely scraping by on a college stipend. There is no way that could help overcome the guilt of murdering an innocent person. For me, the amount would have to be well into the millions, and even then I’m sure I would guilt myself into giving most of it away to charity.
If you killed Rushdie, Christopher Hitchens would stalk you to the ends of this earth and kill you five times.
Clip11 and newbatman are by far the most idiotic people posting on these boards.
clip11 wrote:
Plus how could you know what would happen to me if i went to prison. You dont know me, never met me. You dont know if I can fight or not. You dont know how capable of being violent I am. So your assumption is based on what? What you saw in a movie?[/quote]
With your attitude I’ll tell you how you’d fare in prison: You’d be beaten mercilessly for awhile, but if you stood up fourself they’d leave you be. Then the gangs would get after you and you’d likely join and get beaten some more. When everyone got tired of your mouth they’d beat you for old times sake and then rape you. Pretty standard.