Cool View of God, Life, and Wealth

[quote]MrChill wrote:
Interesting debate. That desire thing is quite hard to define. Which reminds me of this saying: “Whether you believe you can or you can’t, you`re right.”

Another thing is that life is wonderful. So far, I have gotten everything I have truly wished for. No, it did not get there according to the plan, sometimes it took longer than expected, sometimes the result was achieved via an indirect line, but in the end I got exactly what I asked for.

Don’t be afraid to dream. The worse that can happen is open your eyes and mind to other possibilities.

“Never think that God’s delays are God’s denials. Hold on; hold fast; hold out. Patience is genius.” – George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon[/quote]

Nice post, and I am glad you were able to reconcile your view of God.

Zeb,

Don’t look now, but you are proving yourself to be an elitist.

You look down your nose at the janitor, or other people in lowly positions, that have not done well for themselves.

Anyone with intact faculties (there are damaged people our there) who can swing it financially can finish high school, go to college and get a degree if they are willing to work hard enough.

Who are you to say the can’t. If you wish to argue that most won’t, I won’t argue with you.

However, ridiculing the notion that these people are capable of more than they have done is not wise.

Most people are very underutilized with respect to their capabilities. One thing good leaders do is help people succeed to the best of their capabilities.

It is simply amazing what people can achieve if they can avoid the judgmental dismissal of folks like yourself and start to believe in themselves.

[quote]vroom wrote:
Zeb,

Don’t look now, but you are proving yourself to be an elitist.

You look down your nose at the janitor, or other people in lowly positions, that have not done well for themselves.

Anyone with intact faculties (there are damaged people our there) who can swing it financially can finish high school, go to college and get a degree if they are willing to work hard enough.

Who are you to say the can’t. If you wish to argue that most won’t, I won’t argue with you.

However, ridiculing the notion that these people are capable of more than they have done is not wise.

Most people are very underutilized with respect to their capabilities. One thing good leaders do is help people succeed to the best of their capabilities.

It is simply amazing what people can achieve if they can avoid the judgmental dismissal of folks like yourself and start to believe in themselves.[/quote]

liberal canadian! :slight_smile:

[quote]vroom wrote:
It is simply amazing what people can achieve if they can avoid the judgmental dismissal of folks like yourself and start to believe in themselves.[/quote]

Belief. When you think of it, that`s pretty much what defines us all as individuals.

I mean, we all start from the same genetic code, right? We all sleep, we all breathe, we all eat, we all rather the same on the autonomous body functions level.

But what makes one stand up and do something? Purpose, will, goals, drive, incentives, you name it. In a way, they are all connected.

The intesting paradox is that while we are all the same at the basic survival functions level, we are all different on our drives. Where we are all alike in body, we are all different in the mind and in our personal realities and circumstances. This define us.

I say lets us recognize the advantages in these differences, and let each of us capitalize and compound on his natural talents. Surely, one can engage The Will to walk a different path than ones genetic blueprint. But that is up to the individual and his personal belief (reward/punishment) definitions. The Will is and can be very strong. I also believe following ones true calling is one of life`s most positive experiences, which adds to the compounding effect mentionned before.

I could never sing or perform on stage even if my life depended on it, in a way. But real artists actualize their potential thru in the same environment. I prefer to leave to them this specialized aspect of life. Theyll do a much better job than me, theyll be happier, and the rewards to both the artist and fans will be better for all.

So let us not listen too much to the naysayers indeed. Who knows what potential lies in each of us? Our jobs is to discover it, and let the world know. And even then, when we find it, we will behave in a way that the world will know. It just shines through. The actualizing individual.

So in a way I will most probably never be able to adhere to any doctrine, since reality at start will never that simple. When I look at Nature, and the balanced coexistence of so many different species, I see a model that humans could emulate. Is a bee better than a whale? I could not say. But I am convinced that if each organism out there follows its true path, it`s all for the better, long term.

Finally, I sometimes wonder if words are really necessary. Not to say that I encourage the least resistance path. All excellence is difficult. Whether it is in brain surgery, sports, or entertainment, one has to level-up inner potential alone. But having The Voice, The Vision, or The Calling sure helps.

Havent felt said Voice/Vision/Calling ? I never felt it for years either. But each time I hit a wall, in silence I heard the This is not rightvoice in me, I listened to myinstincts, and gave heed to that comment. Piece 1 of the puzzle. Fast forward, I hit another wall. In silence, the same voice said the same thing. Piece 2 of the puzzle was achieved. And so forth. I must say that, in retrospect, these pieces of the puzzle eventually connect and make sense. And as one assembles them, ones belief in The Voice and the unifying logic that wants all of us to advance for the better, grows with it.

An evolving belief system in the making. What a fascinating process.

[quote]vroom wrote:
Zeb,

Don’t look now, but you are proving yourself to be an elitist.

You look down your nose at the janitor, or other people in lowly positions, that have not done well for themselves.[/quote]

Well you really had to reach for that one. I never said any such thing. But you cannot expect the typical Janitor to drop his broom and go to Harvard.

Most? That is an understatement. Maybe someone can, but I already stated that.

Ha ha…save your twisting for the hot political threads you nut :slight_smile:

I agree and I can think of TWO right here on this thread who fall into that category.

Hey vroom, you are not making sense.

Go back and reread all of my posts on the matter.

I’m not going to blast you or make you feel foolish or any of the other things I normally do to you until you reread the thread.

If you come out swinging at me then…well then I will have to conclude that you just want to fight with me for no reason and I’ll follow suit.

Bye vroomy. :slight_smile: