[quote]ephrem wrote:<<< Christ-like >>>[/quote]Tell me what you think that means. I may not be able to answer til later though. I’m commanded to love you and pray for you. I do both. The benefit to me is part of the package.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:<<< Christ-like >>>[/quote]Tell me what you think that means. I may not be able to answer til later though. I’m commanded to love you and pray for you. I do both. The benefit to me is part of the package.
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I’d imagine that you’d submit [surrender] yourself, your life, to god in every way.
I’d also imagine that a person who, in all honesty, has done that would project and act in concordance with the actions of god’s only begotten son.
How am I doing so far?
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[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:
Why have schools alltogether? Just homeschool all children. Leave a child’s education to the parents and their communities.
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Well, granted the alternatives available, that may not necessarily be such a bad idea.
I’d suggest privatizing education as the more practical option, though.
This is coming from someone who has built his business and career on kids’ education, who owns a school himself, and aims to open a full-curriculum private school in the near future. [/quote]
Can you offer an afforable school experience to low-income parents?[/quote]
That would not be my personal business model, but if you are asking if I believe it could be done? Absolutely 100% positive it could. Easily. In fact, someone could get very rich offering just such a service. Most private schools compete at a price range that is out of reach for the common person because until recently “free” public schooling provided an adequate education and there was not any real financial incentive for private institutions to try and compete with a taxpayer funded, government institution. Now, however, more and more people are becoming fed up with the only option available to them. The rise in homeschooling rates is clear evidence of this. I am extremely confident that if an affordable institution existed that offered a “classic” private school curriculum with credentials and recognition upon graduation at least equivalent to those one could expect to receive in a public school, many families that currently homeschool and many others who are just not able to would opt for this instead.
My guess is that the majority of the customer base would come from the low to upper middle class strata of the population, though, rather than those society would classify as “low-income,” even if the service was offered in such a way that they could afford it.
Hmm, you’re getting me thinking here, eph…
Addendum, I think that the establishment of a tax-voucher system would almost have to be a prerequisite to ever seeing my idea reach any kind of level we could call widespread. But as neither party EVER follows through on this wonderful idea, I don’t expect to see anything like this anytime soon. Which I think is so shitty it is borderline immoral.
[quote]ephrem wrote:<<< How am I doing so far?[/quote]Not very well. You haven’t told me what any of that is.
[quote]Cortes wrote:<<< Hmm, you’re getting me thinking here, eph… >>>[/quote]My church keeps a fund to send young people to bible college. This could be done for lower levels of education as well if such were affordable.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
Addendum, I think that the establishment of a tax-voucher system would almost have to be a prerequisite to ever seeing my idea reach any kind of level we could call widespread. But as neither party EVER follows through on this wonderful idea, I don’t expect to see anything like this anytime soon. Which I think is so shitty it is borderline immoral. [/quote]
Tax-vouchers are a form of subsidy?
I must admit, I’m not against private schools. We have a system where, as a parent, there are many options available to you to choose from, except for homeschooling.
If I had children, the idea that my child would be part of a 1200 student state school is horrifying.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:<<< How am I doing so far?[/quote]Not very well. You haven’t told me what any of that is.
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You want me to explain to you what “surrender” is?
[quote]ephrem wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
Addendum, I think that the establishment of a tax-voucher system would almost have to be a prerequisite to ever seeing my idea reach any kind of level we could call widespread. But as neither party EVER follows through on this wonderful idea, I don’t expect to see anything like this anytime soon. Which I think is so shitty it is borderline immoral. [/quote]
Tax-vouchers are a form of subsidy?
I must admit, I’m not against private schools. We have a system where, as a parent, there are many options available to you to choose from, except for homeschooling.
If I had children, the idea that my child would be part of a 1200 student state school is horrifying.
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Basically, a certain portion of their taxes that ostensibly would have been used as their contribution to the public school system they participate in would be available to them in the form of a special voucher which could be “cashed” at the educational institution of their choice. I see nothing wrong and everything right with this system, but it never happens.I suppose this is because politicians realize it would create a slippery slope for themselves. Once you start letting people spend their money in the way that THEY see fit and appropriate for their own individual and community situations, suddenly the politicians no longer have any sort of leverage and they become, well, what they are actually supposed to be but all absolutely abhor the thought of: the servants of their constituents, and not the other way around.
And as for your last sentence, once again we find ourselves on the same side of the fence.
Careful buddy, while Tirib has you distracted with talk about converting you to Christianity, I’m going to sneak up from behind and turn you into a right wing conservative!
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
Addendum, I think that the establishment of a tax-voucher system would almost have to be a prerequisite to ever seeing my idea reach any kind of level we could call widespread. But as neither party EVER follows through on this wonderful idea, I don’t expect to see anything like this anytime soon. Which I think is so shitty it is borderline immoral. [/quote]
Tax-vouchers are a form of subsidy?
I must admit, I’m not against private schools. We have a system where, as a parent, there are many options available to you to choose from, except for homeschooling.
If I had children, the idea that my child would be part of a 1200 student state school is horrifying.
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Basically, a certain portion of their taxes that ostensibly would have been used as their contribution to the public school system they participate in would be available to them in the form of a special voucher which could be “cashed” at the educational institution of their choice. I see nothing wrong and everything right with this system, but it never happens.I suppose this is because politicians realize it would create a slippery slope for themselves. Once you start letting people spend their money in the way that THEY see fit and appropriate for their own individual and community situations, suddenly the politicians no longer have any sort of leverage and they become, well, what they are actually supposed to be but all absolutely abhor the thought of: the servants of their constituents, and not the other way around.
And as for your last sentence, once again we find ourselves on the same side of the fence.
Careful buddy, while Tirib has you distracted with talk about converting you to Christianity, I’m going to sneak up from behind and turn you into a right wing conservative!
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Inconceivable!
[quote]ephrem wrote:
Inconceivable!
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You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:Why have schools alltogether? Just homeschool all children. Leave a child’s education to the parents and their communities.[/quote]Now you’re talkin. My 16 year old daughter has never stepped foot in a degenerate state indoctrination center and never will. I’m never givin up on you Ephrem. I am praying my Lord, who is the light of the world, will bring you out of that darkness. John chapter 3 19-. [quote]ephrem wrote:<<< Indeed T, you are egocentric, selfish, proud of accomplishments you had nothing to do with, vain, arrogant and misanthropic.
Jesus would’ve been proud of you.
[/quote]My point stands. BTW, I’m truly not trying to make you angry, but I’ve seen your temper and yer doin real good not lettin show lately. I have these visions of you in a trashed room with flying papers settling around yer head as you calmly type your responses through the heavy breathing =D
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Besides sex education what other information are you withholding from your children that is also taught in public schools?
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:Why have schools alltogether? Just homeschool all children. Leave a child’s education to the parents and their communities.[/quote]Now you’re talkin. My 16 year old daughter has never stepped foot in a degenerate state indoctrination center and never will. I’m never givin up on you Ephrem. I am praying my Lord, who is the light of the world, will bring you out of that darkness. John chapter 3 19-. [quote]ephrem wrote:<<< Indeed T, you are egocentric, selfish, proud of accomplishments you had nothing to do with, vain, arrogant and misanthropic.
Jesus would’ve been proud of you.
[/quote]My point stands. BTW, I’m truly not trying to make you angry, but I’ve seen your temper and yer doin real good not lettin show lately. I have these visions of you in a trashed room with flying papers settling around yer head as you calmly type your responses through the heavy breathing =D
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Besides sex education what other information are you withholding from your children that is also taught in public schools?[/quote]
Probably junk science aka evolution.
[quote]sufiandy wrote:<<< Besides sex education what other information are you withholding from your children that is also taught in public schools?[/quote]Yeah because it’s outrageous that my wife and I could do it without the exalted state. I repeat, barring an awesome move of the Spirit of God your generation will finally bury this once great nation.
[quote]ephrem wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:<<< How am I doing so far?[/quote]Not very well. You haven’t told me what any of that is.
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You want me to explain to you what “surrender” is?[/quote]I want to explain to me what you think it looks like when some one is surrendered to Christ.
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[quote]ephrem wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:<<< How am I doing so far?[/quote]Not very well. You haven’t told me what any of that is.
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You want me to explain to you what “surrender” is?[/quote]I want to explain to me what you think it looks like when some one is surrendered to Christ.
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I have no idea.
What does someone who’s surrendered to Christ look like?
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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:<<< How am I doing so far?[/quote]Not very well. You haven’t told me what any of that is.
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You want me to explain to you what “surrender” is?[/quote]I want to explain to me what you think it looks like when some one is surrendered to Christ.
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I have no idea.
What does someone who’s surrendered to Christ look like?
[/quote]LOL! I’m always gonna be your buddy Ephrem. You are a blast man LOL! I’m not even razzin ya now. Seriously. You started this dialog didn’t ya? Wasn’t that you implying with inescapable emphasis how unchristlike I was being? Now you’re tellin me you have no idea what that is? I’m gonna be gone for a couple hours. You know I’d never ignore you.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:<<< Besides sex education what other information are you withholding from your children that is also taught in public schools?[/quote]Yeah because it’s outrageous that my wife and I could do it without the exalted state. I repeat, barring an awesome move of the Spirit of God your generation will finally bury this once great nation.
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So what other topics do you not cover that is standard in public schools K-12? I didn’t mean to imply you didn’t teach sex ed, I just wanted an answer that left that out in case it was on the list.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Raj,
You never answered my question.
"Would you mind me teaching your wife how to have sex with other men and hide it from you? If I could statistically show that it lowered your chance of divorce, and is “good for society”. "
Do you at least understand my point now?[/quote]
I understand the point that you aren’t required to support everything that prevents something else you’re against.
However your example above doesn’t really make sense. Adolescents eventually do become of age and have sex. It’s inevitable. You want your child to eventually carry on your genes by reproducing themselves, just not when they’re teens.
At no point do you want someone to cheat on their spouse. Sex is an inevitability, adultery is not.[/quote]
What a massive deflection.
Let me count the ways you are wrong.
First, ALL sex isn’t being discussed, kids having sex is. No one has said anything about sex in general, this is a massive subject change and straw man.
Second, sex is not inevitable, even if taken generally.
Third, many people would argue adultery is inevitable and that human monogamy is unnatural, even if that were the case.
Ah, but we get some light in your last statement. You described the situation in terms of an opinion of what someone would want. And your statement is purely subjective. There are many people who want to cheat as evidence by how many people do it. So, no, there are tons of circumstances people want to be able to cheat, and even many that I wouldn’t blame the person cheating.
But here is the thing, preventing divorce is good, your wife and her lover get to be happy, you remain happy in ignorance, a marriage is saved, where is the downside? Where is your measurable quantifiable “damage to society”?
The bottom line is that you don’t want me teaching someone you love how to avoid the consequences of something YOU don’t WANT them doing. But according to what you’ve said in this thread, that makes you irrational and pro divorce.
[quote]ephrem wrote:
More repressed stupidity:
Abstinence-Only Sex Education Bill In Utah Prohibits Teaching Contraception
It doesn’t prohibit teaching contraception. It prohibits the government from teaching it to kids. There is a HUGE difference. The government not doing something is not equivalent to banning it.
Example: The government doesn’t buy me a gun, so it has banned me owning guns, right?
To insinuate that government education is the only education possible is just sad.