[quote]doogie wrote:
Oh my God!!! In the chaotic minutes after the bomb went off, local news stations aired some inaccurate reports? It can’t be.
Do you not watch your local news? They are lucky if they know what day it is most of the time.
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They defused imaginary bombs?
Thank you.
[quote]doogie wrote:
JustTheFacts wrote:
doogie wrote:
I knew JTF wouldn’t let me down.
Explain away…
Since your more grounded in reality than me, I’ll be anxious to hear your explanation of how Timothy McVeigh planted THREE 5000+ LB BOMBS inside the Murrah Building undetected.
I say 5000+ because the SECOND and THIRD unexploded bombs found INSIDE the Murrah building were both bigger than the one that actually exploded. You know, the one inside the, ahem, Ryder truck.
Oh my God!!! In the chaotic minutes after the bomb went off, local news stations aired some inaccurate reports? It can’t be.
Do you not watch your local news? They are lucky if they know what day it is most of the time.
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Kook!
[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
They defused imaginary bombs?
Thank you.[/quote]
No, they exploded a backpack because they didn’t know if it was a bomb or not, and took no chances:
“There were also reports of a second device being found and a controlled detonation taking place at approximately 9:00 p.m…[6] It was likely a backpack or bag, but not a second device.” (From wikipedia)
There was no need for a second and third device, as the truck did a pretty good job of destroying the building.
It must be interesting to live in a world where attacks never take place; where everything is a government plot.
I can only imagine those proud Japanese Conspiracy theorists that are convinced Japan had the atom bomb first, and detonated them in Hiroshima and Nagasaki as a way to surrender while saving face. Trinity? US propaganda because they can’t admit Japan beat them to the bomb.
[quote]pookie wrote:
JustTheFacts wrote:
They defused imaginary bombs?
Thank you.
No, they exploded a backpack because they didn’t know if it was a bomb or not, and took no chances:
“There were also reports of a second device being found and a controlled detonation taking place at approximately 9:00 p.m…[6] It was likely a backpack or bag, but not a second device.” (From wikipedia)
There was no need for a second and third device, as the truck did a pretty good job of destroying the building.
It must be interesting to live in a world where attacks never take place; where everything is a government plot.
I can only imagine those proud Japanese Conspiracy theorists that are convinced Japan had the atom bomb first, and detonated them in Hiroshima and Nagasaki as a way to surrender while saving face. Trinity? US propaganda because they can’t admit Japan beat them to the bomb.
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Well they could have placed the 5000ib. bombs in the building using anti-gravity field generators to move them in. They also could have used the teleportation devices they took off the alien spacecraft in Roswell and have been hiding ever since at area 51.
Prescott Bush wanted this information kept secret and passed down only thru the Bush New World Order leadership. Why people choose to ignore this information is simply beyond belief. Thank God a diligent few keep it in the public eye until the government hit squads kill them and make it look like an accident.
I have spare armadillo helmets if anyone needs 1!!!
[quote]pookie wrote:
No, they exploded a backpack because they didn’t know if it was a bomb or not, and took no chances:
“There were also reports of a second device being found and a controlled detonation taking place at approximately 9:00 p.m…[6] It was likely a backpack or bag, but not a second device.” (From wikipedia)
There was no need for a second and third device, as the truck did a pretty good job of destroying the building.
It must be interesting to live in a world where attacks never take place; where everything is a government plot.
I can only imagine those proud Japanese Conspiracy theorists that are convinced Japan had the atom bomb first, and detonated them in Hiroshima and Nagasaki as a way to surrender while saving face. Trinity? US propaganda because they can’t admit Japan beat them to the bomb.
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Please don’t comment until you’ve actually watched (and listened) to the video.
[quote]hedo wrote:
Well they could have placed the 5000ib. bombs in the building using anti-gravity field generators to move them in. They also could have used the teleportation devices they took off the alien spacecraft in Roswell and have been hiding ever since at area 51.
Prescott Bush wanted this information kept secret and passed down only thru the Bush New World Order leadership. Why people choose to ignore this information is simply beyond belief. Thank God a diligent few keep it in the public eye until the government hit squads kill them and make it look like an accident.
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“We now have confirmation from Federal authorities that additional unexploded devices have been found INSIDE the building”
Funny how you equate questioning THAT to believing in aliens, Area 51 and Roswell – YOU are the one who fell for the “Jedi Mind Trick”
“These aren’t the droids you are looking for”
“These aren’t the droids we are looking for”
“Day by day and almost minute by minute the past was brought up to date. In this way every prediction made by the Party could be shown by documentary evidence to have been correct, nor was any item of news, or any expression of opinion, which conflicted with the needs of the moment, ever allowed to remain on record.”
-1984
[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
hedo wrote:
Well they could have placed the 5000ib. bombs in the building using anti-gravity field generators to move them in. They also could have used the teleportation devices they took off the alien spacecraft in Roswell and have been hiding ever since at area 51.
Prescott Bush wanted this information kept secret and passed down only thru the Bush New World Order leadership. Why people choose to ignore this information is simply beyond belief. Thank God a diligent few keep it in the public eye until the government hit squads kill them and make it look like an accident.
“We now have confirmation from Federal authorities that additional unexploded devices have been found INSIDE the building”
Funny how you equate questioning THAT to believing in aliens, Area 51 and Roswell – YOU are the one who fell for the “Jedi Mind Trick”
“These aren’t the droids you are looking for”
“These aren’t the droids we are looking for”
“Day by day and almost minute by minute the past was brought up to date. In this way every prediction made by the Party could be shown by documentary evidence to have been correct, nor was any item of news, or any expression of opinion, which conflicted with the needs of the moment, ever allowed to remain on record.”
-1984[/quote]
You must have spent a lot more time watching “Star Wars” then I did since I have no idea what you are quoting. Come on now you don’t think they have something hidden in Area 51…maybe they moved it to Area 52 and area 51 is just an elaborate distraction.
Clearly that is what they want you to believe. If you keep spilling their secrets they will activate the microchip they in you embeeded when you were vaccinated as a child. They do it thru microwave towers. Next thing you know, your in a FEMA run reducation camp that is fully staffed as we speak waitng for underirables.
Everyone knows all these theories are true. That’s what they do, they hide them in plain site.
[quote]hedo wrote:
Everyone knows all these theories are true. That’s what they do, they hide them in plain site.
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Why mess with a tried and true technique?
[quote]hedo wrote:
Well they could have placed the 5000ib. bombs in the building using anti-gravity field generators to move them in. They also could have used the teleportation devices they took off the alien spacecraft in Roswell and have been hiding ever since at area 51.
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Direct quote from the Eglin Blast Effects Study of the Armament Directorate, Wright Laboratory at Eglin Air Force Base in Florida:
[i]"Due to these conditions, it is impossible to ascribe the damage that occurred on April 19, 1995 to a single truck bomb containing 4,800 lbs. of ANFO. In fact, the maximum predicted damage to the floor panels of the Murrah Federal Building is equal to approximately 1% of the total floor area of the building. Furthermore, due to the lack of symmetrical damage pattern at the Murrah Building, it would be inconsistent with the results of the ETS test [number] one to state that all of the damage to the Murrah Building is the result of the truck bomb. The damage to the Murrah Federal Building is consistent with damage resulting from mechanically coupled devices placed locally within the structure…
It must be concluded that the damage at the Murrah Federal Building is not the result of the truck bomb itself, but rather due to other factors such as locally placed charges within the building itself… The procedures used to cause the damage to the Murrah Building are therefore more involved and complex than simply parking a truck and leaving…"[/i]
In addition, an independent study by Brigadier Gen. Benton Partin
Letter from Brigadier Gen. USAF (Ret.) Benton Partin to U.S. Sen. Trent Lott - July 30, 1995:
Dear Sen. Lott:
The attached report contains conclusive proof that the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, was not caused solely by the truck bomb. Evidence shows that the massive destruction was primarily the result of four demolition charges placed at critical structural points at the third floor level.
Weapons Experience: I do not offer such an analytical conclusion lightly. I have spent 25 years in research, design, development, test and management of weapons development. This included: hands on work at the Ballistic Research Laboratories; Commander of the Air Force Armament Technology Laboratory, and ultimately management responsibility for almost every nonnuclear weapon device in the Air Force (at the Air Force System command, Air Staff and the Office of the Secretary of Defense (OSD) levels). I was also the first chairman of the OSD joint service Air Munitions Requirements and Development Committee. (A more detailed resume appears at Tab 1.)…
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/PARTIN/ok8.htm
[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
hedo wrote:
Well they could have placed the 5000ib. bombs in the building using anti-gravity field generators to move them in. They also could have used the teleportation devices they took off the alien spacecraft in Roswell and have been hiding ever since at area 51.
Direct quote from the Eglin Blast Effects Study of the Armament Directorate, Wright Laboratory at Eglin Air Force Base in Florida:
[i]"Due to these conditions, it is impossible to ascribe the damage that occurred on April 19, 1995 to a single truck bomb containing 4,800 lbs. of ANFO. In fact, the maximum predicted damage to the floor panels of the Murrah Federal Building is equal to approximately 1% of the total floor area of the building. Furthermore, due to the lack of symmetrical damage pattern at the Murrah Building, it would be inconsistent with the results of the ETS test [number] one to state that all of the damage to the Murrah Building is the result of the truck bomb. The damage to the Murrah Federal Building is consistent with damage resulting from mechanically coupled devices placed locally within the structure…
It must be concluded that the damage at the Murrah Federal Building is not the result of the truck bomb itself, but rather due to other factors such as locally placed charges within the building itself… The procedures used to cause the damage to the Murrah Building are therefore more involved and complex than simply parking a truck and leaving…"[/i]
In addition, an independent study by Brigadier Gen. Benton Partin
Letter from Brigadier Gen. USAF (Ret.) Benton Partin to U.S. Sen. Trent Lott - July 30, 1995:
Dear Sen. Lott:
The attached report contains conclusive proof that the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, was not caused solely by the truck bomb. Evidence shows that the massive destruction was primarily the result of four demolition charges placed at critical structural points at the third floor level.
Weapons Experience: I do not offer such an analytical conclusion lightly. I have spent 25 years in research, design, development, test and management of weapons development. This included: hands on work at the Ballistic Research Laboratories; Commander of the Air Force Armament Technology Laboratory, and ultimately management responsibility for almost every nonnuclear weapon device in the Air Force (at the Air Force System command, Air Staff and the Office of the Secretary of Defense (OSD) levels). I was also the first chairman of the OSD joint service Air Munitions Requirements and Development Committee. (A more detailed resume appears at Tab 1.)…
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/PARTIN/ok8.htm
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Excellent post!
You guys rip on JTF but he always brings the info and links.
[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
Please don’t comment until you’ve actually watched (and listened) to the video.
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That’s your proof? News reports? Like the woman says at 1:10 “if the report we gave you a few minutes ago turns out to be correct…” Seems to me it didn’t. That every news station picked it up and ran with it is not surprising. No news channel wants to appear to be “out of the loop.” Can’t have people channel surfing to your competitor to get the scoop, so every one repeats everything they hear without checking the source.
We had a similar thing here a few weeks ago, when there was report of a shooter in a school. We had just had a real one the week before and the local news channel, both TV and radio, reported all day about that shooter. Turns out there never was a shooter there.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Excellent post!
You guys rip on JTF but he always brings the info and links.[/quote]
Just because you can find a link to something doesn’t make it true.
This is the internet. You can find links to support just about any view you want to espouse.
[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
hedo wrote:
Well they could have placed the 5000ib. bombs in the building using anti-gravity field generators to move them in. They also could have used the teleportation devices they took off the alien spacecraft in Roswell and have been hiding ever since at area 51.
Direct quote from the Eglin Blast Effects Study of the Armament Directorate, Wright Laboratory at Eglin Air Force Base in Florida:
[i]"Due to these conditions, it is impossible to ascribe the damage that occurred on April 19, 1995 to a single truck bomb containing 4,800 lbs. of ANFO. In fact, the maximum predicted damage to the floor panels of the Murrah Federal Building is equal to approximately 1% of the total floor area of the building. Furthermore, due to the lack of symmetrical damage pattern at the Murrah Building, it would be inconsistent with the results of the ETS test [number] one to state that all of the damage to the Murrah Building is the result of the truck bomb. The damage to the Murrah Federal Building is consistent with damage resulting from mechanically coupled devices placed locally within the structure…
It must be concluded that the damage at the Murrah Federal Building is not the result of the truck bomb itself, but rather due to other factors such as locally placed charges within the building itself… The procedures used to cause the damage to the Murrah Building are therefore more involved and complex than simply parking a truck and leaving…"[/i]
In addition, an independent study by Brigadier Gen. Benton Partin
Letter from Brigadier Gen. USAF (Ret.) Benton Partin to U.S. Sen. Trent Lott - July 30, 1995:
Dear Sen. Lott:
The attached report contains conclusive proof that the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, was not caused solely by the truck bomb. Evidence shows that the massive destruction was primarily the result of four demolition charges placed at critical structural points at the third floor level.
Weapons Experience: I do not offer such an analytical conclusion lightly. I have spent 25 years in research, design, development, test and management of weapons development. This included: hands on work at the Ballistic Research Laboratories; Commander of the Air Force Armament Technology Laboratory, and ultimately management responsibility for almost every nonnuclear weapon device in the Air Force (at the Air Force System command, Air Staff and the Office of the Secretary of Defense (OSD) levels). I was also the first chairman of the OSD joint service Air Munitions Requirements and Development Committee. (A more detailed resume appears at Tab 1.)…
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/PARTIN/ok8.htm
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A retired General from Ranch O politics…wow that’s like Steven Hawkins talking about physics. It’s just got to be true.
FYI-the U.S. military doesn’t have “directorates”. That’s an old Soviet term.
[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
hedo wrote:
Everyone knows all these theories are true. That’s what they do, they hide them in plain site.
Why mess with a tried and true technique?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Lie[/quote]
Exactly!!
I mean you throw in a Nazi German quote and it’s just got to be true. How can you argue with the pure logic of it.
If only people would realize that the Zionists started WW2 thru their German and US proxies…so they could found the state of Israel, then the world would be a better place. Why don’t people realize that Israel controls our Middle East policy. We’re all fools. I mean people actually fell for that whole Al-Queda thing…how silly.
If they only taught this in the schools then the government thought control beams would have no effect on the enlightned.
Guess were all going to wind up in the FEMA reducation camps now. Transported by black helicopters I fear.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Excellent post!
You guys rip on JTF but he always brings the info and links.
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I try anyway - for what its worth.
[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Excellent post!
You guys rip on JTF but he always brings the info and links.
I try anyway - for what its worth.
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We’re not faulty you for providing links. We’re faulting you for the evaluation process that goes into selecting those links.
Ideally, someone takes a look - as objectively as possible - at all the available facts and evidence. Some of those “facts” might seem suspect or the evidence might be unsubstantiated. All information is not equal. Unretouched video and photos are generally more reliable than eye-witness testimony for example.
From the remaining valid evidence, one can then deduce reasonable scenarios. While not always true, in general simpler explanation tend to be more correct than complex ones, simply because their is less to get wrong.
The way you and most other conspiracy theorist operate is to first reach a conclusion. It generally involves various government agencies and lays out a nefarious plot to attack the public in some way.
You then go through the evidence and keep anything that corroborates your pet conclusion, while dismissing anything that contradicts it as propaganda or planted disinformation.
For example, in the Loose Change video about 9/11, 2 interviews are presented from people who think they say a missile strapped underneath the plane. But they conveniently forget to mention about 198 other interviews about people who saw an ordinary commercial airliner.
When discussing the Pentagon attack, the Loose Change video talks about a Cruise missile, then, later, a military fighter plane that might have fired a missile, or kamikazed into the Pentagon. Which is it? Apparently the conspiracists don’t care as long as it’s not the official version.
Then there’s all the various problems with the conspiracies themselves. Some require a rather extensive involvement from various TLA agencies, the military, special forces, etc. Not a single individual from all those people ever feel the slightest remorse at being traitors to their nation and fellow citizens?
No leaks, no denunciations? We are to believe that the government, who’s generally an enormously inefficient and collectively “stupid” bureaucracy who plods maladroitly through most problems suddenly becomes an exact and precise machine when it comes to executing those conspiracies?
There’s also the problem of what goal is being pursued. With 9/11, the stated goal is to justify the Iraq war. With the Oklahoma bombing, what is it? What did the govt accomplish by blowing up that building? There’s always various recurring themes such as “starting this war” or “reducing our civil liberties” and so on.
Yet, the government has managed to do both many times in the past without resorting to “fake attacks” on it’s people each time.
That governments capitalize on those events to manipulate popular opinion toward their stated or secret goals is one thing. To claim that the entire event was orchestrated from the start, meticulously planned and executed is something else entirely.
That’s why much of your posted information is dismissed or not treated very seriously.