Comrade Sanders and Fundraising

[Zeppelin795]

All of what you say doesn’t take away his funding donations. You and your bankrupt ideology are losing.

[H_factor]

@Zeppelin795

All of what you say doesn’t take away his funding donations. You and your bankrupt ideology are losing.

You don’t have to support the other side to not be in love with all of Bernie’s positions. I would put myself squarely in this camp.

[anon50325502]

@Zeppelin795

All of what you say doesn’t take away his funding donations.

Ya, we had moved on to talk about something else… He raised a bunch of money from suckers. Good for him. He’s been leeching off suckers for 30 years.

@Zeppelin795

You and your bankrupt ideology are losing.

You couldn’t wait like a week before going straight to your copy/paste replies?

@H_factor

You don’t have to support the other side to not be in love with all of Bernie’s positions. I would put myself squarely in this camp.

Prepare yourself. You’re now the enemy to Zeppy.

[squating_bear]

@Zeppelin795

You’re excited to see Trump lose?

Not particularly excited about the outcome, I think I will be able to enjoy the process if it comes down to those two

[anon50325502]

@Zeppelin795

Is this like what goes on in Scandinavian countries?

@dt79 get em!

[dt79]

@anon50325502

@Zeppelin795

Is this like what goes on in Scandinavian countries?

@dt79 get em!

I don’t need to. He lies so much he forgets his own lies:

@Zeppelin795

No they aren’t socialist countries but have more socialistic programs than the U.S. and are doing fine.

^He’s going to start shadow boxing and losing again.

[anon50325502]

@Zeppelin795 since you’re back can you answer all these questiosn for me now.

@anon50325502

“If the average citizen is guaranteed equal opportunity in the polling place, he must have equal opportunity in the market place.”

Please explain how the average citizen does not have equal opportunity in the market place. Please explain how you would guarantee equal opportunity in the market place and then please explain how that will effect the economy at least at the macro level.

“We have come to a clear realization of the fact that true individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence.”

How do you have both economic security and economic independence?

How do you codify a right to a “useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation” without forcing industries, shops, farms, and mines to employee Americans?

Please define what is “enough” under FDR’s 2nd right “The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreations”

How do you force farm’s to employee people and allow them to “raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living”? Please define “decent living”.

“The right of every family to a decent home” Not sure where to even begin with this one.

The rest raise the same questions. “The right to adequate medical care” okay, what does that mean? An “opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health”. What does that mean? Government gym’s? Mandatory exercise? Government approved rations?

“The right to adequate protection from economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment.” Okay, we basically have that now.

“The right to ‘good’ education” Okay, define that please.

The difference between the 1st bill of rights and the 2nd is that the first restrained government action allowing for citizens to be free while the 2nd requires government intervention in the name of security.

The second bill of rights is literally the exact opposite of independence / liberty.

F.D.R.'s 2nd Bill of Rights

https://www.thenation.com/article/seventy-years-let-us-renew-fdrs-struggle-economic-bill-rights/ Implementation of such was cut short by his passing. Yes it’s a video. And some on here like to poke fun and claim that it is not a valid way to learn something and is cheap. So you cannot learn from a video and if that is you then read the article and/or do some digging.

[dt79]

@Zeppelin795

Since Bolivia is socialist and is close to Venezuela why isn’t similar things happening? Because of the oil and lack of U.S. sanctions?

Poverty in South America

[Zeppelin795]

So the majority of the population are just lazy do-nothings?

[Zeppelin795]

@anon50325502

You mean a career politician that’s done exactly zero for the masses while becoming a multi-millionaire, right?

You mean the wage increase he obtained for Amazon workers and Disneyland employees. That nothing? What have other politicians done that have tangibly affected the masses? Especially ones that you look up to.

[Zeppelin795]

@dt79

He claims to be disabled, jobless and on welfare, and has expressly stated his despise for income earners from the upper middle class and above, falling back on Modern Monetary Theory to mock the idea of the necessity for their tax dollars.

So it is questioned that I’m not disabled. I guess that I’m just making it up. MMT is merely a description of how the monetary system works. It goes against the self-ordained economic orthodoxy. Are programs paid for by tax dollars? No. Anytime someone suggests a program(Green New Deal)that will help the populace. The how you gonna pay for it question is always asked. As if the fed. budget is the same as a household. However this question is rarely, if ever asked about the wars or bank bailouts if I remember correctly.

@dt79

Oh, and he posts studies done on hamsters and insists they were done on humans because of the use of the term “animal model”.

This was the wrong study I defended by accident, as was stated several times before.

The study I was supposed to participate in. Clinical feasibility of umbilical cord tissue-derived mesenchymal stem cells in the treatment of multiple sclerosis - PubMed
Of the mild AEs denoted as possibly related to treatment, most were headache or fatigue.
Wow what debilitating side effects! All the while everyone had a positive experience

Dt79 employs a technique that tries to highlight any negatives while completely ignoring the benefits. But what can you expect? He has nowhere else to go. You don’t expect him to admit the obvious? It has to fit his narrative first. And if it doesn’t just deny, deny ,deny.

[anon50325502]

@Zeppelin795

So the majority of the population are just lazy do-nothings?

No, the majority of the population doesn’t have a growth mindset and would rather watch re-runs of Friends than take a night class or read a book.

A friend of mine used to make fun of me for doing homework at 25 years old instead of staying up late and playing video games with our group. That same friend still makes minimum wage whereas my pay has doubled in about 6 years.

@Zeppelin795

You mean the wage increase he obtained for Amazon workers and Disneyland employees.

The one where a bunch of employees lost out on performance bonuses? He didn’t “obtain” that increase for them.

@Zeppelin795

That nothing?

Ya, he had zero to do with that.

@Zeppelin795

Especially ones that you look up to.

Why would I look up to a politician? The vast majority of them are hot garbage.

[anon50325502]

@Zeppelin795

MMT is merely a description of how the monetary system works.

I would love for you to explain MMT.

[dt79]

@Zeppelin795

This was the wrong study I defended by accident, as was stated several times before.

The study I was supposed to participate in. Clinical feasibility of umbilical cord tissue-derived mesenchymal stem cells in the treatment of multiple sclerosis - PubMed
Of the mild AEs denoted as possibly related to treatment, most were headache or fatigue.
Wow what debilitating side effects! All the while everyone had a positive experience

Lying again.

@dt79

@Zeppelin795

But the studies I originally wanted to post were done on humans. Just like the trial I was to be involved in but was prevented by an American neurologist who kept trying to sell me on pharmaceuticals. Even though I told him at least twice I wasn’t at all interested as my mother died after a 20+ year bout with Parkinson’s and all the doctors ever did for her was prescribe her another synthetic chemical-which made her hallucinate. The doctor told me the meds for Parkinson’s and MS were different. That was the sage advice given to me.

Clinical feasibility of umbilical cord tissue-derived mesenchymal stem cells in the treatment of multiple sclerosis - PubMed

1. That doesn’t explain the fact that you read the hamster study and thought it was done on humans, which does not absolve you from mockery for pure, unbridled stupidity.

2. That does not explain why you did not know the term “hamster heart model” was not in the study you were meant to post if you did not LIE about reading the study you were meant to post.

3. This was not the study you claimed you meant to post. It is not even about heart failure. You could not possibly have not known you had posted the “wrong” study after seeing the words “hamsters” and “heart failure” in it since this study is about MS.

You are giving me a very strong suspicion that you are very used to manipulating compassionate folk with cheap lies to get what you want in real life, and you get away with it not because they believe you, but being compassionate, they simply don’t call you out on your lies.

The ones you claimed you wanted to post were these, which were about heart failure.

@Zeppelin795

Fischer SA, Brunskill SI, Doree C Mathur A, Taggart DP, Martin-Rendon E. Stem cell therapy for chronic ishaemic heart disease and congestive heart failure. Cochrane Database Syst Rev. 2014(4):CD007888. dol: 10.1002/14651858.CD007888.pub2.

Fischer SA, Doree C, Mathur A, Martin-Rendon E. Meta-Analysis of cell therapy trials for patients with heart failure. Circ Res. 2015;116(8)1361-1377.dol: 10.1161/CIRCRESAHA.116.304386

These are the studies I meant to post but low light and a fading eye sight were playing tricks on me. Got plenty more with a plethora of diseases. Just ask.

Lies, lies and more lies

@Zeppelin795

Dt79 employs a technique that tries to highlight any negatives while completely ignoring the benefits. But what can you expect? He has nowhere else to go. You don’t expect him to admit the obvious? It has to fit his narrative first. And if it doesn’t just deny, deny ,deny.

Back it up, then. I back up everything I assert. Go on. Do it.

Bloody liar.

[anon50325502]

@Zeppelin795

Anytime someone suggests a program(Green New Deal)that will help the populace. The how you gonna pay for it question is always asked. As if the fed. budget is the same as a household. However this question is rarely, if ever asked about the wars or bank bailouts if I remember correctly.

You couldn’t fund 5% of the Green New Deal with every single dollar spent on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[H_factor]

@anon50325502

Prepare yourself. You’re now the enemy to Zeppy.

We’ve gone back and forth many times. I used to play the game. I don’t play the game much anymore. The best way to end the posts would be for no one to ever talk in them. Trolls don’t like it when they are ignored.

[dt79]

@Zeppelin795

So it is questioned that I’m not disabled. I guess that I’m just making it up.

How would I know? At this point, all I know for a fact is that you lie all the time. I even gave you the benefit of the doubt previously even though you were already lying about several things but you took kindness for weakness and doubled down on the lies. Why should I believe you just because you claim something to be true? Even if you want to virtue signal and try to make the case that I have a moral obligation to believe everyone who says they are disabled, that obligation to you expired when you kept on lying after being called out again and again.

[anon50325502]

But then we’ll miss out on the train wreck…

[H_factor]

I do miss when he changed the avatar more often. At least gave us something to look at besides weird posts.

[Basement_Gainz]

@anon50325502

whereas my pay has doubled in about 6 years.

Zero doubled is still zero my man.