Here is some documentation on how they plan out the use of the educational and mass media systems to alter cultural development.
http://www.ibe.unesco.org/fileadmin/user_upload/archive/policy/ICE_PDFs/REC_78_E.PDF
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
[quote]SHREDTODEATH wrote:
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
“If you think that is an exaggeration, get a copy of A People?s History of the United States by Howard Zinn and read it. As someone who used to read translations of official Communist newspapers in the days of the Soviet Union, I know that those papers? attempts to degrade the United States did not sink quite as low as Howard Zinn?s book.”
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/337103/role-educators-thomas-sowell[/quote]
Thats the exact text he is teaching from. I know its garbage but i see all the young minds around me eating it up as factual[/quote]
In addition to what beans and company have said, get used to feeling like this. In my more cynical moments I meditate on this and resign myself to the fact that we are lost.
On a completely unrelated note, my cynical moments seem to be taking up more and more percentage of my days lately. haha[/quote]
Get used to feeling like this? I say embrace it! If we’re going to be cynical here, you might as well take advantage of the system to get an easy A. OP, grading in liberal arts is very subjective (so can easily be bent in your favour or, just as easily, turn on you) and has taught me one valuable lesson that many others seem to continually struggle with: be a whore. Arguing with your prof gets you nowhere. Write your papers and exams as normal, but throw in a few leftist plugs and references to women’s rights and BAM! Up goes your GPA. If a mixture of cynicism and liberal arts classes has taught me anything about writing, it’s that the judgment of writing as “good” or “bad” is more based on whether the reader agrees with it than the actual quality of the arguments.
And all those poor 18-year-olds lost in his dogmatic teaching style? Fuck 'em. I wouldn’t worry about it. Most will likely be unaffected in the long term, and the ones who eat up his indoctrination will probably continue on in the liberal arts and end up with a worthless B.A. for their troubles. I wouldn’t worry too much about the views of the people who will one day be flipping my burgers and selling me computers.
[quote]Apoklyps wrote:
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
[quote]SHREDTODEATH wrote:
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
“If you think that is an exaggeration, get a copy of A People?s History of the United States by Howard Zinn and read it. As someone who used to read translations of official Communist newspapers in the days of the Soviet Union, I know that those papers? attempts to degrade the United States did not sink quite as low as Howard Zinn?s book.”
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/337103/role-educators-thomas-sowell[/quote]
Thats the exact text he is teaching from. I know its garbage but i see all the young minds around me eating it up as factual[/quote]
In addition to what beans and company have said, get used to feeling like this. In my more cynical moments I meditate on this and resign myself to the fact that we are lost.
On a completely unrelated note, my cynical moments seem to be taking up more and more percentage of my days lately. haha[/quote]
Get used to feeling like this? I say embrace it! If we’re going to be cynical here, you might as well take advantage of the system to get an easy A. OP, grading in liberal arts is very subjective (so can easily be bent in your favour or, just as easily, turn on you) and has taught me one valuable lesson that many others seem to continually struggle with: be a whore. Arguing with your prof gets you nowhere. Write your papers and exams as normal, but throw in a few leftist plugs and references to women’s rights and BAM! Up goes your GPA. If a mixture of cynicism and liberal arts classes has taught me anything about writing, it’s that the judgment of writing as “good” or “bad” is more based on whether the reader agrees with it than the actual quality of the arguments.
And all those poor 18-year-olds lost in his dogmatic teaching style? Fuck 'em. I wouldn’t worry about it. Most will likely be unaffected in the long term, and the ones who eat up his indoctrination will probably continue on in the liberal arts and end up with a worthless B.A. for their troubles. I wouldn’t worry too much about the views of the people who will one day be flipping my burgers and selling me computers.[/quote]
Finer points of selling out v buying in aside, these people vote for your representives too.
Sorry i havent updated in a while (work a graveyard shift plus fulltime school). As of late we have been learning about James Madison the fascist, he didnt outright say it but he didnt have to. I’ve decided to bite my tongue and just take the A. The amount of bullshit in class is a little overwhelming. Did you know racism didnt exist AT ALL until 1670’s when evil rich people made it up? I’ll update with further details as the semester progresses.
[quote]jj-dude wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]SHREDTODEATH wrote:
Like rascism was created [/quote]
Anyone that says this shouldn’t be teaching a college course.
Slavery was a means for “wealthy” to produce goods to bring to market. Nothing more, nothing less. Some saw it is a dying economic tools until things like the cotton gin came along and made the costs out weight the benefit. (Don’t know if I totally agree with that, read it in passing.)
Well, this is sort of true, but not in the context you put it. USofA was founded by educated smuggliers and tax evaders that were willing to risk life and limb to keep the fruits of their labor and be left alone/have more say by/in government. [/quote]
WTF. srsly W-T-F.
Slavery existed everywhere in human history and is one of the few bona fide culturally independent institutions that you could find. There were more slaves in India, e.g., in 1800 alone than had been in the US during the entire history of slavery. In 1865 about one-third of slave owners in New Orleans were black. Thomas Sowell wrote a very illuminating history of slavery which should be required reading for everyone.
You immediate charge that slavery was created for economic benefit smacks of Socialist theorizing, not history. No. Historically, slavery was a form of indentured servitude that lasted about 7 years. The rise of Mercantilism and quasi-state run enterprises in the 17th century gave rise to vast plantations in French and Spanish colonies. The British decided to get into the act and imposed heriditary slavery starting the 1670’s in its US possessions. At first they tried Indians, who ran off. The Irish (most slaves in the British Empire were Irish in the early 1600’s) died. Blacks were seen as premium workers and that is why they were imported.
It should be noted that Commerce, the conducting of business by mutually agreed contracts, was an Enlightenment concept. “Capitalism” was a term brought into general usage by the (National) Socialists during the 20’s to describe any non-state run business. Yes, when you use the word “capitalist” you are using textbook Nazi terminology and economic theories. You probably don’t intend this or realize it, but during the 1930’s it got embedded into the popular mindset as being progressive and the province of educated people. In point of fact too, the Gulag system in the USSR and later the forced labor camps in Germany were an attempt to recreate the state-run enterprises of the 17th century. Their avowed aim was to destroy the “Liberal” economic system that was taking root internationally.
North America was first settled by Puritans who had been brutally oppressed by the Crown, fled to the Netherlands and saw Europe descending into the Hell that was the Thirty Year’s War. (Half of the population of central Europe died between 1618 and 1648, btw.) They decided that European politics, religious strife and unrelenting warfare were repugnant and decided in what was a vaguely suicidal move to “make haste from Babylon”, so they could just live their lives. Later immigrants were of the same mindset. This tended to attract all the trash from Europe, such as the Catholics from Protestant lands, the Protestants from Catholic countries, Jews, Anabaptists and grimly oppressed minorities.
The result is that Europeans, especially more aristocratic ones (or wannabe aristocrats) “know” all sorts of stuff about Americans and anti-American philosophizing has been part of the intellectual landscape there for over 200 years. Even Jefferson and Franklin were extremely exasperated at the complete obtuseness of the Europeans. Our own intellectuals in the US parrot a lot of this and are in point of fact, shockingly ignorant of the most basic facts of American politics and history. Most of them even think that there are Left and Right Wings to politics here, the Socialists (Nazis) are the Liberals and the “liberals” are actually some form of Euro-socialist. For those of us that pay attention to History, the entire effect is Orwellian and surreal.
The OP just ran into this in college, where careers are made by writing up claptrap for academic journals that other peers sign off on. I work at a university as a researcher and the stupidity I deal with from the supposedly educated simply beggars belief. I have said before and will state again that some of the hands down dumbest people I have ever met had Ph. D. after their names.
– jj [/quote]
Thanks for this I might shoot some facts at him from time to time and see how he takes it.
“Unruly Americans and the Origins of the Constitution” our latest reading material I think it by a guy named holton? Have not even gave it a google yet.
[quote]Apoklyps wrote:
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
[quote]SHREDTODEATH wrote:
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
“If you think that is an exaggeration, get a copy of A People?s History of the United States by Howard Zinn and read it. As someone who used to read translations of official Communist newspapers in the days of the Soviet Union, I know that those papers? attempts to degrade the United States did not sink quite as low as Howard Zinn?s book.”
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/337103/role-educators-thomas-sowell[/quote]
Thats the exact text he is teaching from. I know its garbage but i see all the young minds around me eating it up as factual[/quote]
In addition to what beans and company have said, get used to feeling like this. In my more cynical moments I meditate on this and resign myself to the fact that we are lost.
On a completely unrelated note, my cynical moments seem to be taking up more and more percentage of my days lately. haha[/quote]
Get used to feeling like this? I say embrace it! If we’re going to be cynical here, you might as well take advantage of the system to get an easy A. OP, grading in liberal arts is very subjective (so can easily be bent in your favour or, just as easily, turn on you) and has taught me one valuable lesson that many others seem to continually struggle with: be a whore. Arguing with your prof gets you nowhere. Write your papers and exams as normal, but throw in a few leftist plugs and references to women’s rights and BAM! Up goes your GPA. If a mixture of cynicism and liberal arts classes has taught me anything about writing, it’s that the judgment of writing as “good” or “bad” is more based on whether the reader agrees with it than the actual quality of the arguments.
And all those poor 18-year-olds lost in his dogmatic teaching style? Fuck 'em. I wouldn’t worry about it. Most will likely be unaffected in the long term, and the ones who eat up his indoctrination will probably continue on in the liberal arts and end up with a worthless B.A. for their troubles. I wouldn’t worry too much about the views of the people who will one day be flipping my burgers and selling me computers.[/quote]
There is so much truth here it hurts to read it.
[quote]jj-dude wrote:
WTF. srsly W-T-F. [/quote]
Indeed.
Okay… Don’t believe I stated anything contradictory to any of this.
Not only did I not say what you are claiming I did, but you claim something I didn’t say is socialist… hmmm
Let me see if I get this… The Greeks were defending themselves from slave armies that would be free once their master took Greece?
Is this 7 year rule constant throughout history? Because, if not, your entire confrontation blathering about things I didn’t say suddenly becomes moot, in the context of reply to my post.
Okay… I would imagine your last statement, kinda lends a touch of validity to what I actually did say.
People had slaves, so the slaves could work for them to produce a product.
What?
Just one example… I’m kinda lost here. Pretty sure people have been trading for a lot longer than that. The “market” has been around for quite awhile.
Pretty sure the free market is older than 1920.
I believe that you assume I look down on smugglers and tax evaders, when the opposite would be true. In fact, my career is focused on doing just that, just within the bounds of the current laws…
I can see how my statement can be seen as anti-patriot, but in all reality, it isn’t. At least, not coming from me.
I largely think you just misunderstood a poorly written post of my.
Look, I’m not a histroy buff beyond some basics, but let my try and clarify my slave statement.
Whether it is a slave in your army, a slave in your factory or a slave in your crop field, it is still a slave. It is still a situation where one man, or group of men, with a higher standing controls another man or group of men. (Use of man and men is in the vein of mankind, not exclusive to people with a penis.)
Now these slaves are, and always have been used to produce something. Whether it be a monument, a city (by sacking it) or a bundle of cotten, the slaves are used to produce for the “wealthy” indidvidual. Wealthy doesn’t have to be in terms of money, the man with the higher standing is “wealthy.”
That is what I’m getting at.
I’m probably one of the older guys here and got my undergrad in Texas as well. A few years ago, I experienced the opposite realization that my undergrad education had edited out fascist history. I studied architecture and as part of that, thought I got a very thorough education in the world’s architectual history.
A few years ago, I had to go to Milan, Italy on a business trip. As we were being taken to our hotel, a guide was pointing out all the fine examples of ‘Fascist Architecture’ along the way. WTF?? It was the first time I had ever heard of 'Fascist Architecture"!! I thought it was funny as hell that the whole chapter related to european fascism had gone missing.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Then he’s a history imbecile.
Slavery has been engraved in cultures on every continent for all of human history. It has nothing to do with the color of one’s skin in the big picture.[/quote]
Exactly. We - we, being Westerners - inherited slavery as part of our civilization, a wrong that had been with us for eons. The issue isn’t that we had it - the question is, what did we do with it?
And we extinguished it, which was an incredible human achievement, especially in light of the times.
(see…we agree on stuff :))
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Then he’s a history imbecile.
Slavery has been engraved in cultures on every continent for all of human history. It has nothing to do with the color of one’s skin in the big picture.[/quote]
Exactly. We - we, being Westerners - inherited slavery as part of our civilization, a wrong that had been with us for eons. The issue isn’t that we had it - the question is, what did we do with it?
And we extinguished it, which was an incredible human achievement, especially in light of the times.
(see…we agree on stuff :))[/quote]
Yep, we’re plumb agreeable on lots of stuff. Where we ain’t…you’re wrong.
:-)[/quote]
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Then he’s a history imbecile.
Slavery has been engraved in cultures on every continent for all of human history. It has nothing to do with the color of one’s skin in the big picture.[/quote]
Exactly. We - we, being Westerners - inherited slavery as part of our civilization, a wrong that had been with us for eons. The issue isn’t that we had it - the question is, what did we do with it?
And we extinguished it, which was an incredible human achievement, especially in light of the times.
(see…we agree on stuff :))[/quote]
I agree with this, but it should be noted that the Atlantic trade marked a resurgence of the kind of chattel slavery that had been close to universal in antiquity but had phased out as a major characteristic of Western tradition by the time of the High Middle Ages (replaced by the only marginally preferable arrangement of serfdom).
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Then he’s a history imbecile.
Slavery has been engraved in cultures on every continent for all of human history. It has nothing to do with the color of one’s skin in the big picture.[/quote]
Exactly. We - we, being Westerners - inherited slavery as part of our civilization, a wrong that had been with us for eons. The issue isn’t that we had it - the question is, what did we do with it?
And we extinguished it, which was an incredible human achievement, especially in light of the times.
(see…we agree on stuff :))[/quote]
I agree with this, but it should be noted that the Atlantic trade marked a resurgence of the kind of chattel slavery that had been close to universal in antiquity but had phased out as a major characteristic of Western tradition by the time of the High Middle Ages (replaced by the only marginally preferable arrangement of serfdom).[/quote]
The Atlantic trade was an extension of the Arab trade that had been in existence for millenia across the Middle East, Asia and Africa.
In the Western Hemisphere native Americans had also institutionalized slavery for millenia well before and after 1492. They learned nothing new from Europeans.
Also, there wasn’t necessarily any true “phasing out” like you mentioned. Ask the Irish and the eastern Europeans, among others. Western Europeans merely refined and expanded the market because, well, they were real good at doing that type of thing in that era. They were mercantilism and exploration extraordinaires.[/quote]
Indeed, I’m not trying to shine the light away from slavery’s preexistence in Africa. But it is true that slavery fell vastly out of vogue in most of medieval Christendom (and certainly in the cultural centers) by the time of the High Scholastic movement–a move that was prefigured centuries before, as with Justinian’s Code which described slavery as antithetical to the laws of nature; and Charlemagne who, despite pining as he did to recall the spirit of Rome and empire, worked to limit the slave trade’s scope and depth in the Carolingian territories.
And then it all came careering back to the West, with a nasty, intensified racial element. This is my point–that to simply say that slavery had always been a staple of Western social arrangement with no detractors is an oversimplification.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
Indeed, I’m not trying to shine the light away from slavery’s preexistence in Africa…
[/quote]
You’re not. “They” are.
And you’ll probably rarely hear that native Americans practiced absolutely brutal forms of slavery, and I’m not just talking about the Aztecs. The Iroquois, Sioux, Comanche, Apache, Hawaiians and a whole host of others could make the typical white Mississippi plantation owner look like Mother Theresa in comparison. But you won’t learn about that in American college history courses, will you?
You’ll also rarely hear that many blacks as well as Indians (Creeks and Cherokee in particular) were legal slaveholders in the American South as well as across the Caribbean.
But…the history revisionists have an agenda and certainly won’t let the facts get in the way of a good agenda.
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I agree, though if you go to the right university–or, more importantly, take the right professor–you will learn all of these things. I took a Mesoamerican anthro course that was basically a catalogue of atrocities–I mean serious atrocities-- committed by the indigenous.