CNN: How Racist is America?

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
ALDurr wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
ALDurr wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Maybe you haven’t been keeping up with current events. In the Tiki Barber thread, 3 black gents contend that a compliment to whites is an insult to blacks. Are we racist and not even aware of it?

Which 3 black gents are you talking about? Harris isn’t black, he’s Jewish.

I never knew that being black and being Jewish excluded each other! Fascinating!

He has stated numerous times that he is not black and that he is Jewish. Are you purposely being obtuse?

Oh really? He has stated that his avatar looks like him. Too much time in the tanning booth?

He should actually have chosen one of the cenobites from Hellraiser, to reflect his personality.

Al, go over again how a black person can’t be jewish. I don’t get it. Can you explain that to me in more depth?

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Did he really state that his avatar looks like him? Or did he just say some smartass comment to you? I happen to know that his avatar is Ultimate Nick Fury, which is a comic book character. Harris is a self-professed comic book geek.

I NEVER said anything about how a black person can’t be Jewish. Once again, you are putting words in my mouth, you fucking lunatic. I said that Harris SAID he wasn’t black and that HE SAID he was Jewish. I am going by what he said. You, on the other hand, are making shit up again. For a teacher, you sure have problems with reading comprehension.

However, if I am wrong, I’ll conceed that point to you. Harris, if you are reading this, please set the record straight.

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[quote]ALDurr wrote:
Listen sugarbritches,[/quote]

In discussions about race, this term has been superseded by “Sugartits.”

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[quote]ALDurr wrote:
Steel Nation wrote:
ALDurr wrote:
Fullback33 wrote:
I would love to see the reference to the use of the n-word from 400 yrs. ago to refer to anything to which the term ‘black’ doesn’t refer. Only the one ‘Americanized’ version got the stigma, and only here in America. Negger, Negre, Negro, etc. are all still legitimately used in other countries for their intended meanings. Also, 300-400 yrs. ago, the Irish were being brutalized and enslaved by Oliver Cromwell and though it would later become a convictable offense to use the word Roundhead, no one today would bat an eye at its use (if they even understood it).-Lucasa

This is precisely my point. Irish people were abused as well here, it’s just not as widely publicised. If I said I don’t like Irish people, people would say I am silly. If I said on here I don’t like black people, I would be flamed for being “evil” and “racist”. Both situations are stupid, but think about which one more people would get upset about. That is what I don’t like about the subject.

Hating a group of people is evil no matter who’s the target of the hate. But for your information, Irish is an ethnic group, not a race, so it would be inccorrect to say you were racist because you don’t like Irish people.

I hate to tell ya, cupcake, but black people are an ethnic group too, not a race.

Listen sugarbritches, it’s not as simple as you would like to make it.

“Black” can be a racial, ethnic, societal or cultural classification. There are a variety of racial, socio-political and biological factors can influence the definition of a “black person”. Irish, on the other hand, is not as complicated. For your edification, the Irish are a European ethnic group who originated in Ireland which is in north western Europe.

So black can be a racial classification, where as Irish cannot. In other words, STFU. Do your homework before you jump in. It keeps you from looking as dumb as you do right now.
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So we can make fun of people as long as it isn’t “racial”? Or as long as they aren’t black? Which is it?

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[quote]ALDurr wrote:

I NEVER said anything about how a black person can’t be Jewish. Once again, you are putting words in my mouth, you fucking lunatic. I said that Harris SAID he wasn’t black and that HE SAID he was Jewish. I am going by what he said. You, on the other hand, are making shit up again. For a teacher, you sure have problems with reading comprehension.

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You said Harris is ‘not black, he’s jewish’. This means that a man can be black or jewish, but not both.

Sammy Davis Jr. not withstanding…

Besides confusing being critical of a person who happens to be black with racism, you also don’t understand the words you type. Or were you so anxious to attack me that you had a brain-fart?

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[quote]Fullback33 wrote:
ALDurr wrote:
Steel Nation wrote:
ALDurr wrote:
Fullback33 wrote:
I would love to see the reference to the use of the n-word from 400 yrs. ago to refer to anything to which the term ‘black’ doesn’t refer. Only the one ‘Americanized’ version got the stigma, and only here in America. Negger, Negre, Negro, etc. are all still legitimately used in other countries for their intended meanings. Also, 300-400 yrs. ago, the Irish were being brutalized and enslaved by Oliver Cromwell and though it would later become a convictable offense to use the word Roundhead, no one today would bat an eye at its use (if they even understood it).-Lucasa

This is precisely my point. Irish people were abused as well here, it’s just not as widely publicised. If I said I don’t like Irish people, people would say I am silly. If I said on here I don’t like black people, I would be flamed for being “evil” and “racist”. Both situations are stupid, but think about which one more people would get upset about. That is what I don’t like about the subject.

Hating a group of people is evil no matter who’s the target of the hate. But for your information, Irish is an ethnic group, not a race, so it would be inccorrect to say you were racist because you don’t like Irish people.

I hate to tell ya, cupcake, but black people are an ethnic group too, not a race.

Listen sugarbritches, it’s not as simple as you would like to make it.

“Black” can be a racial, ethnic, societal or cultural classification. There are a variety of racial, socio-political and biological factors can influence the definition of a “black person”. Irish, on the other hand, is not as complicated. For your edification, the Irish are a European ethnic group who originated in Ireland which is in north western Europe.

So black can be a racial classification, where as Irish cannot. In other words, STFU. Do your homework before you jump in. It keeps you from looking as dumb as you do right now.

So we can make fun of people as long as it isn’t “racial”? Or as long as they aren’t black? Which is it?
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Common sense will confuse Al. Also, in his culture, a compliment is really an insult if a white guy says it about a black dude. (See the Tiki Barber thread). Now, if a white man uses the N word to a black person, that’s horribly insulting. If a black person says it, then its a term of light-hearted affection.

So words have no objective meaning at all and communication is impossible. Which means that this post couldn’t have been written at all…?

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“Which 3 black gents are you talking about? Harris isn’t black, he’s Jewish. So that removes one of the people that you are talking about.”

— from an AlDurr post above

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
ALDurr wrote:

I NEVER said anything about how a black person can’t be Jewish. Once again, you are putting words in my mouth, you fucking lunatic. I said that Harris SAID he wasn’t black and that HE SAID he was Jewish. I am going by what he said. You, on the other hand, are making shit up again. For a teacher, you sure have problems with reading comprehension.

You said Harris is ‘not black, he’s jewish’. This means that a man can be black or jewish, but not both.

Sammy Davis Jr. not withstanding…

Besides confusing being critical of a person who happens to be black with racism, you also don’t understand the words you type. Or were you so anxious to attack me that you had a brain-fart?[/quote]

Is English your first language? It means he is not black, but Jewish instead. Based on what Harris has said, it’s true.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
“Which 3 black gents are you talking about? Harris isn’t black, he’s Jewish. So that removes one of the people that you are talking about.”

— from an AlDurr post above
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That’s great. Awesome. Let’s see what happens when we remove “he’s Jewish”.

“Which 3 black gents are you talking about? Harris isn’t black. So that removes one of the people that you are talking about.”

— from an AlDurr post above

Oh gee. I think we’ve found the point. Now you can get back to arguing about racism instead of arguing about some guy’s skin color.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
In the Tiki Barber thread, 3 black gents contend that a compliment to whites is an insult to blacks. [/quote]

Is harris black? Noooo, I thought he was white pretending to be black. Okay…whatever.

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Years ago when I worked on a cruise ship, we did a 4 day Jamaican cruise that seemed to attract about 90% of its passengers from the South-Eastern areas of the US. All of them coloured.

Now, many of the people from this area have a certain way about them, it seems. They may not be rude, but they don’t display the types of manners that many of us were accustomed to. Most of the employees that I worked with were from areas of the world that don’t have as many ‘black people’. Areas like Mexico, Italy, etc.

These employees WERE “racist”, or “prejudice”, or whatever you want to call it against these passengers. Although, none of these feelings had anything to do with the colour of their skin…directly, they couldn’t help but think that all ‘black’ people in America were the same way.

You could say that these employees were simply ignorant, but so what. All of us are to some degree.

My point of this whole little story is that being racist is really a relative term. If you live in Detroit and say you don’t like the ‘black people’ there, or ‘white people’ there for that matter, does that automatically make you racist?

It’s a fact that people who grow up in the same area are often very similar, regardless of what colour they are. If you don’t like people from that area, for whatever reason, isn’t that your choice?

If they happen to be coloured, are you automatically racist?

What if you don’t like ‘black’ kids, or entertainers that dress like thugs and perpetuate the notion of shooting people. Does that make you racist? What if you don’t like ‘white’,or ‘asian’ kids, and entertainers that do it either!

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[quote]grew7 wrote:

Is English your first language? It means he is not black, but Jewish instead. Based on what Harris has said, it’s true.

Headhunter wrote:
“Which 3 black gents are you talking about? Harris isn’t black, he’s Jewish. So that removes one of the people that you are talking about.”

— from an AlDurr post above

That’s great. Awesome. Let’s see what happens when we remove “he’s Jewish”.

“Which 3 black gents are you talking about? Harris isn’t black. So that removes one of the people that you are talking about.”

— from an AlDurr post above

Oh gee. I think we’ve found the point. Now you can get back to arguing about racism instead of arguing about some guy’s skin color.[/quote]

Here’s another one…Judaism is a RELIGION, not a race. Neither you nor Al picked up on that.

There are people who are of THE JEWISH FAITH who also happen to be black. Al presented it as an either/or…which means he DOESN’T KNOW WHAT HE’S TALKING ABOUT! Or maybe he stereotypes people…hmmm…which is it?

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As per the OP… VERY

The rest of the drivel in this thread just hurt to read. Nuthunter, perhaps you should find a hobby, other than agitating these poor forums into a mud slinging shitfest…

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Headhunter I’m curious, is that Malcolm X in your avatar?

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
grew7 wrote:

Is English your first language? It means he is not black, but Jewish instead. Based on what Harris has said, it’s true.

Headhunter wrote:
“Which 3 black gents are you talking about? Harris isn’t black, he’s Jewish. So that removes one of the people that you are talking about.”

— from an AlDurr post above

That’s great. Awesome. Let’s see what happens when we remove “he’s Jewish”.

“Which 3 black gents are you talking about? Harris isn’t black. So that removes one of the people that you are talking about.”

— from an AlDurr post above

Oh gee. I think we’ve found the point. Now you can get back to arguing about racism instead of arguing about some guy’s skin color.

Here’s another one…Judaism is a RELIGION, not a race. Neither you nor Al picked up on that.

There are people who are of THE JEWISH FAITH who also happen to be black. Al presented it as an either/or…which means he DOESN’T KNOW WHAT HE’S TALKING ABOUT! Or maybe he stereotypes people…hmmm…which is it?

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That’s nice.

Is he black?

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[quote]grew7 wrote:
Oh gee. I think we’ve found the point. Now you can get back to arguing about racism instead of arguing about some guy’s skin color.

Here’s another one…Judaism is a RELIGION, not a race. Neither you nor Al picked up on that.

There are people who are of THE JEWISH FAITH who also happen to be black. Al presented it as an either/or…which means he DOESN’T KNOW WHAT HE’S TALKING ABOUT! Or maybe he stereotypes people…hmmm…which is it?

That’s nice.

Is he black?[/quote]

Don’t know. Is Sammy Davis Jr (who was jewish) black?

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[quote]der FrostBack77 wrote:
Headhunter I’m curious, is that Malcolm X in your avatar? [/quote]

No, its Cedric the Entertainer.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Fullback33 wrote:
ALDurr wrote:
Steel Nation wrote:
ALDurr wrote:
Fullback33 wrote:
I would love to see the reference to the use of the n-word from 400 yrs. ago to refer to anything to which the term ‘black’ doesn’t refer. Only the one ‘Americanized’ version got the stigma, and only here in America. Negger, Negre, Negro, etc. are all still legitimately used in other countries for their intended meanings. Also, 300-400 yrs. ago, the Irish were being brutalized and enslaved by Oliver Cromwell and though it would later become a convictable offense to use the word Roundhead, no one today would bat an eye at its use (if they even understood it).-Lucasa

This is precisely my point. Irish people were abused as well here, it’s just not as widely publicised. If I said I don’t like Irish people, people would say I am silly. If I said on here I don’t like black people, I would be flamed for being “evil” and “racist”. Both situations are stupid, but think about which one more people would get upset about. That is what I don’t like about the subject.

Hating a group of people is evil no matter who’s the target of the hate. But for your information, Irish is an ethnic group, not a race, so it would be inccorrect to say you were racist because you don’t like Irish people.

I hate to tell ya, cupcake, but black people are an ethnic group too, not a race.

Listen sugarbritches, it’s not as simple as you would like to make it.

“Black” can be a racial, ethnic, societal or cultural classification. There are a variety of racial, socio-political and biological factors can influence the definition of a “black person”. Irish, on the other hand, is not as complicated. For your edification, the Irish are a European ethnic group who originated in Ireland which is in north western Europe.

So black can be a racial classification, where as Irish cannot. In other words, STFU. Do your homework before you jump in. It keeps you from looking as dumb as you do right now.

So we can make fun of people as long as it isn’t “racial”? Or as long as they aren’t black? Which is it?

Common sense will confuse Al. Also, in his culture, a compliment is really an insult if a white guy says it about a black dude. (See the Tiki Barber thread). Now, if a white man uses the N word to a black person, that’s horribly insulting. If a black person says it, then its a term of light-hearted affection.

So words have no objective meaning at all and communication is impossible. Which means that this post couldn’t have been written at all…?

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Common sense and Headhunter should never be used in the same sentence. They are opposite ends of the spectrum.

Again, you put words in my mouth and then post them on this board. I NEVER said using the n-word was acceptable for ANYONE to use. If you can prove that, then do so. Otherwise, give it a rest.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
grew7 wrote:

Is English your first language? It means he is not black, but Jewish instead. Based on what Harris has said, it’s true.

Headhunter wrote:
“Which 3 black gents are you talking about? Harris isn’t black, he’s Jewish. So that removes one of the people that you are talking about.”

— from an AlDurr post above

That’s great. Awesome. Let’s see what happens when we remove “he’s Jewish”.

“Which 3 black gents are you talking about? Harris isn’t black. So that removes one of the people that you are talking about.”

— from an AlDurr post above

Oh gee. I think we’ve found the point. Now you can get back to arguing about racism instead of arguing about some guy’s skin color.

Here’s another one…Judaism is a RELIGION, not a race. Neither you nor Al picked up on that.

There are people who are of THE JEWISH FAITH who also happen to be black. Al presented it as an either/or…which means he DOESN’T KNOW WHAT HE’S TALKING ABOUT! Or maybe he stereotypes people…hmmm…which is it?

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I have explained what I meant over and over again and you still post lies about me. You are truly pathetic.

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[quote]Fullback33 wrote:
So we can make fun of people as long as it isn’t “racial”? Or as long as they aren’t black? Which is it?
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You can make fun of whoever you want to. Just be prepared to deal with the consequences of your actions. Not everybody will take it the way YOU want them to.

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[quote]ALDurr wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Fullback33 wrote:
ALDurr wrote:
Steel Nation wrote:
ALDurr wrote:
Fullback33 wrote:
I would love to see the reference to the use of the n-word from 400 yrs. ago to refer to anything to which the term ‘black’ doesn’t refer. Only the one ‘Americanized’ version got the stigma, and only here in America. Negger, Negre, Negro, etc. are all still legitimately used in other countries for their intended meanings. Also, 300-400 yrs. ago, the Irish were being brutalized and enslaved by Oliver Cromwell and though it would later become a convictable offense to use the word Roundhead, no one today would bat an eye at its use (if they even understood it).-Lucasa

This is precisely my point. Irish people were abused as well here, it’s just not as widely publicised. If I said I don’t like Irish people, people would say I am silly. If I said on here I don’t like black people, I would be flamed for being “evil” and “racist”. Both situations are stupid, but think about which one more people would get upset about. That is what I don’t like about the subject.

Hating a group of people is evil no matter who’s the target of the hate. But for your information, Irish is an ethnic group, not a race, so it would be inccorrect to say you were racist because you don’t like Irish people.

I hate to tell ya, cupcake, but black people are an ethnic group too, not a race.

Listen sugarbritches, it’s not as simple as you would like to make it.

“Black” can be a racial, ethnic, societal or cultural classification. There are a variety of racial, socio-political and biological factors can influence the definition of a “black person”. Irish, on the other hand, is not as complicated. For your edification, the Irish are a European ethnic group who originated in Ireland which is in north western Europe.

So black can be a racial classification, where as Irish cannot. In other words, STFU. Do your homework before you jump in. It keeps you from looking as dumb as you do right now.

So we can make fun of people as long as it isn’t “racial”? Or as long as they aren’t black? Which is it?

Common sense will confuse Al. Also, in his culture, a compliment is really an insult if a white guy says it about a black dude. (See the Tiki Barber thread). Now, if a white man uses the N word to a black person, that’s horribly insulting. If a black person says it, then its a term of light-hearted affection.

So words have no objective meaning at all and communication is impossible. Which means that this post couldn’t have been written at all…?

Common sense and Headhunter should never be used in the same sentence. They are opposite ends of the spectrum.

Again, you put words in my mouth and then post them on this board. I NEVER said using the n-word was acceptable for ANYONE to use. If you can prove that, then do so. Otherwise, give it a rest.[/quote]

The difference is that the word Cracker is just funny and the N-word is not!

Just kidding! Both relate to slavery and both are equally offensive; one implies you are a slave and the other implies you are a slave owner. So they both are divisive terms.

So instead of using these terms that denigrate an entire race of people, we should use terms that just denigrate the individual. So let’s replace the N-word with “butt-head” and the cracker word with “douche-nozzle”!

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I’m optimistic about racism personally. I honestly don’t think I’ve seen much of it in the younger generation. I don’t know, I live in San Diego, so there’s a lot of diversity, and generally people don’t seem to take racist comments seriously. They are laughed at because of their stupidity.

For instance, me and my friends often use racial slurs (and no, we’re not all the same race), but they are used to laugh at the idea that there is some truth to them, when clearly their isn’t.