Clinton Puts the Smack Down on Fox

Did anyone pay attention to Mushareef this week?

Anyone listen to what he said and didn’t say?

Anyone watch his body language?

For the “Bush lied, everyone’s aunt died” crowd, tell me again how we get bin laden?

I saw that my pal, tme, wrote that Bush pardoned bin laden. What an incredible statement. It illustrates the depths of psychosis some clowns have when you say George W. Bush.

Have you guys seen Monty Python and the Holy Grail?

If you have, recall the scene where the guys cringe everytime someone says, “NI.”

I’d like to chase after lumpy, tme, pox, and the rest of the cabal and yell, “George W. Bush.”

They’d cringe and their brains would freeze up.

JeffR

[quote]mazilla wrote:
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/24/clinton-video/

ZING!
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Clinton planned this outburst as a way to try and give the Dem’s help in the upcoming elections. The Dem’s are typically seen as weak on defense and just lacking a pair in general. So Bill acting like he has a pair was just a political stunt. The truth is that neither side has gone after Bin like they should before 9/11.

Ok. I’ve come to the conclusion that there was no republican movement charging Clinton of being obsessed with Bin Laden. Seems to be some criticisms with Kosovo, and an Iraq strike. But, we’re looking at the Bin Laden Charge. Next question, did Clarke pass on a plan?

BB,

The WSJ editorial page does not have any credibility outside your right wingnuttery.

Nice try.

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Ok. I’ve come to the conclusion that there was no republican movement charging Clinton of being obsessed with Bin Laden. Seems to be some criticisms with Kosovo, and an Iraq strike. But, we’re looking at the Bin Laden Charge. Next question, did Clarke pass on a plan?[/quote]

Yes, Clarke did pass on a plan that included steps to included Pakistan.

Condi Rice lied and the document is out there for public review.

Clinton did try but was not successful and Bush did not try at all.

But it is Clinton’s fault.

[quote]Marmadogg wrote:
BB,

The WSJ editorial page does not have any credibility outside your right wingnuttery.

Nice try.[/quote]

Yes, I forget marmadogg, you are the artiber of nuttiness – couldn’t be a more fitting judge…

Anyway, I blame the fact that you hold the idea that you can dismiss that list of facts by claiming it came from “right wingnuttery” on whoever failed to teach you logic.

Whether what Clinton said was true or not, I don’t know, but he did do a good job on the interview. Besides it is silly to go back a place blame on him, Bush or anyone else for that matter. This stuff goes way back historically and the real blame lies with the nut jobs making a career out of killing us. That is where the focus should squarly be.

Who in the 1990’s know knew much if anything about osama? I didn’t pay them much attention for sure. I was actually more worried about China at the time.

[quote]tme wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Bush pardoned bin Laden?

Pretty much.

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You are irrational.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
tme wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Bush pardoned bin Laden?

Pretty much.

You are irrational.[/quote]

Me? Or the guy who refused to send in support troops when bin Laden was cornered at Tora Bora? The guy who pulled resources away from finding bin Laden to go and satisfy a personal ego trip in Iraq? The guy who said:

“I don’t know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority.”

  • G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

“I am truly not that concerned about him.”

  • G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden’s whereabouts,
    3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)

Sounds as good as a “pardon” to me.

[quote]Marmadogg wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Ok. I’ve come to the conclusion that there was no republican movement charging Clinton of being obsessed with Bin Laden. Seems to be some criticisms with Kosovo, and an Iraq strike. But, we’re looking at the Bin Laden Charge. Next question, did Clarke pass on a plan?

Yes, Clarke did pass on a plan that included steps to included Pakistan.

Condi Rice lied and the document is out there for public review.

Clinton did try but was not successful and Bush did not try at all.

But it is Clinton’s fault.[/quote]

I don’t seem to be able to find this plan. Do you have a link? I’d like to see it.

[quote]tme wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
tme wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Bush pardoned bin Laden?

Pretty much.

You are irrational.

Me? Or the guy who refused to send in support troops when bin Laden was cornered at Tora Bora? The guy who pulled resources away from finding bin Laden to go and satisfy a personal ego trip in Iraq? The guy who said:

“I don’t know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority.”

  • G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

“I am truly not that concerned about him.”

  • G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden’s whereabouts,
    3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)

Sounds as good as a “pardon” to me.

[/quote]

tme, what do you read?

Is this the best you have?

Shall I post the speeches in their entirety, AGAIN. When read, you will clearly see he didn’t think bin laden was in charge of al qaeda operations at the time of the speeches.

He said he was sitting in a cave.

Imagine if he would have said, “I’m only focusing on bin laden. I’m obsessed with killing him. I’ll leave no stone unturned and will use the entire military apparatus for the sole purpose of killing him.”

Therefore, I guarantee that you and your little band would have castigated him for focusing on one man sitting in a cave to the exclusion of the greater threat.

You would have accused him of a “vendetta.” You would have accused him of not being sophisticated enough to understand the greater threat.

I can anticipate your petulant sniping with complete accuracy.

Oh, give everyone a monster freakin’ break.

If you truly think Bush doesn’t want to get bin laden, then one must postulate that he cannot imagine the positive press that would generate for him.

Therefore, if he is as big an amateur as you seem to be indicating, imagine where that places your beloved democrats?

How many victories against your organization does he have?

He owns you.

Are you admitting that you are really that pathetic?

JeffR

[quote]JeffRo wrote:

[…more pom-pom waving and other senseless blather…]

JeffRo

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you go, jeffy

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
Marmadogg wrote:
BB,

The WSJ editorial page does not have any credibility outside your right wingnuttery.

Nice try.

Yes, I forget marmadogg, you are the arbiter of nuttiness – couldn’t be a more fitting judge…

Anyway, I blame the fact that you hold the idea that you can dismiss that list of facts by claiming it came from “right wingnuttery” on whoever failed to teach you logic.[/quote]

I watched the interview again. Upon this second viewing, this time not surprised by Clinton’s reaction, one thing occured to me: Bush deals with these types of questions daily and does not react like this.

Along with that, “right wing” pundits do not come out of the woodwork to call the questioners “monkeys” (ala Keith Olbermann). On the contrary, when this happens to Bush or Cheney or Rumsfeld or Rice it’s called “tough but fair” or “hard-hitting journalism”.

I’ve seen interviews with Bush that cause me to cringe, not only because Bush’s reaction is often not great, but because of the behavior and obvious agenda of the person/people asking the questions. It usually gets pretty ugly when Bush gets in front of the White House Press Corps.

Yet I’ve not seen Bush wag his finger and talk about a “hit-piece” and tell them that they are trying to “get (sic) their bones” through this kind of interview.

Clinton is not used to being questioned to this degree. He is not used to an interview like this. He expected to be (rightly) praised about one of his charitable activities. And he got blindsided.

I don’t agree with this type of journalism. I hate it. Pretty much, I am disgusted by the entire “profession”. Journalists’ behavior is often reprehensible in my view. This goes for O’Reilly and Hannity and Couric and Rather. The only thing that’s different is the side they support.

I also have little problem with Clinton these days. I loved his and G. H. W. Bush’s work after Katrina. I thought his speech at the DNC was measured and effective. Personality-wise I think I’d like to sit down and bullshit with the guy about any number of things. He is a smart man and he deserves admiration and - above all - repect.

But like all of us, he’s also deserving of some criticism. The problem that I have is with those out there who think he’s beyond criticism. He’s portrayed as a saint that cannot be touched.

Clinton played key roles in welfare reform and some of his domestic policies spurred great economic growth. I’m a conservative and I can say that because I feel it’s true. I can also say that Bush does not show conservatism in his domestic policy (in some ways less so than Clinton) and I have issues with some aspects of his foreign policy.

My point is that there is good and bad in all people, especially presidents.

All bullshit aside. You can’t paint anyone as perfect, and the higher your status the more open you are to criticism and the more tough questions you are going to have to answer. Let’s not come down on the person asking the tough questions. Actually, I’m all for it if we do come down on them. Let’s just come down on ALL of them (if they don’t do it right and if they don’t do it with the respect that BOTH Clinton and Bush deserve).

One last thing. The only real problem I had with Chris Wallace is that he addressed Clinton as Mr. Clinton a few times. He’s “Mr. President” in my view. Just as Bush is and will always be. I think they deserve that much respect. But, that’s probably just me.

[quote]Hack Wilson wrote:
I watched the interview again. Upon this second viewing, this time not surprised by Clinton’s reaction, one thing occured to me: Bush deals with these types of questions daily and does not react like this. [/quote]

How often does Bush give a non-rehearsed interview? The closest thing to it that I have seen would be press conferences where he can pick and choose who he calls on. If there are any interviews like that, I would love to see them because I am more than sure there would be much more dead air.

His interview had the exact effect that Clinton wanted. His entire tactic shows thinking ahead of his interviewer. Unlike our current president, no one has ever questioned Clinton’s intelligence. They may question his motives, his impulses, or his actions behind the scenes, but the man isn’t stupid by any means and for you to not be able to realize this shows what level you are working on.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Hack Wilson wrote:
I watched the interview again. Upon this second viewing, this time not surprised by Clinton’s reaction, one thing occured to me: Bush deals with these types of questions daily and does not react like this.

How often does Bush give a non-rehearsed interview? The closest thing to it that I have seen would be press conferences where he can pick and choose who he calls on. If there are any interviews like that, I would love to see them because I am more than sure there would be much more dead air.

His interview had the exact effect that Clinton wanted. His entire tactic shows thinking ahead of his interviewer. Unlike our current president, no one has ever questioned Clinton’s intelligence. They may question his motives, his impulses, or his actions behind the scenes, but the man isn’t stupid by any means and for you to not be able to realize this shows what level you are working on.[/quote]

you didn’t read my entire post, did you?

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Hack Wilson wrote:
I watched the interview again. Upon this second viewing, this time not surprised by Clinton’s reaction, one thing occured to me: Bush deals with these types of questions daily and does not react like this.

How often does Bush give a non-rehearsed interview? The closest thing to it that I have seen would be press conferences where he can pick and choose who he calls on. If there are any interviews like that, I would love to see them because I am more than sure there would be much more dead air.

His interview had the exact effect that Clinton wanted. His entire tactic shows thinking ahead of his interviewer. Unlike our current president, no one has ever questioned Clinton’s intelligence. They may question his motives, his impulses, or his actions behind the scenes, but the man isn’t stupid by any means and for you to not be able to realize this shows what level you are working on.[/quote]

what level am i working on? what does that even mean?

i really do hope you did not read my entire post. i think i stated that - all bullshit aside - i have no problem with cliton, i mentioned that he’s a smart man and deserves respect. yet i get attacked for saying something, ANYTHING critical of clinton? come on.

my main point was that i have a problem with interviewers in general. NOT clinton. i THINK he got blindsided! but that’s what journalists DO. i have some idea. that’s what my degree is in and most of my friends from college are in the profession. i - thankfully - am not.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Unlike our current president, no one has ever questioned Clinton’s intelligence.[/quote]

They question Bush’s intelligence due to the fact that he is a poor public speaker. Does beig a poor public speaker make someone unintelligent?

[quote]
They may question his motives, his impulses, or his actions behind the scenes, but the man isn’t stupid by any means and for you to not be able to realize this shows what level you are working on.[/quote]

I think Clinton is probably a VERY intelligent individual. Crooked, but very intelligent. I wish Bush was half the public communicator that Clinton is.

[quote]Hack Wilson wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Hack Wilson wrote:
I watched the interview again. Upon this second viewing, this time not surprised by Clinton’s reaction, one thing occured to me: Bush deals with these types of questions daily and does not react like this.

How often does Bush give a non-rehearsed interview? The closest thing to it that I have seen would be press conferences where he can pick and choose who he calls on. If there are any interviews like that, I would love to see them because I am more than sure there would be much more dead air.

His interview had the exact effect that Clinton wanted. His entire tactic shows thinking ahead of his interviewer. Unlike our current president, no one has ever questioned Clinton’s intelligence. They may question his motives, his impulses, or his actions behind the scenes, but the man isn’t stupid by any means and for you to not be able to realize this shows what level you are working on.

what level am i working on? what does that even mean?

i really do hope you did not read my entire post. i think i stated that - all bullshit aside - i have no problem with cliton, i mentioned that he’s a smart man and deserves respect. yet i get attacked for saying something, ANYTHING critical of clinton? come on.

my main point was that i have a problem with interviewers in general. NOT clinton. i THINK he got blindsided! but that’s what journalists DO. i have some idea. that’s what my degree is in and most of my friends from college are in the profession. i - thankfully - am not.

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I don’t think the man was blind-sided at all. I think he expected it and was prepared for it. That is the kind of person he strikes me as. I agree that journalism as a whole has lost any sort of integrity, at least in my opinion. They go after whatever gets more ratings, even if it means announcing that an Olympic athlete had been found GUILTY of drug use…while ignoring her innocence found later completely. It is sickening. What is even more sickening is republicans acting as if it is a “liberal problem” while ignoring the fact that occurs with ALL of them as a whole regardless of political stance.

[quote]bigflamer wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Unlike our current president, no one has ever questioned Clinton’s intelligence.

They question Bush’s intelligence due to the fact that he is a poor public speaker. Does beig a poor public speaker make someone unintelligent?

They may question his motives, his impulses, or his actions behind the scenes, but the man isn’t stupid by any means and for you to not be able to realize this shows what level you are working on.

I think Clinton is probably a VERY intelligent individual. Crooked, but very intelligent. I wish Bush was half the public communicator that Clinton is.

[/quote]

We don’t disagree on this. Bush is a poor public speaker and his actions while speaking do not usually denote “extreme intelligence”. If the man is secretly a genius, it may just remain a secret.