Climate Change a Hoax?

[quote]Ricochet wrote:
Pretty presumptuous of mankind to think that we could adversely affect the planet Earth; that our young species, reigning (or so we have been told) on this planet for a mere million years or so (in a form that we would recognize today), and its domesticated livestock have actually contributed, or could possibly ever contribute, enough methane and CO2 gases and will consume or have already consumed enough of this planet’s resources to cripple her. Come on people… wake up you are not in the Matrix!

The dinosaurs “ruled” for nearly two hundred million years (that was until the Earth got tired of them, recouped her losses, and finally retook the energy she had poorly invested)… they were mass consumers on an unprecedented scale… on levels that mankind could nowhere comprehend. Their herds grazed away forests and grassy plains that eclipse desertification and deforestation known to man today. A single one of their giant reptilian turds was the size of one of our homes (or double trailer semi trucks) and emitted methane levels that of an entire 5-star cattle ranch or pig farm for a week. Hell, everyday when just one of the smaller herds of herbivores opened their mouths to chew or belch it was equivalent to China’s or America’s emissions in one year!

Two hundred million years our giant friends roamed, pillaged, raped, and devoured the planet Earth… she’s still here and doing quiet fine. Now mankind will most likely not last that long (those aren’t very good betting odds you know), nor will the Earth let humans take more than she can give. Even so, everything is cyclic and reordered, thus the energy and resources are truly never lost, just transformed.[/quote]

YES! Exactly! The arrogance of our species is astounding. So is the arrogance of liberals. :slight_smile:

[quote]Ricochet wrote:
Pretty presumptuous of mankind to think that we could adversely affect the planet Earth; that our young species, reigning (or so we have been told) on this planet for a mere million years or so (in a form that we would recognize today), and its domesticated livestock have actually contributed, or could possibly ever contribute, enough methane and CO2 gases and will consume or have already consumed enough of this planet’s resources to cripple her. Come on people… wake up you are not in the Matrix!

The dinosaurs “ruled” for nearly two hundred million years (that was until the Earth got tired of them, recouped her losses, and finally retook the energy she had poorly invested)… they were mass consumers on an unprecedented scale… on levels that mankind could nowhere comprehend. Their herds grazed away forests and grassy plains that eclipse desertification and deforestation known to man today. A single one of their giant reptilian turds was the size of one of our homes (or double trailer semi trucks) and emitted methane levels that of an entire 5-star cattle ranch or pig farm for a week. Hell, everyday when just one of the smaller herds of herbivores opened their mouths to chew or belch it was equivalent to China’s or America’s emissions in one year!

Two hundred million years our giant friends roamed, pillaged, raped, and devoured the planet Earth… she’s still here and doing quiet fine. Now mankind will most likely not last that long (those aren’t very good betting odds you know), nor will the Earth let humans take more than she can give. Even so, everything is cyclic and reordered, thus the energy and resources are truly never lost, just transformed.[/quote]

YES! Exactly! The arrogance of our species is astounding. So is the arrogance of liberals. :slight_smile:

[quote]John S. wrote:

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That’s a great video. It is VERY telling that the guys interviewed who were on the UN IPCC said that if you didn’t agree with the IPCC conclusions, you were censored from the report, but still added as an author to boost the numbers.


At least one thing we can agree on

[quote]ephrem wrote:
At least one thing we can agree on

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And I predict again in 500 years they will be laughing at us.

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
ephrem wrote:
At least one thing we can agree on

And I predict again in 500 years they will be laughing at us.[/quote]

Like, insane, delirious laughter brought on by searing heat and CO2 poisoning?

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
ephrem wrote:
At least one thing we can agree on

And I predict again in 500 years they will be laughing at us.

Like, insane, delirious laughter brought on by searing heat and CO2 poisoning?[/quote]

If the original idiotic predictions were true we’d all be doing that already. Or well on our way.

Global warming is the single biggest hoax that has been perpetrated upon the American people. Promulgated by ivory tower professors and led by Al Gore who stands to make a large fortune from his involvement. I wonder sometimes why the American people are so very gullible, then I realize that this nonsense has been spoon fed to them since they were toddlers. It’s incredible the amount of damage that has been spread by the left.

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
HG Thrower wrote:
This entire argument (or at least the argument that we NEED to commit economic suicide and redistribute all our money to the third world) hinges on two assumptions: >>>

It hinges on the desire to castrate the United States and force her to return all the money and resources she stole from the rest of the world. We have to get this sooner or later. Nothing these destroyers are doing is about anything else other than hatred for this nation and the zealous longing to finally see her brought down to size and reinvented according to their hippified version of reality. I’ve been saying this for 20 years.

Anybody who thinks these leftist fanatics give a shit about the poor or the environment or healthcare is in for the most spine joltingly rude awakening in the history of the world.[/quote]

Actually, I think that only is the spoiled jerkoffs running around the colleges who are committed to that concept purely ideologically.

The brighter ones(a relative term mind you) have figured out that hippie socialism is a great racket and can make them filthy rich. Anybody think Castro or all of the Russian elites in the last 100 years were true believers in Marx? They manipulated the sheep to make very comfortable lives for themselves. Thats all socialism, communism and progressivism are about. Witness Al Gore.

Personally, I will only be satisfied with this whole climate change hoax when Al is stripped of his fraudulently obtained assets and frog-marched off to prison…

"SCIENTISTS at the University of East Anglia (UEA) have admitted throwing away much of the raw temperature data on which their predictions of global warming are based.

It means that other academics are not able to check basic calculations said to show a long-term rise in temperature over the past 150 years…

…He and his colleagues say this temperature rise is â??unequivocallyâ?? linked to greenhouse gas emissions generated by humans. Their findings are one of the main pieces of evidence used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which says global warming is a threat to humanity."
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6936328.ece

What the double-deuce? From my reading, people have been trying to get this data for awhile through FoIA like requests, only to be rejected. Finally, they claim to have dumped it? Ummm.

I’m glad you found that.

That’s the event I referred to before, but hadn’t been able to find it again.

I hadn’t been aware that it was the same organization as the one having e-mails referring to deleting data and to “hiding the decline,” as the name of the place was unfamiliar to me and didn’t stick in the mind.

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
I’m glad you found that.

That’s the event I referred to before, but hadn’t been able to find it again.

I hadn’t been aware that it was the same organization as the one having e-mails referring to deleting data and to “hiding the decline,” as the name of the place was unfamiliar to me and didn’t stick in the mind.[/quote]

I wonder if there could be some legal troubles to come out of this. I read a Telegraph article pointing out that the e-mails containing deletion requests are dated after their data was requested through FoIA. I don’t know the laws myself, however, the writer claims this would be illegal.

Here it is.

“Most incriminating of all are the emails in which scientists are advised to delete large chunks of data, which, when this is done after receipt of a freedom of information request, is a criminal offence.”

Now in their defense, on the climate question they do point out that, “Our global temperature series tallies with those of other, completely independent, groups of scientists working for NASA and the National Climate Data Centre in the United States, among others. Even if you were to ignore our findings, theirs show the same results. The facts speak for themselves; there is no need for anyone to manipulate them.”

Many liars “point out” that they are telling the truth. Actually, almost all do.

Excerpts from a Telegraph article today: ( Climate change: this is the worst scientific scandal of our generation )

… But in all these acres of electronic coverage, one hugely relevant point about these thousands of documents has largely been missed. The reason why even the Guardian’s George Monbiot has expressed total shock and dismay at the picture revealed by the documents is that their authors are not just any old bunch of academics. Their importance cannot be overestimated, What we are looking at here is the small group of scientists who have for years been more influential in driving the worldwide alarm over global warming than any others, not least through the role they play at the heart of the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

Professor Philip Jones, the CRU’s director, is in charge of the two key sets of data used by the IPCC to draw up its reports. Through its link to the Hadley Centre, part of the UK Met Office, which selects most of the IPCC’s key scientific contributors, his global temperature record is the most important of the four sets of temperature data on which the IPCC and governments rely not least for their predictions that the world will warm to catastrophic levels unless trillions of dollars are spent to avert it.

Dr Jones is also a key part of the closely knit group of American and British scientists responsible for promoting that picture of world temperatures conveyed by Michael Mann’s “hockey stick” graph which 10 years ago turned climate history on its head by showing that, after 1,000 years of decline, global temperatures have recently shot up to their highest level in recorded history.

Given star billing by the IPCC, not least for the way it appeared to eliminate the long-accepted Mediaeval Warm Period when temperatures were higher they are today, the graph became the central icon of the entire man-made global warming movement.

Since 2003, however, when the statistical methods used to create the “hockey stick” were first exposed as fundamentally flawed by an expert Canadian statistician Steve McIntyre , an increasingly heated battle has been raging between Mann’s supporters, calling themselves “the Hockey Team”, and McIntyre and his own allies, as they have ever more devastatingly called into question the entire statistical basis on which the IPCC and CRU construct their case.

The senders and recipients of the leaked CRU emails constitute a cast list of the IPCC’s scientific elite, including not just the “Hockey Team”, such as Dr Mann himself, Dr Jones and his CRU colleague Keith Briffa, but Ben Santer, responsible for a highly controversial rewriting of key passages in the IPCC’s 1995 report; Kevin Trenberth, who similarly controversially pushed the IPCC into scaremongering over hurricane activity; and Gavin Schmidt, right-hand man to Al Gore’s ally Dr James Hansen, whose own GISS record of surface temperature data is second in importance only to that of the CRU itself.

… They have come up with every possible excuse for concealing the background data on which their findings and temperature records were based. This in itself has become a major scandal, not least Dr Jones’s refusal to release the basic data from which the CRU derives its hugely influential temperature record, which culminated last summer in his startling claim that much of the data from all over the world had simply got “lost”.

Most incriminating of all are the emails in which scientists are advised to delete large chunks of data, which, when this is done after receipt of a freedom of information request, is a criminal offence.

But the question which inevitably arises from this systematic refusal to release their data is, what is it that these scientists seem so anxious to hide? The second and most shocking revelation of the leaked documents is how they show the scientists trying to manipulate data through their tortuous computer programmes, always to point in only the one desired direction: to lower past temperatures and to “adjust” recent temperatures upwards, in order to convey the impression of an accelerated warming.

This comes up so often (not least in the documents relating to computer data in the Harry Read Me file) that it becomes the most disturbing single element of the entire story. This is what Mr McIntyre caught Dr Hansen doing with his GISS temperature record last year (after which Hansen was forced to revise his record), and two further shocking examples have now come to light from Australia and New Zealand.

In each of these countries it has been possible for local scientists to compare the official temperature record with the original data on which it was supposedly based. In each case it is clear that the same trick has been played: to turn an essentially flat temperature chart into a graph which shows temperatures steadily rising. And in each case this manipulation was carried out under the influence of the CRU.