[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
If you want to stop this concentration, you need to undo most of the crap that has been added to the government from FDR forward.[/quote]
You do realize that includes a great deal of the modern US government, including the DoD?
[quote]theuofh wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
If you want to stop this concentration, you need to undo most of the crap that has been added to the government from FDR forward.[/quote]
You do realize that includes a great deal of the modern US government, including the DoD?
[/quote]
The Department of War predates FDR a bit. And apparently the word “most” escapes you.
But, yes, the growth of the non-productive part of the economy (the government) is, by and large, the cause of the inequities people complain about, as all it can do is consume and take from the productive part. And it does so in a manner to enrich the elites.
And yet stupid sheep call for more government. It’s like calling for more water when you are drowning.
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
If you want to stop this concentration, you need to undo most of the crap that has been added to the government from FDR forward.[/quote]
Why would they want to do that? Those policies were put in place specifically to legitimize the need for government in the first place.
It will be more fun to watch it all burn to the ground so we can perhaps start over from scratch with a completely new way of thinking.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
If you want to stop this concentration, you need to undo most of the crap that has been added to the government from FDR forward.[/quote]
Why would they want to do that? Those policies were put in place specifically to legitimize the need for government in the first place.
It will be more fun to watch it all burn to the ground so we can perhaps start over from scratch with a completely new way of thinking.[/quote]
Generally speaking, in revolutions, a lot of innocent people get killed and what arises from the ashes is usually worse. The experiment with a fairly innocuous republic in the West is a historical anomaly.
While I doubt we have another 50 years, I’d love for it to continue 100.
Obama will do his best to make it 20 tonight.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
If you want to stop this concentration, you need to undo most of the crap that has been added to the government from FDR forward.[/quote]
Why would they want to do that? Those policies were put in place specifically to legitimize the need for government in the first place.
It will be more fun to watch it all burn to the ground so we can perhaps start over from scratch with a completely new way of thinking.[/quote]
Unfortunately I doubt We’ll be here to reap the benefits of the fresh start
Edit: Jewbacca explained what I meant more eloquently.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
If you want to stop this concentration, you need to undo most of the crap that has been added to the government from FDR forward.[/quote]
Why would they want to do that? Those policies were put in place specifically to legitimize the need for government in the first place.
It will be more fun to watch it all burn to the ground so we can perhaps start over from scratch with a completely new way of thinking.[/quote]
The problem is all the riff raff in suburbia. I’d like to see much more state sovereignty in my country but the problem is people vote even more left-wing state governments than federal in every state. I’m just sick of taxes and regulations and forms and red tape every time I try to do something. There are so many petty regulations and rules it’s almost like living in some kind of boot camp or something. Just now I’ve opened a letter from the government demanding $40 because I drove on a tollway without a prepaid beeper thing so they photographed my licence plate, charged me the toll fee and a “penalty” fee for not buying a prepaid beeper. This is all just from driving down a public road that my taxes pay for already.
SexMachine, in all seriousness, WHY do you still live in Australia?
From reading a half dozen threads that you’ve contributed to in this month alone, it sounds like you would be ever so much happier in Texas, or Montana, or Idaho or someplace similar, where a) people cherish conservative values, b) people still consider Western Civilisation worth fighting for, and c) you can REALLY put your bushcraft skills to use.
Take advantage of Obama’s loosening of the immigration laws! Come to America!
http://travel.state.gov/content/visas/english/immigrate.html
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
SexMachine, in all seriousness, WHY do you still live in Australia?
From reading a half dozen threads that you’ve contributed to in this month alone, it sounds like you would be ever so much happier in Texas, or Montana, or Idaho or someplace similar, where a) people cherish conservative values, b) people still consider Western Civilisation worth fighting for, and c) you can REALLY put your bushcraft skills to use.
Take advantage of Obama’s loosening of the immigration laws! Come to America!
http://travel.state.gov/content/visas/english/immigrate.html[/quote]
I’m sure it would be great but I’ve got a life here already; friends, job, contacts etc. And my family have been here many generations. It wouldn’t be very patriotic to leave the land. I like the land too. There’s plenty here, it’s a big continent. But I would like to travel to America for a road trip across the country. I’d like to see Georgia and Tennessee too.
Edit: It’s pretty conservative in the country towns by the way. Especially in Northern Queensland.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
SexMachine, in all seriousness, WHY do you still live in Australia?
From reading a half dozen threads that you’ve contributed to in this month alone, it sounds like you would be ever so much happier in Texas, or Montana, or Idaho or someplace similar, where a) people cherish conservative values, b) people still consider Western Civilisation worth fighting for, and c) you can REALLY put your bushcraft skills to use.
Take advantage of Obama’s loosening of the immigration laws! Come to America!
http://travel.state.gov/content/visas/english/immigrate.html[/quote]
I’m sure it would be great but I’ve got a life here already; friends, job, contacts etc. And my family have been here many generations. It wouldn’t be very patriotic to leave the land. I like the land too. There’s plenty here, it’s a big continent. But I would like to travel to America for a road trip across the country. I’d like to see Georgia and Tennessee too.
Edit: It’s pretty conservative in the country towns by the way. Especially in Northern Queensland.[/quote]
If you ever make it out over here be sure to send me a note. I’m sure I can find some time off work for a link-up to show you around a bit
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
It will be more fun to watch it all burn to the ground so we can perhaps start over from scratch with a completely new way of thinking.[/quote]
I cant wait to watch the end of western civilization, that’s a great idea.
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
SexMachine, in all seriousness, WHY do you still live in Australia?
From reading a half dozen threads that you’ve contributed to in this month alone, it sounds like you would be ever so much happier in Texas, or Montana, or Idaho or someplace similar, where a) people cherish conservative values, b) people still consider Western Civilisation worth fighting for, and c) you can REALLY put your bushcraft skills to use.
Take advantage of Obama’s loosening of the immigration laws! Come to America!
http://travel.state.gov/content/visas/english/immigrate.html[/quote]
I’m sure it would be great but I’ve got a life here already; friends, job, contacts etc. And my family have been here many generations. It wouldn’t be very patriotic to leave the land. I like the land too. There’s plenty here, it’s a big continent. But I would like to travel to America for a road trip across the country. I’d like to see Georgia and Tennessee too.
Edit: It’s pretty conservative in the country towns by the way. Especially in Northern Queensland.[/quote]
If you ever make it out over here be sure to send me a note. I’m sure I can find some time off work for a link-up to show you around a bit[/quote]
Thank you, that’s very kind. But I tend to keep my internet associates/friends exclusively online and generally don’t meet up in the real world. My internet persona is also quite different from the “real” me. I can voice very conservative opinions about things that I’d never be able to say in real life. That’s one of the things I like about it. But mixing the real world and the online world up? That would be kind of like “crossing the beams” - like oil and water they don’t mix. At least that’s my theory. Anyway, thanks.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Thank you, that’s very kind. But I tend to keep my internet associates/friends exclusively online and generally don’t meet up in the real world. My internet persona is also quite different from the “real” me. I can voice very conservative opinions about things that I’d never be able to say in real life. That’s one of the things I like about it. But mixing the real world and the online world up? That would be kind of like “crossing the beams” - like oil and water they don’t mix. At least that’s my theory. Anyway, thanks.[/quote]
Too bad.
I once felt the same as you. I hesitated for the longest time to meet up with any of the people on this site, despite their insistence. I don’t know what accounted for my reticence, perhaps it was that I had built up an image in my mind of these people, and was worried that the reality would not live up to the image. More likely, it was that I didn’t want THEIR image of ME shattered by a reality that might not measure up.
As it turned out, I needn’t have worried. So far I have met Mikeyali, DrSkeptix (zekher tzadik livrakhah), Pushharder, Cortes, Chushin, and even the Atomic Dog himself, TC.
In every case they not only exceeded my expectations, but also were practically identical to their personae on this site. They have become my friends to an extent far greater than would have been the case were our only interaction through a keyboard and screen.
Anyway, it’s your decision. But I think you’re missing out. And I know that we are.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Thank you, that’s very kind. But I tend to keep my internet associates/friends exclusively online and generally don’t meet up in the real world. My internet persona is also quite different from the “real” me. I can voice very conservative opinions about things that I’d never be able to say in real life. That’s one of the things I like about it. But mixing the real world and the online world up? That would be kind of like “crossing the beams” - like oil and water they don’t mix. At least that’s my theory. Anyway, thanks.[/quote]
Too bad.
I once felt the same as you. I hesitated for the longest time to meet up with any of the people on this site, despite their insistence. I don’t know what accounted for my reticence, perhaps it was that I had built up an image in my mind of these people, and was worried that the reality would not live up to the image. More likely, it was that I didn’t want THEIR image of ME shattered by a reality that might not measure up.
As it turned out, I needn’t have worried. So far I have met Mikeyali, DrSkeptix (zekher tzadik livrakhah), Pushharder, Cortes, Chushin, and even the Atomic Dog himself, TC.
In every case they not only exceeded my expectations, but also were practically identical to their personae on this site. They have become my friends to an extent far greater than would have been the case were our only interaction through a keyboard and screen.
Anyway, it’s your decision. But I think you’re missing out. And I know that we are.[/quote]
Yup, I certainly agree with you Varq. And in any case I’m sad I’ve not been able to meet up with you yet sir! But SM certainly your choice and no offense taken. Completely respect that. I do think though that the dangers of meeting up an online “pal” when you’re just visiting the country and don’t actually live there are substantially less, seeing as you won’t be permanently residing anywhere lol.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
I’m kidding, of course, but it was too easy a shot to pass up.
Seriously, though, the causes were, as I see it, a combination of overpopulation at the bottom of the social pyramid, and depopulation (through both failure to breed, and loss of wealth through debasement of currency) at the top; dependence on foreign trade for commodities and resources, requiring constant military action to secure and hold; a policy of immigration and easy citizenship which allowed Gauls and Goths to be “Romans”, and even attain positions in the military, without requiring them to assimilate; a massive underclass living on the dole in fetid tenements, kept from rising up only through the efforts of a brutal militarised police force, informants and assassination squads, and through constant mind-numbing performances of political satire and violent sports.
Of these, the fact that the Romans depended on African grain, and the Goths were literally at their doorsteps were the two factors that led to their downfall. All the Goths had to do was blockade the Tiber and stop the grain shipments, and the city folded within weeks.[/quote]
The Romans also lost commonality with their government. If all one saw was sleek headed pussy chasers loafing at the top, while the common people fought and died…well, as Gibbon points out…no one gave a fuck at the end.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
If you want to stop this concentration, you need to undo most of the crap that has been added to the government from FDR forward.[/quote]
Why would they want to do that? Those policies were put in place specifically to legitimize the need for government in the first place.
It will be more fun to watch it all burn to the ground so we can perhaps start over from scratch with a completely new way of thinking.[/quote]
I agree. Put in term limits on Congressmen, a balanced budget amendment with fierce teeth, and a gold backed (forever) currency and you’re good to go. 
I’ve wanted to do a road trip across North America for a long time and if I get around to it I’ll see if I can catch up with some of you guys. Thanks.
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
If you want to stop this concentration, you need to undo most of the crap that has been added to the government from FDR forward.[/quote]
Why would they want to do that? Those policies were put in place specifically to legitimize the need for government in the first place.
It will be more fun to watch it all burn to the ground so we can perhaps start over from scratch with a completely new way of thinking.[/quote]
Generally speaking, in revolutions, a lot of innocent people get killed and what arises from the ashes is usually worse.[/quote]
Generally speaking, whether in revolutions or not, innocent people suffer injustice at the hands of government in greater proportion than lives lost due to revolutions.
To me the solution is quite simple: use technology to make government irrelevant. This will help reduce violence in the long run.
[quote]Aggv wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
It will be more fun to watch it all burn to the ground so we can perhaps start over from scratch with a completely new way of thinking.[/quote]
I cant wait to watch the end of western civilization, that’s a great idea. [/quote]
Civilization exists despite government not because of it.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]Aggv wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
It will be more fun to watch it all burn to the ground so we can perhaps start over from scratch with a completely new way of thinking.[/quote]
I cant wait to watch the end of western civilization, that’s a great idea. [/quote]
Civilization exists despite government not because of it.[/quote]
Depends what you mean by civilisation. The civil society existed in a tribal state; a state of sorts. But for the sort of mass collective action that provided sewerage and fresh water systems, roads, public works, libraries, temples, advanced maritime and military technology, imperialism and colonialism - all the things one thinks of when one speaks of “civilisation” were not in fact possible without the state.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]Aggv wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
It will be more fun to watch it all burn to the ground so we can perhaps start over from scratch with a completely new way of thinking.[/quote]
I cant wait to watch the end of western civilization, that’s a great idea. [/quote]
Civilization exists despite government not because of it.[/quote]
Depends what you mean by civilisation. The civil society existed in a tribal state; a state of sorts. But for the sort of mass collective action that provided sewerage and fresh water systems, roads, public works, libraries, temples, advanced maritime and military technology, imperialism and colonialism - all the things one thinks of when one speaks of “civilisation” were not in fact possible without the state.[/quote]
The state isn’t possible without civilization in the first place.