Christian Commits Mass Murder at Ft. Hood

[quote]Valor wrote:
pat wrote:
lixy wrote:
pat wrote:
These people have to clean their own houses.

The man is born in the US.

I didn’t mean he should start a maid service. I am say the people of Islam need to clean out the radicals, not justify, excuse or condone their actions. This includes you. When you condem there should be NO “But,” in the statement.
There is NO excuse and everybody knows it.

Islam CANNOT clean out the radicals. The radicals follow a CORE, FUNDAMENTAL TENET of islam. Radical islam is the very fabric and lifeblood of islams teachings. Islam without radicals is like Christians without Christ.[/quote]

I cannot claim to know enough about islam to know whether this is true or not. I am giving it the benefit of the doubt whether it deserves it or not.

[quote]pat wrote:

I cannot claim to know enough about islam to know whether this is true or not. I am giving it the benefit of the doubt whether it deserves it or not.[/quote]

ARGGGGGGHHJHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!11111111!!!1!111111111!!!

I give up.

[quote]lixy wrote:
The motive doesn’t matter now.

Even if it turns out to be completely unrelated to the guy’s faith, people will claim that the media are in cahoots with whatever new world order that’s trying to further an Islamist agenda. Others, on the other side, will still claim that he was doing The Work of God™, that this is true Jihad, and treat the man as some sort of hero.

Presumption of innocence for Muslims will slowly fly out the door, triggering a vicious circle where both sides get increasingly radicalized. I wouldn’t be surprised if, in my lifetime, Muslims start changing their names and/or hiding their religion to avoid persecution. [/quote]

No you have it wrong, the New World Order is the U.S. Government colluding with the Israelites and Jewish supporters of Israel.

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
I suspect you don’t know what the amygdala is, else you wouldn’t have said that.

Your statement is ironic, because your implication that it is you that are reasoning with your amygdala is quite correct, and is in fact your problem.

Not in this case. The amygdala is the reptilian brain that reacts in a Pavlovian manner, correct?

Not simply Pavlovian, but also emotionally-based, and not with higher logic.

Why you accuse me of reasoning without an amygdala, or implied it, I have no idea.

As I said, you appear to be like the person that on say four or five coins being tossed but covered after the toss, insisting that he KNOWS that at least one landed heads.

And upon being told that no, he is only making a highly likely guess, insteads, “No, I KNOW!”

And then if the coins are uncovered and in fact it turned out that one did land heads, scoffs and thinks that this proves that he “knew” all along.

My stats has never been that great, but coin tosses are independent, identically distributed. Each coin has a 50/50 chance of landing heads/tails and each probability is independent of the toss before it. There is no more probability of it landing heads than tails.

Your analogy breaks down because the guy was, in fact, a Muslim who subscribes to a religion of violence against non-believers. So instead of it being like a coin toss where the coin is no more biased to land heads than tails, the coin is (in this case) much more biased to land on the side of "sudden jihad against the kuffar iaw Surahs 9:5, 9:29, and 9:111).

You do recognize that a person cannot know, without seeing, whether at least one coin landed heads or not – that an opinion that they won’t all land the same way and thus won’t all be tails does not constitute “knowing” – but you’re not recognizing that having suggestive evidence does not mean that you know the motive here or [/i]know[/i] what he shouted.

I didn’t mean you were as bad a case as the fellow with the coins: it was only an illustration that many people stubbornly insist that they know things that in fact they don’t and do not have sufficient reason to think that they do.

It can get really horrible, actually. This was a terrible problem with the pharmacy students in teaching them pharmaceutical analytical chemistry: what do you know from the outcome of the test? Which very often is not what you are really wanting to find out.

As a giveaway question (I had to have such to inflate their quiz scores) when OJ and the EDTA in his socks was in the news, and we were working with EDTA that day for determination of calcium (but in fact one does not know amount of calcium present from only that test, regardless of doing the calculation correctly) I asked “If it’s a fact that EDTA was found in the bloodstains in OJ’s socks, and if it’s a fact that the only way EDTA could be in there is if the police planted the bloodstains, would we then know that OJ did not kill Nicole?”

I thought it was a giveaway, as I had spent months towards the goal of their reasoning correctly as to what was known and what was not and they had made considerable progress, but sadly about 1/3 of the students were utterly convinced that such would prove that OJ did not kill Nicole: that this would enable to them to know that he did not.

We’re talking about college seniors here, and ones with better scientific aptitude than average. Of course there are many other examples that could be made. Society seems to do a poor job with regards to people recognizing what is actually known versus what has suggestive evidence.

My point in the last couple of paragraphs is that it’s a common thing: I am not accusing you of some rare lack of distinguishing the difference.

You really don’t know much if you think that murder in the name of Islam is equally likely to come from any.

Bill, it’s pretty clear someone here doesn’t know much about Islam. Even Sufism advocates violent jihad.

It’s pretty clear that you don’t know or are ignoring that those who actually commit it are not equally likely to come from any school. Thus, it would be suggstive evidence relevant to understanding his influences if the murderer in question attended a Wahhabi mosque, if it distributed Saudi Arabian pro-jihad literature, if the imam preached radicalism, etc.

It would be also interesting to learn if he attended quite the opposite sort of mosque, yet in fact had jihad on his mind “regardless.”

Either way, interesting to know. I don’t know why you deny it.

Also it seems that the answer is yes indeed, it was an extremist mosque.[/quote]

The amygdala is responsible for the fight or flight response and feelings of fear negtive emotional associations…It deals mainly with fear. People with GAD or Panic disorder have their origins in this part of the brain. Ironically, low testosterone levels are associated with increase dopamine production in the amygdala which causes an increase in fear, or irrational anxiety. Raising testosterone levels in these individuals will decrease the dopamine levels in the amygdala and hencse decrease fear and anxiety. It may also explain why high T people tend to be fearless…

/hijack.

[quote]Valor wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
What?! No cheering for a soldier murdering other people…oh wait, he wasn’t in Iraq or Afghanistan and he was…gasp! A MUSLIM!!!

You’re a fucking idiot. I was going to explain to you just how stupid you are, but really…why bother. Just rest easy, knowing you may well be the dumbest motherfucker on the internet. Hey, at least thats SOMETHING.[/quote]

At least I can admit I was a trained murder.

You just think you are a hero. You’re not.

[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
pat wrote:

I cannot claim to know enough about islam to know whether this is true or not. I am giving it the benefit of the doubt whether it deserves it or not.

ARGGGGGGHHJHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!11111111!!!1!111111111!!!

I give up. [/quote]

Give what up? I think this massacre along with all the other massacres around the world are faith based in islam. I don’t know if it’s islams fault or not…I rather not condem an entire swath of people if I can help it. But don’t get me wrong, I understand that the preponderance of terrorism in the world are done by muslim who claim to do it for their faith. I just don’t want to condem 1.3 billion folks universally. The truth is I don’t know their faith, but I do know way to many of them are blood thirsty murderers.

There is nothing the Jihadists of the world love more than watching us trip over ourselves to see who can be first to declare them fringe nutcases and not the faithful proponents of their religion that they are. That way they can simply show up and be welcomed.

Right after we invaded Iraq there was guy who came to Detroit, (I wanna say from some AP affiliated outfit, not sure anymore, maybe he was writing a book) with the expressed purpose of giving the huge Muslim population here a forum to condemn the 911 attacks and put to rest the “irrational” fears of Americans that Islam was an inherently violent anti American religion.

On his 4th day in town he was on a local morning radio show reporting that in 3 full work days canvassing the city of Dearborn he found exactly ONE person who would explicitly repudiate the attacks and she would only do so off the record under an absolute promise of anonymity.

He got either no answer or was advised to ask the honcho at the positively humongous mosque they have here.

[quote]lixy wrote:

Did I go out calling people names because of their religion? No. Did I make up stuff about “their” hate for whites (I’m white)? No.
[/quote]

You do not. But you spread hatred of the United States and blame the country for the woes of your religion and every other living creature on this planet just about.

[quote]Jeff R wrote:
I am opposed to radical Islam and it’s violence.
[/quote]

The dude claims to be.

And it’s only because 1 form of the violence is backed by Wahabbis.

And there’s a high concentration of Wahabbis in Saudi Arabia.

And the US is friends with Saudi Arabia.

So he hates this form of radical islam and it’s violence.

Violence by other radical muslim groups, those backed by Iran for instance, he is not against because Iran is not a friend of the US.

Any violence perpetrated by Iran is ok especially if it is used against Israel.

Am I right?

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
If these societies wanted to, they could stop the extremist preaching.

So how is it that the extremist murderers in the name of Islam are not being cracked down by these Muslim-controlled societies?
[/quote]

I imagine it would be similar the Pope cracking down on the consumption of Holy Communion.

edit: or as someone else eloquently put “Christianity without Christ.”

Awesome quote.

You shouldn’t read this post, cause it’s on huffingtonpost, and it’s by a Muslim. So it may conflict on a couple levels. But it’s still pretty good anyway.

Gkhan (or Dbhag, which is more accurate) you really are an ignorant piece of shit.

[quote]tme wrote:
You shouldn’t read this post, cause it’s on huffingtonpost, and it’s by a Muslim. So it may conflict on a couple levels. But it’s still pretty good anyway.

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“Hasan was simply regurgitating cultural attitudes and prejudices and cloaking them in the form of religion. And in the process he was blinding himself to what Islam actually taught.”

Happens everytime. and believe it or not, alot of the barbaric and non-tolerance acts you see are because of this.

It would be so great if we had a time machine so the Huffington Posters could go back and inform Mohammed of what Islam really teaches. Then the lives could be saved of the Jews that he ordered murdered just so he could steal the goods from their caravan, and all the many other deaths from his bloody ways could be averted.

[quote]malty_goodness wrote:
tme wrote:
You shouldn’t read this post, cause it’s on huffingtonpost, and it’s by a Muslim. So it may conflict on a couple levels. But it’s still pretty good anyway.

“Hasan was simply regurgitating cultural attitudes and prejudices and cloaking them in the form of religion. And in the process he was blinding himself to what Islam actually taught.”

Happens everytime. and believe it or not, alot of the barbaric and non-tolerance acts you see are because of this.[/quote]

What are we to make of Muhammad’s slaughter of the Banu Quraizah and his status as “an excellent model of conduct” per Surah 3:23? That Islam is a peaceful religion? Peace = slaughter of unarmed Jewish farmers and the rape and theft of their surviving wives?

[quote]tme wrote:
You shouldn’t read this post, cause it’s on huffingtonpost, and it’s by a Muslim. So it may conflict on a couple levels. But it’s still pretty good anyway.

Gkhan (or Dbhag, which is more accurate) you really are an ignorant piece of shit.

[/quote]

Great article, T-bag.

[quote]In my novel, Mother of the Believers, which tells the story of Islam from the perspective of Aisha, Prophet Muhammadâ??s wife, I discuss how the early Muslim community engaged in profound debate and discourse in the search for truth.

Read more at: HuffPost - Breaking News, U.S. and World News | HuffPost

Did you know Muhammad’s wife Aisha was 6 when he married her and 9 when he popped her cherry?

[quote]â??Those who believe (in the Qur’an), and those who follow the Jewish scriptures, and the Christians and the Sabians – any who believe in God and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.â?? (2:62)
[/quote]

Interesting. According to Ibn Abbas ( http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=2&tid=2189 ), this Surah was abrogated by 3:85:

Do google “naskh.” There are plenty of peaceful verses during Muhammad’s Meccan period of revelation. They’ve all been abrogated by his Medinan period of revelation. The author doesn’t tell you that, so he uses peaceful, irrelevant verses to bamboozle kuffar like you with a time-proven sleight-of-hand.

[quote]malty_goodness wrote:
Happens everytime. and believe it or not, alot of the barbaric and non-tolerance acts you see are because of this.[/quote]

Explain the following then.

[i]It is not the same whether you forewarn them [the unbelievers] they will have no faith (2:6).

God will mock them and keep them long in sin, blundering blindly along (2:15).

A fire “whose fuel is men and stones” awaits them (2:24).

They will be “rewarded with disgrace in this world and with grievous punishment on the Day of Resurrection” (2:85).

“God’s curse be upon the infidels!” (2:89).

“They have incurred God’s most inexorable wrath. An ignominous punishment awaits [them]” (2:90).

“God is the enemy of the unbelievers” (2:98).

“The unbelievers among People of the Book [Christians and Jews], and the pagans, resent that any blessing should have been sent down to you from your Lord” (2:105)

“They shall be held up to shame in this world and sternly punished in the hereafter” (2:114)

“Those to whom We [God] have given the Book, and who read it as it ought to be read, truly believe in it; those that deny it shall assuredly be lost” (2:122)

“[We] shall let them live awhile, and drag them to the scourge of the Fire. Evil shall be their fate” (2:126).

“The East and West are God’s. He guides whom He will to a straight path” (2:142).

“Do not say those who are slain in the cause of God are dead. They are alive, but you are not aware of them” (2:154).

“But the infidels who die unbelievers shall incur the curse of God, the angels, and all men. Under it they shall remain for ever; their punishment shall not be lightened, nor shall they be reprieved” (2:162).

“They shall sigh with remorse, but they shall never come out of the Fire” (2:168).

“The unbelievers are like beasts which, call out to them as much as one may, can hear nothing but a shout and a cry. Deaf, dumb, and blind, they understand nothing” (2:172).

“Theirs shall be a woeful punishment” (2:175).

“How steadfastly they seek the Fire! That is because God has revealed the Book with truth; those that disagree about it are in extreme schism” (2:176)

"Slay them wherever you find them. Drive them out of the places from which they drove you, Idolatry is worse than the carnage… f they attack you put them to the sword. Thus shall be the unbelievers rewarded: but if they desist, God is forgiving and merciful. Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God’s religion reigns supreme. But if they desist, fight none except the evildoers" (2:190-93)

Your religion teaches you to look down on non-Muslims. The problem quite simply is in the religion. If you aren’t trying to kill me (an unbeliever) then you should at least be trying to subjugate me and force me to pay my taxes to you, the believer. If you aren’t then no, you aren’t a Muslim.

The fact remains that if a bomb were to go off on a packed bus in the middle east, it is almost bet-your-life-on-it easy to guess the bombers religion.

He waited 3 years to pop it?(her cherry)Dang,that boy had remarkable self control…

[quote]Makavali wrote:
A lot of stuff from Surah 2.
[/quote]

A good chunk of Surah 2 (the Cow) is in fact a big long diatribe against the Jews who rejected Muhammad as prophet (I wonder why?). After Surah 2:63, Muhammad compares the to “apes and pigs,” which is the origin of the “Jews as apes and pigs” motif so commonly illustrated in Islamic literature.

Surah 2 contains the central antisemitic motif of the Qur’an and should be the first stop along one’s journey to understand the Palestinian Arabs unrelenting hatred of their Jewish neighbors.

Sheikh Tantawi based his entire dissertation off that motif, did he not Lixy? Isn’t that what got him promoted to Grand Sheikh of Al-Azhar?

Picked up the Stars and Stripes at the DFAC this morning…obviously this was the front page story.

Here’s one of the articles. I know it’s easy with the benefit of hind sight, but I’ll be damned if there weren’t a lot of warning signs.

http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?article=65920&section=104

WASHINGTON â?? Some said he was an outspoken Muslim, prone to emotional outbursts, angry about the U.S. war in Iraq and dreading an impending deployment to Afghanistan.

Others who knew him recalled Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan as a dedicated Army psychiatrist trained to help fellow soldiers cope with the psychological wounds of combat.

And a few noted that while Hasan never exhibited a violent side, they werenâ??t particularly surprised to learn he allegedly was at the center of the worst mass murder ever committed on an American military base.

Now the 39-year-old Muslim-American, who authorities say killed 13 people and wounded 38 others in Thursdayâ??s rampage at Fort Hood in Texas, is at the center of a riddle investigators have only begun to probe: How could a military psychiatrist, surrounded by other mental health experts sensitized to signs of combat stress, suddenly snap without any apparent warning?

As Hasan lay in a coma in a Texas hospital after being shot by base police responding to Thursdayâ??s attack, investigators fanned out across the country Friday in search of a motive or explanation for the killings.

Hasan grew up in Virginia and spent years in the Washington, D.C., area on military assignments, before being transferred to Darnall Army Medical Center at Fort Hood in August, officials said.

Dr. Val Finnell, a classmate of Hasanâ??s last year at the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Maryland, called Hasan â??a vociferous opponent to U.S. policy in Iraqâ?? and said he frequently spoke about his faith, sometimes in inappropriate venues.

â??We had an environmental health class assignment; most of us gave presentations on things like molds in homes and allergens,â?? Finnell said. â??Hasanâ??s topic was, â??The U.S. war in Iraq: A war against Islam.â?? I have no idea why the faculty even allowed him to make such a presentation.â??

Following the shootings, Hasanâ??s family told The Washington Post that he had endured name-calling and harassment about his Muslim faith during his 12-year Army career, and was upset about an imminent deployment to Afghanistan.

But Finnell said Hasan was usually the instigator of arguments, speaking openly about the injustices of U.S. military missions overseas and sulking when others challenged his remarks.

â??He made himself a lightning rod,â?? Finnell said.

Another Army officer who worked with Hasan at Walter Reed Army Medical Center said Hasan was â??generally politeâ?? with staff but problematic with his patients. On several occasions, he said, Hasan condemned his patients struggling with drug or alcohol addiction for â??unholyâ?? behavior, and openly tried to convert others to Islam.

â??When I heard that he was behind the shootings, frankly it didnâ??t seem like much of a stretch,â?? said the soldier, who asked to remain anonymous because Army commanders instructed him not to speak about Hasan.

Fort Hood officials said Hasan used a pair of handguns in the attack, which took place at the Texas baseâ??s Soldier Family Readiness Center. Most of the injured were soldiers at the facility for pre- and post-deployment medical checkups.

Hasan served six years at Walter Reed before his Texas assignment. As a clinical psychiatrist, he worked with both wounded troops returning from war and their families. He also served as a fellow for disaster and preventive psychiatry at the militaryâ??s Center for Traumatic Stress, official records show.

Hasan has never been deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan, but Army officials confirmed he was due to be sent to Afghanistan later this year.

Dr. Asif Qadri, head of the medical clinic at the Muslim Community Center in Silver Spring, Md., said Hasan frequently attended prayer services there. He spoke with pride about being a Muslim serving in the Army, Qadri said, and was known as a â??jovialâ?? and â??well balancedâ?? person who never talked about politics.

On Friday for about 45 minutes, the FBI interviewed the imam of the local Killeen, Texas, mosque that Hasan attended. Seyed Amed Ali doesn’t speak much English, but he said the president of the Islamic Community Center of Greater Killeen translated for the FBI.

Ali said Hasan prayed every morning, normally wearing his uniform. Hasan told the imam he planned to visit his parents in Virginia for two weeks prior to deploying to Afghanistan for a six-month tour. Records show, however, that Hasan’s parents are deceased.

Just last week, Hasan expressed views that Muslims shouldn’t serve in the military and fight other Muslims, according to Duane Reasoner Jr., a recent Muslim convert who had been having dinner regularly with Hasan.

Hasan had taken 18-year-old Reasoner under his wing, mentoring him in his new faith. After evening prayers he would often buy a fish dinner for Reasoner and sometimes the iman at the Golden Corral, a chain buffet restaurant. Besides mentioning that he prayed for a wife, the conversation almost never strayed from religion, Reasoner said, describing Hasan as warm and caring.

Manager Vera Brooks said Hasan, dressed in typical civilian clothes, was a regular there, eating by himself almost every weekend.

The night before the shootings, Hasan and Reasoner went as usual to the Golden Corral. Reasoner said Hasan acted as he always did. No red flags.

“Nothing was out of the ordinary,” he said.

Neighbors in Hasanâ??s former apartment complex in Silver Spring said they had only superficial relationships with him. Malcolm Frazier said he had brief conversations with Hasan in the apartment hallway, and that Hasan usually wore traditional Muslim dress in his civilian time.

But he described the Army major as a quiet man who was always alone.

â??I didnâ??t even know his name,â?? until his face showed up on the news Thursday night, Frazier said.

Army officials could not confirm eyewitness reports that Hasan shouted â??Allahu Akbar!â?? â?? Arabic for â??God is Greatâ?? â?? during the attack, and FBI officials would not confirm reports that Hasan had already been under surveillance by authorities for a questionable Web posting in May.

That posting, on the Web site scribd.com, was written by someone using the name â??NidalHasanâ?? who compared Muslim suicide bombers to U.S. soldiers whoâ??ve thrown themselves onto grenades to save their fellow soldiers.

The large number of victims and witnesses in the attack â?? about 300 soldiers and 100 civilians were interviewed on Thursday alone â?? led to confusion and chaos in the aftermath of the tragedy.

The base was locked down almost immediately following the attack, trapping students in schools and parents outside Fort Hoodâ??s main gate. At one point, investigators believed as many as three other shooters may have been involved, and later base officials had to correct a report that Hasan had been killed in the attack. On Friday, they emphasized that Hasan is believed to be the only shooter involved.

At Fort Hood on Friday, soldiers who had already suffered psychological trauma fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan suddenly found themselves struggling to cope with a fresh disaster.

Sgt. Howard Appleby, a 31-year-old combat engineer suffering from PTSD as a result of two deployments to Iraq, was at the base hospital Thursday when the victims of the shooting started pouring in.

For 45 minutes, Appleby helped pull the wounded from ambulances and private cars, crying the whole time.

â??Now I donâ??t know who to trust because the guy who did this was a doc,â?? Appleby said.

[quote]malty_goodness wrote:
tme wrote:
You shouldn’t read this post, cause it’s on huffingtonpost, and it’s by a Muslim. So it may conflict on a couple levels. But it’s still pretty good anyway.

.huffingtonpost.com/kamran-pasha/a-muslim-soldiers-view-fr_b_348973.html

“Hasan was simply regurgitating cultural attitudes and prejudices and cloaking them in the form of religion. And in the process he was blinding himself to what Islam actually taught.”

Happens everytime. and believe it or not, alot of the barbaric and non-tolerance acts you see are because of this.[/quote]

Let me clarify a bit, at least for myself. I have no reason to belive that you are a murderous jihadist hell bent on the destruction of the non islamic world and the ascendancy of Allah to a Muslim style theocratic reign. I also have no reason to belive you are Muslim by any historical definition. Any more than I have any reason to belive that Nancy Pelosi is a Catholic. That is, IF I allow historic Catholicism to tell me what a Catholic is. I can either believe Pelosi and disregard 1500 years of Catholic history or I can simply believe Pelosi doesn’t know what a Catholic is despite claiming to be one.

Historic Islam without jihad is like bodybuilding without weights or the desire to get big. You may go to a gym and mill around a bit, but that ain’t bodybuilding.

There are millions of Muslims in this world who themselves consider you an apostate compromiser, an affront to Allah and more worthy of death than they consider that of me.

I don’t care what some other unfaithful half assed Muslim at the huffingtonpost tries to tell me, again, any more than I care what Nancy Pelosi says about Catholicism.