The fear is that what happened will repeat itself in other regions and cities. However, there are cases everywhere in Italy but things are nowhere as bad as Lombardy because they did a countrywide lockdown. This shows that they work to slow the spread. So the question is how to lift restrictions in a way that doesn’t cause another huge outbreak. I would guess they would need to do the things they should have done in the first place, like what S Korea did.
For us it’s too late. We haven’t contained it to one city or state.
I was really sick in December for about a day and a half, fever and respiratory infection and I pretty much just laid in bed. In Italy some doctors are saying they think that the virus was going around since the fall because many people had pneumonia from an unknown virus. It’s highly possible.
The tests apparently have a very high rate of false negatives, but not false positives. If you test positive then you almost definitely have it, but you could have it and still test negative. The test is basically worthless.
No. That’s CCP propaganda. The doctor in the La Repubblica article speculated about the virus being present in the first half of January.
Chinese state media has been pushing hard the conspiracy theory about supposed severe pneumonia cases in Italy back in December, which is intended to sow confusion about the origin of the virus.
One of the employees at my work (a nursing home) had some sort of pneumonia a few weeks ago but tested negative for coronavirus. Now this employee is back to work (after 2 weeks off and no longer sick) and now we have an outbreak of a respiratory infection. They haven’t even tested for coronavirus yet since there aren’t enough testing kits and so on, there are at least 7 other nursing homes in Ottawa in the same situation and 5 with confirmed cases.
Hi I have seen reports of looting of supermarkets in the south (Naples was mentioned). Given the fact that a certain band of criminals hang out down there can I believe it?
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There’s probably 3-5 nursing homes in my town, I’m not really sure. From what I can tell without actually knowing, it’s about half college aged students and half middle aged for employees. I know one of them has a lot of young employees, and I know many of them are out partying every night. It pisses me off that they work where they work and can’t make the responsible choice.
Here is a quote from La Repubblica from February. This is from a doctor who has been pushing the idea that covid 19 was in Italy last year, and it was in response to another doctor who was saying anyone from China entering Italy should be quarantined. Remember, this is from back in February.
This is the comment from the doctor recommending quarantine for people coming in from China, "C’è solo un modo per bloccare il virus: la quarantena per chi arriva dalla Cina "
This is the response of the doctor who has been saying covid was present in Italy last year.
“A me sembra una follia. Si è scambiata un’infezione appena più seria di un’influenza per una pandemia letale. Non è così. Guardate i numeri”. A parlare è Maria Rita Gismondo, virologa in prima linea essendo la responsabile del laboratorio dell’ospedale Sacco di Milano, in cui vengono analizzati da giorni i campioni di possibili casi di coronavirus. In un post su Facebook, in cui non cita mai Burioni, la scienziata scrive: “Non è pandemia! Durante la scorsa settimana la mortalità per influenza è stata di 217 decessi al giorno! Per coronavirus 1!”. Secondo Gismondo, che invita tutti ad abbassare i toni, “questa follia farà molto male, soprattutto dal punto di vista economico”.
She essentially says that 217 people die from the regular flu every day, so people are overstating the covid 19 threat. The numbers just aren’t there according to her. it was the whole, the regular flu kills x amount of people argument. Again, this was in February. The regular flu claimed 217 people a day in Italy (pop. 60 million) meanwhile, about a month after she downplayed it, covid 19 was claiming three to five times that a day in just one region of Italy (pop. 10 million).
I’ve been watching the Gismondo - Buroni fight on youtube.
Seems that la cara dottoressa is an egomaniac that indirectly contributed to the deaths of many:
Ho la coscienza a posto e chi mi attacca è pietoso. Non torno indietro sulle mie dichiarazioni .
As far as I’ve read, several families loaded up the trolleys and tried to wheel them out of the supermarket without paying, claiming to have no money. It wasn’t looting in the usual sense.
Not many scientists are doing that. Most know that China’s numbers are not extremely accurate even if the reason and magnitude of the inaccuracies is unknown. There are problems with numbers all across the world for different reasons, that’s part of the challenge of a new virus and rapid pandemic in epidemiology.
Which means exactly nothing when NYC has so many serious cases they can’t treat them all. Practically speaking it doesn’t matter if NYC’s official number is accurate or if there’s really 5x more infections there–they’re already overwhelmed regardless of the “actual” number of infections. They have a US Navy hospital ship docked there for crying out loud.
The number of true infections (as opposed to only the confirmed tested positives) is important for determining spread, mitigation policies, potentially treatment avenues using the asymptomatic cases as a sample pool for what makes the virus less problematic with them, all that. It does not change the fact that hospitals are getting overwhelmed already, and that the shortage is spreading.
Yeah, that’s a situation where its really out of control. Of course it’s too late to change the past, but if some measures had been taken sooner (like isolate the old and sick) then it wouldn’t have gotten to this point.
How would this have changed the numbers? I’m guessing most sick people were already isolated to an extent in hospitals. A lot of old people are more isolated to begin with than the young.
I don’t think this would have the effect that you’re thinking unless you’re really broad with your definition of old. Old unhealthy people are the most susceptible to death. But far from the only people who need to try to avoid it.