[quote]danreeves1973 wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Fraud? What constitutes fraud in a marriage as grounds for divorce? Adultery? Gotta be something else.
Would extensive use of a Miracle bra count as fraud?
Perhaps she thought there was hair under the hat.
Maybe “litte Kenny” was a bit less show stopping than advertised.
In all seriousness, I’ve never heard fraud used as grounds for divorce. Maybe one of our attorneys on here could enlighten us.[/quote]
My “keen legal mind” (ha ha) only has what I wrote above on this one. Subsequent court papers will be telling us a lot more… but given the allegation of fraud, this one looks like it is gonna get super ugly.
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
danreeves1973 wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Fraud? What constitutes fraud in a marriage as grounds for divorce? Adultery? Gotta be something else.
Would extensive use of a Miracle bra count as fraud?
Perhaps she thought there was hair under the hat.
Maybe “litte Kenny” was a bit less show stopping than advertised.
In all seriousness, I’ve never heard fraud used as grounds for divorce. Maybe one of our attorneys on here could enlighten us.
hehe. or not. I think about law too much as it is as a 1L. Rather just nurse my hangover and laugh at the antics of T-Nation this morning. They are always a trip
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How is 1L treating you thus far? The one thing I tell anyone I meet who is a 1L is to basically ignore the stuff your classmates spout off about the first few weeks… since it is all mental masturbation and none of it will be on the exam. lol
I know nothing about the particulars of this case but having a marriage annulled is very different than a divorce.
With the annullment, it’s as though it never happened - with divorce, it happened and ended. Huge impact if either one is Catholic or some strict fundamentalist religion.
My mother was married to my dad for 13 years and when she converted to Catholicism (after having been divorced for about 10 years), she had to have the marriage annulled in order to marry someone “in the church”.
“Fraud” in this scenario can be that one represented themselves as “Christian” and was later found not to be such, or one said they’d never been married only to find out they pulled a Britney when they were 18.
Secularly, when one has a drug/alcohol abuse problem, or a police/prison record, or has grossly misrepresented their financial state (seeming to be ok but really desparate and marrying for money) and successfully hid it from their partner until after marriage it is considered fraud.
I know Renee Zellweger played Bridget Jones in a movie about fat people I never saw.
From all the cowboy hat references I assume Chesney is a country singer. I had no idea that Renee Zelleweger was married.
I may be totally out of touch with pop culture, but I know more about Dragon Tales, Arthur, Clifford and Sesame Street than you guys. I will try to keep the gossip on Arthur and Francine’s secret relationship to myself.
[quote]Kuz wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
danreeves1973 wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Fraud? What constitutes fraud in a marriage as grounds for divorce? Adultery? Gotta be something else.
Would extensive use of a Miracle bra count as fraud?
Perhaps she thought there was hair under the hat.
Maybe “litte Kenny” was a bit less show stopping than advertised.
In all seriousness, I’ve never heard fraud used as grounds for divorce. Maybe one of our attorneys on here could enlighten us.
hehe. or not. I think about law too much as it is as a 1L. Rather just nurse my hangover and laugh at the antics of T-Nation this morning. They are always a trip
How is 1L treating you thus far? The one thing I tell anyone I meet who is a 1L is to basically ignore the stuff your classmates spout off about the first few weeks… since it is all mental masturbation and none of it will be on the exam. lol[/quote]
It’s good. Thanks. Busy and lots of time reading and working during the week. But I still have lots of fun on the weekends. It’s definitely not college, but the horror stories about the workload are way overblown. Contracts is brutal though.
Most annulments use the term fraud - and one not listed by Karma (you are awesome babe) is children. One wants the other doesn’t
Or he lied and didnt tell her he couldnt have kids (can be changed around to she also)
If you cant list fraud you dont get an annulment. You get a normal plain boring harsh divorce.
AND no one has noted that he first “feel in love with her” in Jerry McGuire. I think it was a star crush gone terribly wrong. Or perhaps she was a notch on his head board and demanded a ring before sex?
I’d argue that Billy Joe Shaver is a better song writer than either of them, maybe the best to ever come out of Texas, at least as good as Town Van Zandt.
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Willie Nelson should kick you in the nads for that.
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
It’s good. Thanks. Busy and lots of time reading and working during the week. But I still have lots of fun on the weekends. It’s definitely not college, but the horror stories about the workload are way overblown. Contracts is brutal though.
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Glad to hear it is going well. Some people get all sucked up in the hype and hysteria. 1L’s are a notoriously jumpy bunch (i.e. one person buys a particular study aid and says its “good” and suddenly everyone just HAS to have it).
2 thoughts on contracts:
Get the Chirelstein book on Contracts (it is seriously only 200 slim pages and explains most concepts 10X better than most professors… it has a ship on the cover); and
I do contracts law as my job, so feel free to bang out a PM to me if you want.
I’d argue that Billy Joe Shaver is a better song writer than either of them, maybe the best to ever come out of Texas, at least as good as Town Van Zandt.
Willie Nelson should kick you in the nads for that.
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A quote from Willie Nelson on Shaver. And I’m including one link where I found the quote. I’ve also seen this quote in Texas Music magazine and the book “Honkeytonk Heroes.”
“Billy Joe Shaver may be the best songwriter alive today.”
Willie Nelson
Not taking anything from Wilie, he’s a tremendous songwriter and a pioneer of music. “Red headed Stranger” and “Phases and Stages” were ground breaking albums.
So now Willie and I and the ghost of Waylon Jennings will kick you in the nads.
[quote]Kuz wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
It’s good. Thanks. Busy and lots of time reading and working during the week. But I still have lots of fun on the weekends. It’s definitely not college, but the horror stories about the workload are way overblown. Contracts is brutal though.
Glad to hear it is going well. Some people get all sucked up in the hype and hysteria. 1L’s are a notoriously jumpy bunch (i.e. one person buys a particular study aid and says its “good” and suddenly everyone just HAS to have it).
2 thoughts on contracts:
Get the Chirelstein book on Contracts (it is seriously only 200 slim pages and explains most concepts 10X better than most professors… it has a ship on the cover); and
I do contracts law as my job, so feel free to bang out a PM to me if you want.
Kuz[/quote]
Awesome! I might take you up on that. I’ve got the Chirelstein. It is good.
Zellweger filed the papers Thursday in Los Angeles Superior Court, citing “fraud” as the reason for the split. The actress’s petition also asks the court not to award spousal support to Chesney.
In a statement released Friday, Zellweger sought to "clarify that the term ‘fraud’ as listed in the documentation is simply legal language and not a reflection of Kenny’s character.
“I would personally be very grateful for your support in refraining from drawing derogatory, hurtful, sensationalized or untrue conclusions and greatly appreciate your understanding that we hope to experience this transition as privately as possible,” the statement read.
Zellweger added that she wants “to maintain the integrity of our privacy by not commenting on the specifics of our decision.”
Chesney followed up with his own statement Friday echoing Zellweger’s sentiments. “This is an incredibly sad time,” he said. “I just hope everyone can respect the privacy that I know Ren?e has already asked for.”
Then, late Friday, Zellweger and Chesney released a third statement, saying that “the miscommunication of the objective of their marriage at the start is the only reason for this annulment. Ren?e and Kenny value and respect each other and are saddened that their different objectives prevent the success of this marriage.”
No word on what the couple’s “different objectives” were.
One of my hot coworkers and I were laughing about this, and she said that it all makes sense. Renee found out that Kenny is gay. My girlie here had given their marriage six months, but they didn’t even make it that far, did they?
“He thinks my tractor’s sexy” just doesn’t ring with the country music fan base. Poor guy has to stay in the closet if he expects to get anywhere with his career.