Well you did have things like paying money for years out of Purgatory, and some stretches of Popes that came from rich families who gave much money to the Church.
[quote]mertdawg wrote:
Well you did have things like paying money for years out of Purgatory, and some stretches of Popes that came from rich families who gave much money to the Church. [/quote]
Let me know where you don’t find corruption…
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:<<< So Jesus was lying that the Gates of Hell would not prevail against his Church?[/quote]Not possible and the fact that the gates of hell long ago prevailed against Rome is proof that it isn’t. Wadda ya want me to say Chris. I do not buy ANY of the claims of the Catholic church
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Oh, so your calling Jesus a liar? Because when he was speaking to Peter, in the audience of all of the Apostles, he really meant John Calvin?
[quote]pat wrote:<<< It really kinda sucks that so many Protestants still see us as enemies. >>>[/quote]I just cannot bring myself to give up trying to communicate with you Pat. Protestants do not see Catholic people as enemies. What really sucks is all the protestants who DON’T see catholicISM as their enemy. Like they once universally did before being seduced by all this kissy faced ecumenism.
Me, Pat and Chris will have great conversations when Im done my exams (at least I hope so) 
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:<<< It really kinda sucks that so many Protestants still see us as enemies. >>>[/quote]I just cannot bring myself to give up trying to communicate with you Pat. Protestants do not see Catholic people as enemies. What really sucks is all the protestants who DON’T see catholicISM as their enemy. Like they once universally did before being seduced by all this kissy faced ecumenism.
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Why shouldn’t one denomonation of Protestantists have equal issue with each of the other 10,000+ protestant denomonations?
[quote]mertdawg wrote:<<< For truly I say to you, Till heaven and earth pass, one stroke or one pronunciation mark shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. >>>[/quote]Please read the book of Hebrews and tell me that the ceremonial law was not fulfilled in Christ. The veil of the temple being rent from top to bottom alone illustrates that very thing.[quote]mertdawg wrote:<<< What makes something a prayer then? >>>[/quote]The psalms are hymns to be sung, especially the ones with clear verse built into their structure. Singing is not prayer though both are worship. That is not the same thing as reciting whole prayers over and over.[quote]mertdawg wrote:Orthodox Christians never understood the rosary, I have to admit, but we do meditate on the phrase:
Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God;
have mercy on me a sinner.
We strive to say it with every breath.[/quote]You’re a sinner, but not a wretch? I’m jist askin. For the record I ask the Lord 100 times a day to have mercy on me a sinner.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]jakerz96 wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
That is neither a prayer nor is it repetitious. This http://www.theholyrosary.org/ is possibly the most pathetic piece of death ever offered to a living God.[/quote]
Ah Tirib, you’re so amicable… While I personally don’t like saying/praying the rosary per se. I do meditate on the mysteries which one is supposed to be meditating on while reciting the prayers (the prayers are almost like a timer as far as I’m concerned). That, I imagine is something you’d have no problem with, as it is in essence meditating on the life of Christ.[/quote]How ya been Jake. I was thinking about you this morning
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Doing quite well and yourself?
[quote]mertdawg wrote:<<< Why shouldn’t one denomonation of Protestantists have equal issue with each of the other 10,000+ protestant denomonations?[/quote]Because the core of the gospel remains intact and where it doesn’t there most assuredly is great issue taken. This Saturday morning there will be tens of thousands of Christians (as in fanatical fundamentalist believers like me) meeting in the main parking lot of Comerica Park where the Tigers play, for a unified prayer march http://finance.yahoo.com/news/20000-Expected-in-Downtown-prnews-3723434059.html?x=0&.v=1 to the Spirit of Detroit The Spirit of Detroit - Wikipedia Only 10 to 15 years after the commission of that memorial to God in our city she began her fateful slide into oblivion. The enemy never sleeps.
They will be from at least 500 churches we know of for sure and dozens of denominations. We have differences, but none that sever the bonds of the Spirit of the gospel of grace. My pastor and the director of E.A.C.H. were invited to Fox 2 news studios downtown yesterday morning to be interviewed. It will be all over the news and the E.A.C.H. outreach as well. You can see for yourself the terrible protestant division as this spreads to other American cities. It started in Uganda actually. Word as of earlier tonight was that 50,000 wouldn’t be a shock.
[quote]jakerz96 wrote:<<< Doing quite well and yourself?[/quote]I also am this way =] Lotsa challenges, but the battles are the Lords.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
You’re a sinner, but not a wretch? I’m jist askin. For the record I ask the Lord 100 times a day to have mercy on me a sinner.
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Exactly 100? That sounds a bit too legalistic to me.
[quote]byukid wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
You’re a sinner, but not a wretch? I’m jist askin. For the record I ask the Lord 100 times a day to have mercy on me a sinner.
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Exactly 100? That sounds a bit too legalistic to me.[/quote]
We can all set objective goals can’t we?
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Please read the book of Hebrews and tell me that the ceremonial law was not fulfilled in Christ. The veil of the temple being rent from top to bottom alone illustrates that very thing.[/quote] It is. He taught to do this in rememberance of me… Baptise all nations (in a ceremonial format. God created the unfallen cosmos and every molecule was deemed essential and it was good, and unfallen matter leads us along the path of perfection. Why would we not use unfallen matter that he has given us to follow the path to perfection?
[quote]mertdawg wrote:<<< What makes something a prayer then? >>>[/quote] The psalms are hymns to be sung, especially the ones with clear verse built into their structure. Singing is not prayer though both are worship. That is not the same thing as reciting whole prayers over and over.[quote]mertdawg wrote:Orthodox Christians never understood the rosary, I have to admit, but we do meditate on the phrase:
Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God;
have mercy on me a sinner.
We strive to say it with every breath.[/quote]You’re a sinner, but not a wretch? I’m jist askin. For the record I ask the Lord 100 times a day to have mercy on me a sinner.
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I don’t have a problem with the song Amazing Grace, but I would not use it in Church because we have other hymns that have been ordained for that. We use God inspired and traditionally accepted scripture in Church. We disagree about the definition of prayer. Almost every prayer in the Orthodox Church is sung/chanted (chant simply being the Latin root for to sing).
[quote]byukid wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
You’re a sinner, but not a wretch? I’m jist askin. For the record I ask the Lord 100 times a day to have mercy on me a sinner.
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Exactly 100? That sounds a bit too legalistic to me.[/quote]
http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon020.htm
and
D&C 119: 3-6
4 And after that, those who have thus been tithed shall pay one-tenth of all their interest annually; and this shall be a standing law unto them forever, for my holy priesthood, saith the Lord.
D&C 43: 2-9
2 For behold, verily, verily, I say unto you, that ye have received a commandment for a law unto my church, through him whom I have appointed unto you to receive commandments and revelations from my hand.
3 And this ye shall know assuredlyâ??that there is none other appointed unto you to receive commandments and revelations until he be taken, if he abide in me.
4 But verily, verily, I say unto you, that none else shall be appointed unto this gift except it be through him; for if it be taken from him he shall not have power except to appoint another in his stead.
D&C 76: 43-45
43 Who glorifies the Father, and saves all the works of his hands, except those sons of perdition who deny the Son after the Father has revealed him.
44 Wherefore, he saves all except themâ??they shall go away into everlasting punishment, which is endless punishment, which is eternal punishment, to reign with the devil and his angels in eternity, where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched, which is their tormentâ??
45 And the end thereof, neither the place thereof, nor their torment, no man knows;
Maybe its legalistic when its Prayer and not legalistic when its money… Discuss…
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]mertdawg wrote:<<< Why shouldn’t one denomonation of Protestantists have equal issue with each of the other 10,000+ protestant denomonations?[/quote]Because the core of the gospel remains intact and where it doesn’t there most assuredly is great issue taken. This Saturday morning there will be tens of thousands of Christians (as in fanatical fundamentalist believers like me) meeting in the main parking lot of Comerica Park where the Tigers play, for a unified prayer march http://finance.yahoo.com/news/20000-Expected-in-Downtown-prnews-3723434059.html?x=0&.v=1 to the Spirit of Detroit The Spirit of Detroit - Wikipedia Only 10 to 15 years after the commission of that memorial to God in our city she began her fateful slide into oblivion. The enemy never sleeps.
They will be from at least 500 churches we know of for sure and dozens of denominations. We have differences, but none that sever the bonds of the Spirit of the gospel of grace. My pastor and the director of E.A.C.H. were invited to Fox 2 news studios downtown yesterday morning to be interviewed. It will be all over the news and the E.A.C.H. outreach as well. You can see for yourself the terrible protestant division as this spreads to other American cities. It started in Uganda actually. Word as of earlier tonight was that 50,000 wouldn’t be a shock.
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“A church divided is no church at all”. This is why organized religion is not to be taken seriously, you have infinite devisions of faith with in each of the 30K+ churches them selves… You have over 30K factions of Christianity, if it was all about the core of the gospel then why the need for so many?
You know any Catholics that are okay with gay Marriage? I do.
Now that the pope has openly supported the use of condoms among Hiv positive homosexual prostitutes do you?
The core of religion is to create division and then sell the path to salvation to their congregation. It is a business and you can shop for any of the bells and whistles you want. If you cant find the right fit than open your own brand.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:<<< Jesus said not one letter of the law will pass. >>>[/quote]You’d have to be a Catholic to think He was talking about the ceremonial law.
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Oh really? So for instance, Genesis chapters 1 & 2, two different accounts of creation are to be taken literally, but when Jesus says that not one letter of the law will pass, that was figurative…Interesting, so how do you pick and choose.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:<<< It really kinda sucks that so many Protestants still see us as enemies. >>>[/quote]I just cannot bring myself to give up trying to communicate with you Pat. Protestants do not see Catholic people as enemies. What really sucks is all the protestants who DON’T see catholicISM as their enemy. Like they once universally did before being seduced by all this kissy faced ecumenism.
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Well I do consider Calvin a friend of Satan. Certainly no prophet. The retarded stupidity behind divine election is enough to urinate on his grave for bringing this heresy upon the world.
If you see my church are your enemy, that’s the way you see me. I love the church.
You church was founded by a weak, stupid man, my church was founded by Jesus himself…If you want to win the pissing contest, that is check-mate, game-set-match.
[quote]forbes wrote:
Me, Pat and Chris will have great conversations when Im done my exams (at least I hope so) :P[/quote]
I look forward to it… 
[quote]mertdawg wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:<<< It really kinda sucks that so many Protestants still see us as enemies. >>>[/quote]I just cannot bring myself to give up trying to communicate with you Pat. Protestants do not see Catholic people as enemies. What really sucks is all the protestants who DON’T see catholicISM as their enemy. Like they once universally did before being seduced by all this kissy faced ecumenism.
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Why shouldn’t one denomonation of Protestantists have equal issue with each of the other 10,000+ protestant denomonations?[/quote]
36,000 ish…but who’s counting…And some do with others…There are big arguments with Calvinism vs. Arminianism
[quote]mertdawg wrote:
[quote]byukid wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
You’re a sinner, but not a wretch? I’m jist askin. For the record I ask the Lord 100 times a day to have mercy on me a sinner.
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Exactly 100? That sounds a bit too legalistic to me.[/quote]
http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon020.htm
and
D&C 119: 3-6
4 And after that, those who have thus been tithed shall pay one-tenth of all their interest annually; and this shall be a standing law unto them forever, for my holy priesthood, saith the Lord.
D&C 43: 2-9
2 For behold, verily, verily, I say unto you, that ye have received a commandment for a law unto my church, through him whom I have appointed unto you to receive commandments and revelations from my hand.
3 And this ye shall know assuredlyâ??that there is none other appointed unto you to receive commandments and revelations until he be taken, if he abide in me.
4 But verily, verily, I say unto you, that none else shall be appointed unto this gift except it be through him; for if it be taken from him he shall not have power except to appoint another in his stead.
D&C 76: 43-45
43 Who glorifies the Father, and saves all the works of his hands, except those sons of perdition who deny the Son after the Father has revealed him.
44 Wherefore, he saves all except themâ??they shall go away into everlasting punishment, which is endless punishment, which is eternal punishment, to reign with the devil and his angels in eternity, where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched, which is their tormentâ??
45 And the end thereof, neither the place thereof, nor their torment, no man knows;
Maybe its legalistic when its Prayer and not legalistic when its money… Discuss…
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Lol. You realize my first post was joking, right? And I’m confused about D&C 76 being reference. Also, referencing exmormon.org in a religious discussion is like referencing the National Inquirer in a political discussion.