I am going to also go on record as saying that sarcasm in itself is not evil or useless. It can be a potent rhetorical device and it can be one in righteousness. Just off the top of my head Elijah went pretty rough on the prophets of Baal.
There is a difference between sarcasm that is designed to enhance the illustration of a legitimate point or points and sarcasm that is intended to get the best of or to personally denigrate someone. That line can be fine and intention doesn’t always translate artfully into delivery.
This area is close to my heart because I can wield razor edged sarcasm with the best of em and in the process of making points that I stand by to this day I have at times hurt people, sometimes deeply, and brought dishonor on my Lord in so doing.
I LOVE to be “right”. As in REALLY love. However, if I find myself standing proudly over an opponent who’s been vanquished in the name of my superior intellect and debating skills rather than in the name of the God who’s grace has given me both? Then I have not merely failed in victory, but committed the sin of the haughty eye and worshiping the creature, myself, rather than the creator. Having exalted my own glory above the glory of my Lord Jesus who alone is worthy.
There’s nothing more reprehensible than an arrogant Calvinist who’s own theology should preclude the very possibility of such arrogance. The point? I dunno. I just felt like hearin myself talk this morning =]
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Must be talking about Protestants, because Catholics pray for true unity. That people stop being prideful and come back to their mother who knows best.[/quote]
Whenever I go to church, more and more, the behavior of the people there seems to me to be bordering on dementia. If space aliens came down and watched all these people chanting and then watched everyone line up while a man in bizarre robes put a cookie on their tongue or put the cookie in their hand…the aliens would be locked up if they reported it. The space alien boss would accuse them of being cracked out on the job.
Yes, there is a God. But The God of Spinoza is a lot closer to the real God.
How anyone believes this religious hogwash…
[quote]Headhunter wrote:<<< How anyone believes this religious hogwash… [/quote]There’s a world of dirty hogs out there. Hey, waddaya know. In here too. There’s one in my mirror right now. See the epistemology thread please.
[quote]Mr. Chen wrote:
Not just baptists. Plenty of protestants think using the term “father” as an address is against Christ’s prohibition. I understand you are not convinced, of course. My point was only it’s hardly a petty topic. Whether my argument was successful or not is irrelevant. I was not attempting to marshal an army of agreement from among ignorant baptists. (sarcasm here just to liven things up, and to show I actually take no offense at you lumping me in with said ignorant mass)[/quote]
Haha well I didn’t call you or other baptists ignorant. There is a big difference between an insular, self-affirming group and an ignorant one. And once again, the Protestant critique of the use of “holy father” as a title only works with faulty exegesis premised on a faulty view of language. That’s not ignorance, but it certainly is petty. Of all the issues to raise, this is the LEAST important one. What about prayer to beings other than God, a non-Jewish practice and a vestige of our Gentile origins? What about affirmation of the assumption of Mary, a view with no biblical support whatsoever (aside from a gross and blatant eisegetical reading of Revelation 12), yet one which has been pronounced DOGMA (in short, a belief necessary for participation in the church and thus salvation)? THESE are real issues worth discussing, not the Catholic church’s nomenclature.
[quote]Mr. Chen wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Mr. Chen wrote:
Please recall that until Vat 2, protestants could not even be saved outside the RCC, although I doubt this fact was ever discussed at mass.
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What makes you think they can? Lol.[/quote]
I read somewhere recently that we now have some hope.
Are you tryin to rile me up boy?[/quote]
You’ve always had hope. Especially looking at the dogma of “No Salvation Outside the Church.”
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Matters what you mean by headquartered. The most true head of the Church, Jesus? Well, that’s in a lot of places. Tabernacles, altars, Heaven. If you’re talking about the visible head of the Church. Of course it’s not in Rome, he lives in Vatican City (though he has a wonderful summer home that he works out of when the weather gets hot).
Oh great, equivocation. I’ve shown you the difference. But, go ahead and please show us how all sin is mortal.
Yes, I heard Heaven is mighty burning loving time. My heart will be thoroughly broken when I see his wonderful face. I just can’t wait until you stop pretending to be your own pope and listen to your Mother.
[quote]KingKai25 wrote:
the guy in charge of overseeing the church congregations in what was considered the most important city in the world at the time couldn’t help BUT become extremely powerful[/quote]
He’s really not extremely powerful. What can the Pope do? Nothing really.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Must be talking about Protestants, because Catholics pray for true unity. That people stop being prideful and come back to their mother who knows best.[/quote]
Whenever I go to church, more and more, the behavior of the people there seems to me to be bordering on dementia. If space aliens came down and watched all these people chanting and then watched everyone line up while a man in bizarre robes put a cookie on their tongue or put the cookie in their hand…the aliens would be locked up if they reported it. The space alien boss would accuse them of being cracked out on the job.
Yes, there is a God. But The God of Spinoza is a lot closer to the real God.
How anyone believes this religious hogwash…
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Wow, calling the Eucharist a cookie? Original. Let me write that down, send it to Chick tracks because I’m sure they never thought of that one.
Judas got upset about the teaching, too. John 6:66.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:<<< My heart will be thoroughly broken when I see his wonderful face. >>>[/quote]See now it’s just stuff like this here that shows me a heart being pricked by the Spirit of the Lord. Yes Christopher. Now through a glass darkly, but then face to face when we shall be finally like Him. Moses got a glimpse from the cleft of a rock because no man this side of the resurrection can see His face and live. We will stand in the fullness of His glorious holy presence, cleansed forever from the spot and stain of sin, singing praise and worship to His magnificent majesty. Ohhh bless His name. MARANATHA INDEED!!![quote]Brother Chris wrote:<<< I just can’t wait until you stop pretending to be your own pope and listen to your Mother.[/quote]Then I’m happy and sad for you Chris, because there is no such thing as a pope and therefore I cannot be my own. However my mother died in 2010 and even while she was alive, listening to her as that phrase is being used here, would have been very spiritually ill advised. I do so understand the longing for something like what your church claims to be. On one very real level I share it. It just ain’t so my Brother.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Then I’m happy and sad for you Chris, because there is no such thing as a pope and therefore I cannot be my own. However my mother died in 2010 and even while she was alive, listening to her as that phrase is being used here, would have been very spiritually ill advised. I do so understand the longing for something like what your church claims to be. On one very real level I share it. It just ain’t so my Brother.
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There is no such thing as a pope? So, that guy that sits in the Chair of Peter is just an elusion? That’s kind of weird. Your Mother = Jesus’ wife = Jesus’ body = Mystical Body of Christ = the Church you were born in through baptism, &c.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:<<< So, that guy that sits in the Chair of Peter is just an elusion? [/quote]Absolutely not. Let’s Don’t be silly. Well, lemme explain. Joesph Ratzinger is as real as you or I, but the great apostle has no surviving chair. It probably burned with Jerusalem in 70 ad and B16 represents an illusory position all of the theological and administrative trappings of which are impediments to and not dispensers of the efficacious grace of almighty God. I believe that from the core of my being Chris. I do not say it to hurt you. Or Sloth. Or Cortes. Or Jake. Or Mertdawg. Or Katzenjammer. Or CSEagles1694. Or even Pat.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I’d beg to differ. I’ve seen it with my own eyes.
[quote]It probably burned with Jerusalem in 70 ad and B16 represents an illusory position all of the theological and administrative trappings of which are impediments to and not dispensers of the efficacious grace of almighty God. I believe that from the core of my being Chris. I do not say it to hurt you. Or Sloth. Or Cortes. Or Jake. Or Mertdawg. Or Katzenjammer. Or CSEagles1694. Or even Pat.
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With all do respect, I do not say this to hurt you. I say this because it is the truth. You have yet to prove this, mostly because you’re wrong. I will be glad the day that you realize your foolhardiness and pride in not obeying Christ’s Bride.
And, I don’t mean that it is the same physical chair. It’d be weird for B16 to sit above an altar after all, plus the man’s using a cane…kind of hard to climb up there. No, I mean the Chair of St. Peter as in B16 has the authority given to St. Peter.
I knew what you meant Chris. =] I know what the “cathedra” of St. Peter is all about. I know what “ex cathedra” is which refers the this very “chair”(authority) about which you have presently been typing. T1 does not buy B16’s alleged authority.
I AM the bride of Christ and so are you. And so is every other from among men who are eternally elect as members of the mystical body of Christ. (As I’ve told you. I actually like that term. It’s biblical in principal)
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Must be talking about Protestants, because Catholics pray for true unity. That people stop being prideful and come back to their mother who knows best.[/quote]
Whenever I go to church, more and more, the behavior of the people there seems to me to be bordering on dementia. If space aliens came down and watched all these people chanting and then watched everyone line up while a man in bizarre robes put a cookie on their tongue or put the cookie in their hand…the aliens would be locked up if they reported it. The space alien boss would accuse them of being cracked out on the job.
Yes, there is a God. But The God of Spinoza is a lot closer to the real God.
How anyone believes this religious hogwash…
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Wow, calling the Eucharist a cookie? Original. Let me write that down, send it to Chick tracks because I’m sure they never thought of that one.
Judas got upset about the teaching, too. John 6:66. [/quote]
Do you REALLY believe in transubstantiation? As a man living in 2012, you genuinely believe that such a thing happens?
Then, which is more likely – a space alien landed and took pity on a bunch of savages roaming about squalid huts in a place called Israel and cured some and did ‘miracles’? Or that God decided that he would be re-born as his own son and that he would let himself be tortured to death because letting savages torture you to death is the way to expunge all the evil that they did?
God exists. God is a purely mathematical being of pure logic, with existence being His self-expression (think Spinoza or Hegel). He has no desire to be worshipped by Opus Dei or have people wearing vest bombs walk into daycare centers in Israel and in His name.
When you finally realize this, you will know God.
[quote]KingKai25 wrote:
[quote]Mr. Chen wrote:
Not just baptists. Plenty of protestants think using the term “father” as an address is against Christ’s prohibition. I understand you are not convinced, of course. My point was only it’s hardly a petty topic. Whether my argument was successful or not is irrelevant. I was not attempting to marshal an army of agreement from among ignorant baptists. (sarcasm here just to liven things up, and to show I actually take no offense at you lumping me in with said ignorant mass)[/quote]
Haha well I didn’t call you or other baptists ignorant. There is a big difference between an insular, self-affirming group and an ignorant one. And once again, the Protestant critique of the use of “holy father” as a title only works with faulty exegesis premised on a faulty view of language. That’s not ignorance, but it certainly is petty. Of all the issues to raise, this is the LEAST important one. What about prayer to beings other than God, a non-Jewish practice and a vestige of our Gentile origins? What about affirmation of the assumption of Mary, a view with no biblical support whatsoever (aside from a gross and blatant eisegetical reading of Revelation 12), yet one which has been pronounced DOGMA (in short, a belief necessary for participation in the church and thus salvation)? THESE are real issues worth discussing, not the Catholic church’s nomenclature. [/quote]
If I was sensitive, I might have considered this sentence to say about as much:
“without being capable of convincing any other reasonable person”
See what I mean, this medium won’t work well without a decent amount of back and forth.
Those other topics are even better. I picked the HF issue as an interim project, Br. Chris can verify. And I did so because we had been working on the pope/no pope topic via Peter.
I am going to go back to your last to me on the HF thing, because I think you’re wrong wrong wrong, but I can’t do it today. I will go back to it, not because the topic itself is so important, but rather as an issue of exegesis.
I’m sure you’ll be busy though in the meantime, as someone will probably jump on something you’ve mentioned above. I’ll be sympathizing with you silently from my corner.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Must be talking about Protestants, because Catholics pray for true unity. That people stop being prideful and come back to their mother who knows best.[/quote]
Whenever I go to church, more and more, the behavior of the people there seems to me to be bordering on dementia. If space aliens came down and watched all these people chanting and then watched everyone line up while a man in bizarre robes put a cookie on their tongue or put the cookie in their hand…the aliens would be locked up if they reported it. The space alien boss would accuse them of being cracked out on the job.
Yes, there is a God. But The God of Spinoza is a lot closer to the real God.
How anyone believes this religious hogwash…
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Why is no one asking the obvious of Headhunter: Why do you go to church then?
Man I need sleep. This post was for another thread
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Mr. Chen wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Mr. Chen wrote:
Please recall that until Vat 2, protestants could not even be saved outside the RCC, although I doubt this fact was ever discussed at mass.
[/quote]
What makes you think they can? Lol.[/quote]
I read somewhere recently that we now have some hope.
Are you tryin to rile me up boy?[/quote]
You’ve always had hope. Especially looking at the dogma of “No Salvation Outside the Church.”[/quote]
Here’s one page of several I’ve looked at recently:
Looks like according to #48, I am lost, as I have not been properly baptized into the RC Church. Looks like #47 A, B, and C, also condemn me.
I’m putting this up cause I said I would, however it looks like I’ll just have to post and retreat. I’ve got a plane to catch.
[quote]Mr. Chen wrote:
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Must be talking about Protestants, because Catholics pray for true unity. That people stop being prideful and come back to their mother who knows best.[/quote]
Whenever I go to church, more and more, the behavior of the people there seems to me to be bordering on dementia. If space aliens came down and watched all these people chanting and then watched everyone line up while a man in bizarre robes put a cookie on their tongue or put the cookie in their hand…the aliens would be locked up if they reported it. The space alien boss would accuse them of being cracked out on the job.
Yes, there is a God. But The God of Spinoza is a lot closer to the real God.
How anyone believes this religious hogwash…
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Why is no one asking the obvious of Headhunter: Why do you go to church then?[/quote]
Part of my teaching job. Half the faculty here are either atheists or Jews, yet they force us to go listen to these ravings. One guy (a Jew) says he goes to the church here, more than he goes to Temple.
Ohio sucks for jobs so I’m stuck listening to this drivel. For a while anyway…
God is cool but this comic book version of God is just plain pathetic.
“By â??get itâ?? I mean that he still seems to believe that he personally behaved appropriately in the circumstances by which the late Father Brendan Smyth, a rapacious paedophile of almost unimaginable moral corruption, was tacitly permitted by the Church to continue brutally abusing children for 40 years, long after the ecclesiastical authorities knew what he was up to.”
The Roman Catholic Church has protected evil for too long
Yo, brothers…your church is run by the scum of the earth.