Yes, yes we know. Narrow statement about Catholics overlays all Catholics, narrow statement about Protestants stays narrow. We know the rules of the game.[/quote]It is, as with everything else, no accident that I have monumentally important personal responsibilities to deal with right now which are limiting my time here Christopher. Once we get into the topics of ecclesiology and authority it will be clear. I was agreeing with this guy’s view of alcohol btw. You are being short and snippy with me for a few weeks now. You hate what I believe that much Chris?
Yes, yes we know. Narrow statement about Catholics overlays all Catholics, narrow statement about Protestants stays narrow. We know the rules of the game.[/quote]It is, as with everything else, no accident that I have monumentally important personal responsibilities to deal with right now which are limiting my time here Christopher. Once we get into the topics of ecclesiology and authority it will be clear. I was agreeing with this guy’s view of alcohol btw. You are being short and snippy with me for a few weeks now. You hate what I believe that much Chris?
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No, but I do find it interesting that your avatar is a Templar (or is that just a generalization of all Crusaders?), a monk-knight.
And, as Bernard put it, that a knight “glories in the death of the pagan.”
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:<<< No, but I do find it interesting that your avatar is a Templar (or is that just a generalization of all Crusaders?), a monk-knight.
And, as Bernard put it, that a knight “glories in the death of the pagan.”
[/quote]You don’t hate schismatic heresy Chris? I would have thought love for the Lord would be practically synonymous with hatred for such things.
[quote]okage wrote:<<< I believe Tiribulus has a badass profile picture!>>> [/quote]Thank you. Ever seen the bumper sticker that says “real men fight on their knees”? That’s what that is. (Ephesians 6:10-20) Witness the vanquishing of the hordes of hell. =] I didn’t draw it btw.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:<<< No, but I do find it interesting that your avatar is a Templar (or is that just a generalization of all Crusaders?), a monk-knight.
And, as Bernard put it, that a knight “glories in the death of the pagan.”
[/quote]You don’t hate schismatic heresy Chris? I would have thought love for the Lord would be practically synonymous with hatred for such things.[/quote]
Too bad that’s not the subject of conversation in which I answered. You were on the subject of me being “snippy.” You feign that I am angry at you for some reason. When no such thing is true. I am utterly dispassionate in this debate. If anything Mr. Chen is enough “snippy” for the both of him and I, ten times over. I don’t really need to be snippy.
[quote]Here is what my avatar means to me.
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Couldn’t find it, it’s still a Templar, a Catholic monk who won back the Holy Lands, protected pilgrims, and slaughtered the infidels in their duty to Christ and his Church and who was part of the second wealthiest and second most powerful force in Christendom.
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I had a few minutes and read this. What a joke. I went to a catholic highschool. Those years REGULARLY I observed my classmates parents, upstanding adult members of the catholic community, bouncing off the walls because they were sloshed.
Why in the world did you post this link? Do you actually think it’s representitive?
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:<<< No, but I do find it interesting that your avatar is a Templar (or is that just a generalization of all Crusaders?), a monk-knight.
And, as Bernard put it, that a knight “glories in the death of the pagan.”
[/quote]You don’t hate schismatic heresy Chris? I would have thought love for the Lord would be practically synonymous with hatred for such things.
[quote]okage wrote:<<< I believe Tiribulus has a badass profile picture!>>> [/quote]Thank you. Ever seen the bumper sticker that says “real men fight on their knees”? That’s what that is. (Ephesians 6:10-20) Witness the vanquishing of the hordes of hell. =] I didn’t draw it btw.
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Tiribulus…it is a beautiful piece of artwork. Lovely in the context of the armour of God fighting spiritual warfare.
However, Brother Chris is right in that it also conjures images of one of Christianiy’s aggressive, bloody and intolerant periods. It’s an image that makes me very sad and ashamed as a Christian.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:<<< Couldn’t find it, it’s still a Templar, a Catholic monk who won back the Holy Lands, protected pilgrims, and slaughtered the infidels in their duty to Christ and his Church and who was part of the second wealthiest and second most powerful force in Christendom. >>>[/quote]Fine. I used it because it graphically represents the prayer lives of the brotherhood of my spiritual family. Sisterhood too =] Shout out to Sister Deborah who will singlehandedly put a legion to flight in the name of Jesus I’ll tell ya.
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I had a few minutes and read this. What a joke.[/quote]
Yes, I assume you would think so, as a teetotaler you probably hate God’s gift to man, or as a habitual drunkard you’d rather chug whiskey until you can’t even crawl to bed.
Congratulations, I guess you missed the part of the title that said, “The Lost Art…”
I’m sorry that you had to witness such scandal, but do you really think your anecdotal evidence is a representative of the whole? Are all Catholics perpetual drunks? Maybe that’s why we kneel so much in Mass…maybe because we can’t stand up because we’re all drunkards!
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:<<< No, but I do find it interesting that your avatar is a Templar (or is that just a generalization of all Crusaders?), a monk-knight.
And, as Bernard put it, that a knight “glories in the death of the pagan.”
[/quote]You don’t hate schismatic heresy Chris? I would have thought love for the Lord would be practically synonymous with hatred for such things.
[quote]okage wrote:<<< I believe Tiribulus has a badass profile picture!>>> [/quote]Thank you. Ever seen the bumper sticker that says “real men fight on their knees”? That’s what that is. (Ephesians 6:10-20) Witness the vanquishing of the hordes of hell. =] I didn’t draw it btw.
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Tiribulus…it is a beautiful piece of artwork. Lovely in the context of the armour of God fighting spiritual warfare.
However, Brother Chris is right in that it also conjures images of one of Christianiy’s aggressive, bloody and intolerant periods. It’s an image that makes me very sad and ashamed as a Christian. [/quote]
Eh, maybe. Templar’s weren’t known for their brutality against non-combatants. After the first crusade, which could be considered a Just War, the Templars did one of two things, only killed those who were armed infidels or at least spared the women and children of the infidels. I’m sure it happened, but mostly they took back Christian lands, protected Christian pilgrims, &c.
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I had a few minutes and read this. What a joke.[/quote]
Yes, I assume you would think so, as a teetotaler you probably hate God’s gift to man, or as a habitual drunkard you’d rather chug whiskey until you can’t even crawl to bed.
Congratulations, I guess you missed the part of the title that said, “The Lost Art…”
I’m sorry that you had to witness such scandal, but do you really think your anecdotal evidence is a representative of the whole? Are all Catholics perpetual drunks? Maybe that’s why we kneel so much in Mass…maybe because we can’t stand up because we’re all drunkards![/quote]
The loss of the art was referring the current extreme practice of them protestants. However catholics practice the middle way:
“Avoid each extreme- thats how you drink like a Catholic. This is the art of Catholic drinking.”
The author also was using anecdotal evidence, yet he seemed to think it worth a whole article. I still don’t understand why you bothered posting it. It wasn’t of any more real value then my comment on the subject.
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I had a few minutes and read this. What a joke.[/quote]
Yes, I assume you would think so, as a teetotaler you probably hate God’s gift to man, or as a habitual drunkard you’d rather chug whiskey until you can’t even crawl to bed.
Congratulations, I guess you missed the part of the title that said, “The Lost Art…”
I’m sorry that you had to witness such scandal, but do you really think your anecdotal evidence is a representative of the whole? Are all Catholics perpetual drunks? Maybe that’s why we kneel so much in Mass…maybe because we can’t stand up because we’re all drunkards![/quote]
The loss of the art was referring the current extreme practice of them protestants. However catholics practice the middle way:
“Avoid each extreme- thats how you drink like a Catholic. This is the art of Catholic drinking.”
The author also was using anecdotal evidence, yet he seemed to think it worth a whole article. I still don’t understand why you bothered posting it. It wasn’t of any more real value then my comment on the subject.[/quote]
Because a member of this site has indicated that he wonders if I imbibe in strong drink too much. I posted it for said member’s sake.
[quote]Mr. Chen wrote:
I’m sorry that you had to witness such scandal, but do you really think your anecdotal evidence is a representative of the whole? Are all Catholics perpetual drunks? Maybe that’s why we kneel so much in Mass…maybe because we can’t stand up because we’re all drunkards![/quote]
The loss of the art was referring the current extreme practice of them protestants. However catholics practice the middle way:
“Avoid each extreme- thats how you drink like a Catholic. This is the art of Catholic drinking.”
The author also was using anecdotal evidence, yet he seemed to think it worth a whole article. I still don’t understand why you bothered posting it. It wasn’t of any more real value then my comment on the subject.[/quote]
Yes, like a Catholic. As in ought. Not how all Catholics drink, but how people ought to drink.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Because a member of this site has indicated that he wonders if I imbibe in strong drink too much. I posted it for said member’s sake. [/quote]
Clarified.
If we’re going to have strange rules so that we can’t make things up (because you know only using the Bible really stopped all those heresies), I say we use the longest used vocabulary and language the Bible has used, theological Latin.[/quote]
Heresy is primarily about how you use the words. I could just as easily use your RC vocabulary and make heresy.
Use Latin? Then everyone would have to study Latin before they could learn any bible doctrine. The beauty of Scripture is it’s own vocabulary is largely adequate to teach anything.[/quote]
Yes, so stop making ridiculous rules. Define your definitions, make distinctions and move on. Doctrine is not the same thing as a systematic teaching of biblical truth. [/quote]
So are you wanting to explain the RC systematic teaching on humility? I don’t know how you could make one.
I was educated for a time at a Jesuit institution, but I now disavow that association.
I came into this thread because you wanted to move our conversation here. Now you’re stuck with me.
Both you and Pat have implied I know nothing of your doctrine, yet we have discussed Peter, as well as Paul’s teaching on the law and justification. We will get back to Mt 16:18, so study up. Although KingKai has already taken it past your capabilities. It’s interesting I state RC doctrine of salvation is “another gospel”, and Pat immediately gives me a verse on works. I guess he knows I know what the issue is. I guess I know something huh?
But let’s just do a short one in the interim:
I don’t think the pope should allow himself to be addressed as “Holy Father”, let alone Most Holy Father, because it is a term used to address my Heavenly Father, and NEVER used to refer to any man. How does your papa have the audacity to appropriate it for himself?[/quote]
That is not a Catholic doctrine. Seems like your hung up on minutia. You said you have issues with Catholic doctrine. BC asked you to name one, explain it correctly and then explain your issue with it.
The pope cannot control how he is referred. The name he chose for himself is Pope Benedict XVI. Seems like you don’t know any Catholic doctrine.
Put up or shut up, Chen.[/quote]
As you should have already noted from above, what exactly a Catholic doctrine is needed some clarification.
As far as your claim the pope is not able to control what people call him, absolutely ridiculous.
His habit of taking a name like a king is peculiar. Does this have some precedent in Scripture that I’ve missed, or perhaps during the early decades of church life?
[quote]Mr. Chen wrote:
Although KingKai has already taken it past your capabilities. It’s interesting I state RC doctrine of salvation is “another gospel”, and Pat immediately gives me a verse on works.
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Yep, KingKai definitely handed you your own ass. [/quote]
You are standing behind someone else and gloating? You should send him some money to help with his tuition. And then send him some more as your tuition.
The phrase in my avatar says- The hero carries God’s sword. You are neither. Go back and squat in the corner with Sloth, it seems you 2 are a pair.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Eh, maybe. Templar’s weren’t known for their brutality against non-combatants. After the first crusade, which could be considered a Just War, the Templars did one of two things, only killed those who were armed infidels or at least spared the women and children of the infidels. I’m sure it happened, but mostly they took back Christian lands, protected Christian pilgrims, &c. [/quote]
I’m sure you’re right. I started to research the subject of the Crusades on the net and eventually came across a listing of all the warfare and people killed over religious differences throughout history. It wasn’t even an exhaustive list and you’ve probably seen them before. That saddens me even more than just thinking about the Christian crusades!
My question is how do you keep the faith knowing that Catholisicm (and other religions) have such a horrid and cruel history? It seems that religous tolerance is the only way to go. I know there are exceptions from a human rights standpoint - i.e. the Taliban. But seriously, how does a religous person come to peace with a murderous past of their religion?
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Eh, maybe. Templar’s weren’t known for their brutality against non-combatants. After the first crusade, which could be considered a Just War, the Templars did one of two things, only killed those who were armed infidels or at least spared the women and children of the infidels. I’m sure it happened, but mostly they took back Christian lands, protected Christian pilgrims, &c. [/quote]
I’m sure you’re right. I started to research the subject of the Crusades on the net and eventually came across a listing of all the warfare and people killed over religious differences throughout history. It wasn’t even an exhaustive list and you’ve probably seen them before. That saddens me even more than just thinking about the Christian crusades!
My question is how do you keep the faith knowing that Catholisicm (and other religions) have such a horrid and cruel history? It seems that religous tolerance is the only way to go. I know there are exceptions from a human rights standpoint - i.e. the Taliban. But seriously, how does a religous person come to peace with a murderous past of their religion?[/quote]
Easy answer, my faith is not in men. Catholicism is not founded on the holiness of man, it is founded on the holiness of God and the fallenness of man. It is the Church militant, not the Church triumphant.
Let me ask you a question before I continue (if the above is not in-depth enough for you), is fighting ever the answer?
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Eh, maybe. Templar’s weren’t known for their brutality against non-combatants. After the first crusade, which could be considered a Just War, the Templars did one of two things, only killed those who were armed infidels or at least spared the women and children of the infidels. I’m sure it happened, but mostly they took back Christian lands, protected Christian pilgrims, &c. [/quote]
I’m sure you’re right. I started to research the subject of the Crusades on the net and eventually came across a listing of all the warfare and people killed over religious differences throughout history. It wasn’t even an exhaustive list and you’ve probably seen them before. That saddens me even more than just thinking about the Christian crusades!
My question is how do you keep the faith knowing that Catholisicm (and other religions) have such a horrid and cruel history? It seems that religous tolerance is the only way to go. I know there are exceptions from a human rights standpoint - i.e. the Taliban. But seriously, how does a religous person come to peace with a murderous past of their religion?[/quote]
Easy answer, my faith is not in men. Catholicism is not founded on the holiness of man, it is founded on the holiness of God and the fallenness of man. It is the Church militant, not the Church triumphant.
Let me ask you a question before I continue (if the above is not in-depth enough for you), is fighting ever the answer?[/quote]
Sure, as a last resort, fighting can be the answer. Fighting is good in self-defense (protection). Fighting can get back things stolen from you (restoration). I’m not sure I understand the Church militant. I’d rather see and be part of a Church triumphant.