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[quote]Professor X wrote:
btm62 wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
The ones that are found guilty should be dragged in the streets and shot.

And people wonder why I turn away from organized religion so heavily…

102 priests have committed this crime since 1940. Countless others who are not priests or religious have done the same thing since then. Great logic for turning away from organized religion.

Very true. That is simply a reason to lose faith in humanity.

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You beat me to it.

In a “house of God” these abominable acts occur.

Not too mention btm, other things might happen in one’s life that make them discount judeo-christian concepts of God. Or didn’t they teach you that in Sunday school?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
I am not arguing about the definition of pedophilia.

I am discussing the specifics of the Catholic Church.

Priests aren’t playing with 6 year olds. They are getting the 14 year olds (for the most part).

There is a big difference in the causes for abusing a young kid and a teenager.

Having sex with a teenager can often be due to normal sexual attraction combined with poor judgement.

Having sex with a 6 year old is not due to normal sexual attraction.

Understood. It just seemed above that people were relating these actions to Pedophilia. I think this is primarily the cause of supressing sexual desires and then trying to cover up every expression of them as if they didn’t happen. If this is happening on a grand scale like this, someone needs to bring it all to light and changes need to be made. People also need to realize the differences between the Catholic chruch and other denominations of Christianity. They are not all in the same.[/quote]

I think we are starting to get on the same page here.

The majority of problems are likely due to the Church forcing priests to be celibate.

The motivations of most of these priests are often different than the typical pedophile that is attracted to 6 year olds.

Recognizing this will help reduce the problem.

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[quote]btm62 wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
The ones that are found guilty should be dragged in the streets and shot.

And people wonder why I turn away from organized religion so heavily…

102 priests have committed this crime since 1940. Countless others who are not priests or religious have done the same thing since then. Great logic for turning away from organized religion.

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Any institution has problems with hazing, abuse, etc. Some sexual, some non-sexual.

Abuse of power happens in business, schools, government, military, law enforcement, sports and religious organizations.

All these things have their place in society. All these things bring good to society. All these things also have negative aspects.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
I agree completely. I don’t understand how the Catholic church doesn’t see that they help invite this aborration by the sheer nature of their own arrogance. Where in the bible does it say that they should not have sex

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Not a Roman Catholic but I’ll defend the aspect of celibacy within the Christian Church…

b[/b] Jesus Christ speaks of celibacy in the Bible when he refers to the eunuchs who keep themselves celibate for the sake of the kingdom of God.

b[/b] Saint Paul prescribes monasticism (which involves a strictly celibate lifestyle) for Christians who’ve mastered their passions of lust.

b[/b] Jesus Christ, who is the perfect icon of humanity, remained celibate Himself.

an easy read:
http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/general/gospelcall.aspx

Also note, eleven of the twelve originally commissioned Apostles of Christ remained celibate; Saint Peter being the only one who was called into the ministry who had a wife. After being commissioned by Christ, the Apostles kept their preliminary dispositions and they all preached about the perils of fornication (sex outside of marriage).

The concept of celibacy for Christians was first questioned in the 1600’s when heretical Christian sects began to significantly multiply from within the deviant Roman Catholic Church, each attempting to outdue the other in changing one aspect of Christianity so as to stand out from the rest. Enter the year 2006 and we have over 35,000 Christian denominations going against the grain having no clue how or why celibacy was promoted by the early Church…

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[quote]btm62 wrote:
102 priests have committed this crime since 1940. Countless others who are not priests or religious have done the same thing since then. Great logic for turning away from organized religion.

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Excellent point. In our day and age, religion is looked down upon. I’ve come to expect such knee-jerk reactions.

Peace be with you.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
The majority of problems are likely due to the Church forcing priests to be celibate.

The motivations of most of these priests are often different than the typical pedophile that is attracted to 6 year olds.

Recognizing this will help reduce the problem.
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Some critical points I want to mention:

The church of the Bible, the Orthodox Christian Church (which predates Roman Catholicism by ~1000 years), set the tone that diligent, fervent Christians who wished to envelop themselves with spiritual endeavors could do so by joining a monastery (for men) or convent (for women). Doing so required taking the vows of a monk (or nun) and an oath to be chaste, charitable, and accepting of humble conditions. The vow of a monk/nun is superior to a vow of marriage as it signifies a struggle to please God rather than the other which caters to pleasing a spouse.

Once a monk/nun is appointed as such, they’re spiritually restricted from running off and getting married because their original vows were entirely focused on and devoted to God. Getting married in such a scenario would be a spiritual step back. And since monks/nuns can’t marry, and fornication (sex outside of marriage) is prohibited in Christianity, these monks/nuns are to struggle to maintain their committment to chastity by remaining celibate.

A priest’s role, on the other hand, is to minister to the public and to shepherd the flock. Compare this to the monk/nun who has no designated function in dealing with the laity. The monk/nun’s environment is usually one of solitude. So much so that many monks/nuns in the Orthodox Christian Church are not uncommonly appointed as hermits.

Priests within the Orthodox Christian Church are allowed to be either married or unmarried, but this strictly relies on whether or not they were married before ordination; in essence, ordination solidifies their pre-ordination disposition. If a priest is married and then ordained, he becomes a married priest. If a priest is single when he is ordained, he is to remain celibate as a priest. Orthodox Christian priests are prohibited from participating in the sacrament of ordination and then the sacrament of marriage. Again, it is viewed as a spiritual step backwards.

As far as the office of the bishopric goes, until the 400 or 500’s there were regular appointments of married priests who were promoted to bishops. Unfortunately, nepotism became an issue as these married bishops set a trend in promoting biological sons within the clergy to higher offices. As a safeguard against biased promotions, the Orthodox Christian Church set the standard that bishops (who decide on ordinations and promotions) should not be married. The Roman Catholics took this a step further and forced celibacy on all ranks of the clergy. It’s no wonder their seminaries have emptied…

The only conceivable solution for the Roman Catholic Church is to instill the guidelines of the early Church by beginning to allow married men into seminaries and then the priesthood. As far as the ones who’re currently ordained and thus committed to celibacy, they’re basically stuck in that mode.

But let’s not switch focus - although the Roman Catholics veered away from early Church protocols by instituting celibacy for the entire priesthood, every prospective priest knew the terms of his contract so-to-speak.

As an Orthodox Christian, I don’t approve of the way the Roman Catholic Church establishes their standards, but the fact remains that each and every prospective priest knew the regulations of their denomination before accepting ordination. There’s no excuse for the child abuse these priests dished out. I blame them and not the Roman Catholic Church. If they felt such a strong impulse for sex, they had the opportunity to retire from the priesthood. Sadly, they turned their attentions to innocent children. These are whom Christ spoke of as wolves in sheep’s clothing.

Peace be with all.

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[quote]stellar_horizon wrote:
Professor X wrote:
I agree completely. I don’t understand how the Catholic church doesn’t see that they help invite this aborration by the sheer nature of their own arrogance. Where in the bible does it say that they should not have sex

Not a Roman Catholic but I’ll defend the aspect of celibacy within the Christian Church…

b[/b] Jesus Christ speaks of celibacy in the Bible when he refers to the eunuchs who keep themselves celibate for the sake of the kingdom of God.

b[/b] Saint Paul prescribes monasticism (which involves a strictly celibate lifestyle) for Christians who’ve mastered their passions of lust.

b[/b] Jesus Christ, who is the perfect icon of humanity, remained celibate Himself.

an easy read:
http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/general/gospelcall.aspx

Also note, eleven of the twelve originally commissioned Apostles of Christ remained celibate; Saint Peter being the only one who was called into the ministry who had a wife. After being commissioned by Christ, the Apostles kept their preliminary dispositions and they all preached about the perils of fornication (sex outside of marriage).

The concept of celibacy for Christians was first questioned in the 1600’s when heretical Christian sects began to significantly multiply from within the deviant Roman Catholic Church, each attempting to outdue the other in changing one aspect of Christianity so as to stand out from the rest. Enter the year 2006 and we have over 35,000 Christian denominations going against the grain having no clue how or why celibacy was promoted by the early Church…[/quote]

If one of the 12 disciples was married, why do you think we are supposed to take from this that all priests, preachers or men of God should be celibate? I am confused at what your stance is. I personally think it is unwise to assume you can turn off your sexual urges at will and ignore them. It leads to outbursts like what has happened here and those already with sexual issues seeking for shelter in the Catholic church as a way to hide from their own problems.

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[quote]stellar_horizon wrote:
As an Orthodox Christian, I don’t approve of the way the Roman Catholic Church establishes their standards[/quote]

Greek priest faces pimping charge after sting

10/14/05 Athens - A Greek Orthodox priest was arrested on suspicion of accessory to prostitution by an undercover police officer posing as a client, the semi-state Athens News Agency reported on Friday…Greece’s powerful Orthodox Church is still recovering from a series of high-profile sex and corruption scandals earlier this year that tarnished its image. An investigation is currently ongoing into an alleged graft ring said to have included judges, lawyers and Greek Orthodox clerics. - Sapa-AFP

http://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=24&art_id=qw1129299485396B262

People living in glass houses should refrain from throwing stones at their neighbors.

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[quote]stellar_horizon wrote:
Not a Roman Catholic but I’ll defend the aspect of celibacy within the Christian Church…

(1) Jesus Christ speaks of celibacy in the Bible when he refers to the eunuchs who keep themselves celibate for the sake of the kingdom of God.

(2) Saint Paul prescribes monasticism (which involves a strictly celibate lifestyle) for Christians who’ve mastered their passions of lust.

(3) Jesus Christ, who is the perfect icon of humanity, remained celibate Himself.

an easy read:
http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/...gospelcall.aspx

Also note, eleven of the twelve originally commissioned Apostles of Christ remained celibate; Saint Peter being the only one who was called into the ministry who had a wife. After being commissioned by Christ, the Apostles kept their preliminary dispositions and they all preached about the perils of fornication (sex outside of marriage).

The concept of celibacy for Christians was first questioned in the 1600’s when heretical Christian sects began to significantly multiply from within the deviant Roman Catholic Church, each attempting to outdue the other in changing one aspect of Christianity so as to stand out from the rest. Enter the year 2006 and we have over 35,000 Christian denominations going against the grain having no clue how or why celibacy was promoted by the early Church…[/quote]

This post is very cryptic. I read your the whole page on your link, and in the last paragraph, a “learned Orthodox monastic” says “You have been given a VERY, VERY distorted view of monasticism.” Not to say that his assertions are completely invalid, but when a man who walks the walk says you’ve got it wrong, it’s hard to argue.

Also, as is common in the Catholic church and also in the Bible, there are inconsistencies. Sure Christ hold’s up eunuchs as examples of purity and discipline, but look around the rest of the book and the rest of the Catholic faith. First, the quotes you used seem to suggest a devout few not a blanket policy. Second, God’s first words to man? Be fruitful and multiply. God wipes the Earth clean of sin in 40 days and 40 nights, his first words to the survivors? Be fruitful and multiply. And until 500-1100 yrs. (depending on which source you look at) after the death of Christ, there was no official policy that prevented priests from marrying and, as you said 1100 to 500 yrs. later the doctrine comes into question. Pretty firm belief if it’s only been true for a quarter to half of the church’s existence and under scrutiny for the last quarter.

Last, as far as marriage being a step back from pleasing God, there are many acts such as ‘the spilling of seed on barren soil’ and ‘covetting’ that the Bible and God himself clearly delineates or outrightly ordains as being sinful. Marriage isn’t one of them. Sure, the church may say marriage may be a step back in ‘spiritual purity’ but I get the feeling that a lot of priests are tap-dancing in that regard anyway. Especially if you look at the large numbers of priests who are inactive for marriage/ attempt to marry or other reasons.

I know that we’ve got some OT vs. NT conflict in these arguments, but that, IMO would further suggest against a blanket policy like the Catholic church has instituted.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
btm62 wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
The ones that are found guilty should be dragged in the streets and shot.

And people wonder why I turn away from organized religion so heavily…

102 priests have committed this crime since 1940. Countless others who are not priests or religious have done the same thing since then. Great logic for turning away from organized religion.

Very true. That is simply a reason to lose faith in humanity.

You beat me to it.

In a “house of God” these abominable acts occur.

Not too mention btm, other things might happen in one’s life that make them discount judeo-christian concepts of God. Or didn’t they teach you that in Sunday school?

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Lets go ahead and stay on your post regarding your statement about this making you shy away from organized religion shall we. You can address these other things in another post if you wish. By the way in Sunday school they generally teach about the love of Christ. If you are confused as to what is being taught. Go, attend and inform yourself. My point was is that just because 102 priests, (Catholics) have done such things as opposed to hundreds of thousands of others who were not priests have committed these acts, seems like an extreme leap of logic to dismiss religion as a whole. I think I’ll dismiss everyone in New Jersey based on my feelings for you. Same logic. Get the point now?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
If one of the 12 disciples was married, why do you think we are supposed to take from this that all priests, preachers or men of God should be celibate?
[/quote]
I never said this should be the case. I’m merely echoing the traditions of the ancient Christians who were endowed by the grace of the Holy Spirit.

That’s why Jesus Christ and Saint Paul (two examples in written scripture) encourage them to become/remain celibate if they have quenched their passions of lust. Not everyone is blessed with such discipline. Only those who are should take the vows of monks or become ordained if they feel they can live without a wife and not fall into fornication, or become ordained and then perceive that life would be better with a wife. Marriage before ordination is perfectly acceptable according to early Church teachings while undergoing ordination and then marrying is not.

True, but I assert that any man who’s driven into the clergy because he wishes to hide his sexual impulses is not fueled by the Holy Spirit but by the devil. Monastics and priests aren’t derelicts who couldn’t make it in the world. Anyone who runs to become one as a form of solace from society is anything but virtuous in God’s sight. The Christian struggle is not for the cowardly.

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[quote]pookie wrote:
People living in glass houses should refrain from throwing stones at their neighbors.
[/quote]
There are cowards & evildoers hiding under the label of many religions - atheism included…

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Always seems to be the one’s who claim to have the highest moral standards. For whatever reason, in the world of politics, it seems that Republicans have cornered the market on pedophilia.

To be fair I looked for Dems but found next to NOTHING? If you Google any of the following names you can usually find the actual news articles.

This first one was the biggest scandal you’ve probably never heard of. One of the main characters, GOP activist Larry King (not CNN Larry King) actually pimped out orphan kids to politicians and visiting dignitaries – and not just once or twice. The saddest thing was, because of the big names and powerful people involved, some of the older kids were the one’s who actually ended up in jail – seems they were being accused of perjury.

The Child Sex Ring that reached the Bush/Reagan Whitehouse

  • Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.

  • Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.

  • Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

  • Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

  • Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

  • Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.

  • Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.

  • Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.

  • Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

  • Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

  • Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

  • Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

  • Republican Congressman Donald “Buz” Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

  • Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.

  • Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.

  • Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.

  • Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.

  • Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

  • Republican governor Arnold Schwarzenegger allegedly had sex with a 16 year old girl when he was 28.

  • Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

  • Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.

  • Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. “Republican Marty”), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.

  • Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.

  • Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.

  • Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

  • Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.

  • Republican anti-gay activist Earl “Butch” Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

  • Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

  • Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.

  • Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.

  • Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).

  • Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was charged with sexual misconduct involving a 15-year old girl.

  • Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.

  • Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.

  • Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.

  • Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.

  • Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.

  • Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.

  • Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.

  • Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.

  • Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.

  • Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a “good military man” and “church goer,” was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

  • Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.

  • Republican director of the “Young Republican Federation” Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.

  • Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was charged with rape for allegedly paying a 15-year old girl for sex. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.

*PENDING - Republican Mayor John Gosek, 58, of 275 West 7th Street, Oswego, was arrested for the federal offense of “using a facility in interstate commerce (a telephone) to knowingly attempt to persuade, induce, entice, and coerce an individual under the age of 18 years to engage in sexual activity for which he could be charged with criminal offenses, that is, rape in the third degree and criminal sexual act in the third degree” in violation of the New York State Penal Code.
http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm9.showMessage?topicID=53.topic

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[quote]stellar_horizon wrote:
There are cowards & evildoers hiding under the label of many religions - atheism included…[/quote]

So when the cowards and evildoers are from the Catholic Church, you impugn the Church and it’s policies. When they are Greek Orthodox, you blame the men themselves?

Nauseating. You’re just an hypocrite.

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[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
Always seems to be the one’s who claim to have the highest moral standards. For whatever reason, in the world of politics, it seems that Republicans have cornered the market on pedophilia.
[/quote]

Jesus H. Christ. We could be debating about zippo lighters or collegate lacross, and I am pretty certain you would find a way to turn it into a Republican vs. Democrat arguement.

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“I think people are using (pedophilia) for political purposes.”
– Sen. Rick Santorum, Republican

[quote]redfreddy wrote:
JustTheFacts wrote:
Always seems to be the one’s who claim to have the highest moral standards. For whatever reason, in the world of politics, it seems that Republicans have cornered the market on pedophilia.

Jesus H. Christ. We could be debating about zippo lighters or collegate lacross, and I am pretty certain you would find a way to turn it into a Republican vs. Democrat arguement.
[/quote]

One of the issues being discussed here is if Catholics are more prone to pedophilia than certain other religions or groups.

In case you haven’t noticed the Radical Right has completely hijacked Christianity and claimed it as their own.

Quite frankly I think Republicans and true Christians go together like “zippo lighters and collegate lacrosse” myself.

They’ve made it quite clear that God is on their side and the Liberals/Dems or whoever else they point their fingers at are immoral degenerates – sorry if pointing out their hypocrisy strikes a nerve.

Santorum meets with group upset by his comments on priest abuse
Associated Press
Jul. 21, 2005
[Santorum’s] column linked Boston’s liberalism to the sex abuse scandal in the Catholic church.
http://www.armchairsubversive.com/santorum2.htm

That’s step daughter – as in serving life in prison Susan Smith.

The River of Hypocrisy Runs Wide and Deep
By Robert Scheer
Los Angeles Times
Published August 1, 1995
Russell, a prominent leader of the South Carolina Republican Party and the local Christian Coalition, knew that [Susan] Smith was not the sweet innocent first presented to the media because he had stolen her innocence.

When she was only 6, her natural father killed himself over a messy divorce and Russell’s marriage to Smith’s mother.

At the age of 13, Smith attempted suicide, and while aware of her fragile mental state, Russell began his sexual advances two years later. At 17, Smith attempted suicide again. Russell claims that he held off until Smith was married before escalating this sick sexual liaison.
http://www.robertscheer.com/1_natcolumn/95_columns/080195.htm

Psychiatrist says Smith’s depression drove her to suicide attempt
UNION, S.C. (7/21/95) – After four days of hearing about Susan Smith’s troubled relationships, bouts with depression and chilling confession, a jury will likely consider today whether to convict her of drowning her sons.

[quote]

  • Republican anti-gay activist Earl “Butch” Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.[/quote]

ANTI-GAY MOLESTER GETS 40-YEAR SENTENCE
Chicago Tribune
February 10, 2000
“It’s hypocrisy at its highest level. He holds himself out to be a person of God, as a representative of the Christian community, and at the same time engaging in outrageous behavior,” said Madison County Prosecutor Rodney Cummings.

During the adoption fight, the Kimmerlings gained support from political figures including Anderson Mayor Mark Lawler and Republican state Reps. Jack Lutz of Anderson and Woody Burton of Greenwood, whose proposal to ban gay adoptions failed in the Legislature.

The Kimmerlings eventually succeeded in adopting the girl, but in May 1998 Kimmerling was charged with 10 counts of sexual molestation after Saundra Kimmerling notified police.
http://www.armchairsubversive.com/kimmerling.htm

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[quote]redfreddy wrote:
JustTheFacts wrote:
Always seems to be the one’s who claim to have the highest moral standards. For whatever reason, in the world of politics, it seems that Republicans have cornered the market on pedophilia.

Jesus H. Christ. We could be debating about zippo lighters or collegate lacross, and I am pretty certain you would find a way to turn it into a Republican vs. Democrat arguement.

[/quote]

At least he didn’t bring up Jewish pedophiles.

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[quote]doogie wrote:
At least he didn’t bring up Jewish pedophiles.
[/quote]

Ahhh, so you’ve read the Talmud…

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[quote]pookie wrote:
stellar_horizon wrote:
There are cowards & evildoers hiding under the label of many religions - atheism included…

So when the cowards and evildoers are from the Catholic Church, you impugn the Church and it’s policies. When they are Greek Orthodox, you blame the men themselves?

Nauseating. You’re just an hypocrite.
[/quote]
Are you a nitwit? Telling me not to throw stones if I live in a glass house? Nice cliche, but just because it sounds cool doesn’t mean it’s applicable.

Re-read my posts. I said I don’t blame the Roman Catholic Church - I blame the Roman Catholic priests who molested the little kids. Similarly, I don’t blame the Greek Orthodox Church, I blame the Greek Orthodox priests. Both Roman Catholicism and Orthodox Christianity severely condemn acts of pedophilia.

The reason I denounced the policies of the Roman Catholic Church was/is because they strayed from the early Church tradition of the Apostles and forced all ranks of the clergy to remain celibate without allowing them to experience the fruits of marital bliss (sex being included as one of these fruits). I made that very clear initially, but if you wish to misconvey my message, feel free. Most others here are smart enough to realize what I meant & expressed rather than how you misrepresented my statements.

Now go barf at your poor reading comprehension…

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[quote]stellar_horizon wrote:
pookie wrote:
stellar_horizon wrote:
There are cowards & evildoers hiding under the label of many religions - atheism included…

So when the cowards and evildoers are from the Catholic Church, you impugn the Church and it’s policies. When they are Greek Orthodox, you blame the men themselves?

Nauseating. You’re just an hypocrite.

Are you a nitwit? Telling me not to throw stones if I live in a glass house? Nice cliche, but just because it sounds cool doesn’t mean it’s applicable.

Re-read my posts. I said I don’t blame the Roman Catholic Church - I blame the Roman Catholic priests who molested the little kids. Similarly, I don’t blame the Greek Orthodox Church, I blame the Greek Orthodox priests. Both Roman Catholicism and Orthodox Christianity severely condemn acts of pedophilia.

The reason I denounced the policies of the Roman Catholic Church was/is because they strayed from the early Church tradition of the Apostles and forced all ranks of the clergy to remain celibate without allowing them to experience the fruits of marital bliss (sex being included as one of these fruits). I made that very clear initially, but if you wish to misconvey my message, feel free. Most others here are smart enough to realize what I meant & expressed rather than how you misrepresented my statements.

Now go barf at your poor reading comprehension…

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Some of these libs can so twist your words or take them out of context, that (as I’ve said elsewhere) you’d swear they work in the Washington press corps!!