[quote]cyph31 wrote:
higher: meat/cheese/dairy/fats/protein
lower: veggies[/quote]
I’m not sure which veggies you’re thinking of, but nobody needs to eat less spinach and broccoli.
No hes saying the veggies are on the bottom, which means you eat MORE of those, then the layer above that is meat/dairy/fat.
[quote]Anonymous Coward wrote:
cyph31 wrote:
higher: meat/cheese/dairy/fats/protein
lower: veggies
I’m not sure which veggies you’re thinking of, but nobody needs to eat less spinach and broccoli.[/quote]
what i meant was eliminate grains entirely, even with lower priority of veggies you would end up eating more of them in the end compared to chowing down whole grains all day
Oh. The pyramid concept. I get it. You’ll have to excuse me, as Canada’s Food Guide is a rainbow (!?), so I didn’t make the higher/lower connection.
I humbly withdraw my statement, and agree with yours.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
coloradosteve2 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
atg410 wrote:
Sorry for the long rant, but I want to expound on my argument against the food pyramid…
PRCalDude wrote:
I can’t tolerate a lot either.
See, and theres the rub. When you start asking people, you find that a LOT of people can’t tolerate them, or at least not the grains typical to the American diet. Right off hand I can think of at least 7 people that I know immediately who fall into some special population or another when it comes to grain intolerance. Everything from carb intolerant to celiacs.
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I don’t know a single person in real life that has stuck to a low carb lifestyle. I know people that have lost significant weight on Atkins but they gained it back.
The only people I know that have lost weight and kept it off eat a generally “balanced” diet with carbs as the main fuel source and exercise.
The problem is inactive people eat too much. HFCS and the like don’t help matters but the fact is that people take in way more calories than they used to.
Fair enough, nobody said a low carb lifestyle was easy or that being lean was easy. Some do breakout and learn how to do it and are rewarded with good health and dates with hot chicks with big boobs. The others are rewarded with a life of lameness and disease.
I know plenty of lean people. Absolutely none of them follow the low carb life style.
I also know some hot chicks with big boobs.[/quote]
Good for you. So why the hate for low-carbers? Who fucking cares if someone eats low carb to get lean.
[quote]coloradosteve2 wrote:
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Good for you. So why the hate for low-carbers? Who fucking cares if someone eats low carb to get lean. [/quote]
No hate for low carbers. I just don’t know any successful ones in real life. I think there is a percentage of people that do well with it, but it isn’t for everyone.
It is the opposite side of the vegetarian approach.
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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
coloradosteve2 wrote:
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Good for you. So why the hate for low-carbers? Who fucking cares if someone eats low carb to get lean.
No hate for low carbers. I just don’t know any successful ones in real life. I think there is a percentage of people that do well with it, but it isn’t for everyone.
It is the opposite side of the vegetarian approach.[/quote]
Not really, you can still eat alot of fiberous veggies and be on a low carb diet.
[quote]Dubbz wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
coloradosteve2 wrote:
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Good for you. So why the hate for low-carbers? Who fucking cares if someone eats low carb to get lean.
No hate for low carbers. I just don’t know any successful ones in real life. I think there is a percentage of people that do well with it, but it isn’t for everyone.
It is the opposite side of the vegetarian approach.
Not really, you can still eat alot of fiberous veggies and be on a low carb diet. [/quote]
I mean vegetarians avoid meat like low carbers avoid carbs.
Both are convinced they are right and both often preach to the world that their way is the best way and anyone doing anything different is poisoning themselves.
[quote]atg410 wrote:
I wonder how many years of this sort of information being disseminated it will take for the high carb/low fat mantra of the USDA ‘food pyramid’ to get turned around.[/quote]
It wont, its the master genious thinking of evil men that in conjunction with many other noted institutions is the breeding grounds for the “fattening of the masses” that keeps this vicous circle of disease and subsequent pharmacuetical gravy train running.
[quote]BigKDawg wrote:
atg410 wrote:
I wonder how many years of this sort of information being disseminated it will take for the high carb/low fat mantra of the USDA ‘food pyramid’ to get turned around.
It wont, its the master genious thinking of evil men that in conjunction with many other noted institutions is the breeding grounds for the “fattening of the masses” that keeps this vicous circle of disease and subsequent pharmacuetical gravy train running.[/quote]
I don’t give them that much credit. In the presence of abundant food most animals get fat. People are no different.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
I don’t give them that much credit. In the presence of abundant food most animals get fat. People are no different.
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Can you give an example of how ‘most animals get fat’ in the presence of abundant food? The only examples I can think of are animals that are fed modern pet food diets, which are formulated according to the same nutritional thinking that guides the modern American diet, namely fat bad, carbs good. Most cat and dog foods have some kind of grain meal as their primary ingredient.
This weight gain, then, could easily be explained by the animals’ carb intake, as opposed to the presence of abundant food.
I think Americans get fat from high carb diets, and their pets do, too.
[quote]RankHypocrisy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
I don’t give them that much credit. In the presence of abundant food most animals get fat. People are no different.
Can you give an example of how ‘most animals get fat’ in the presence of abundant food? The only examples I can think of are animals that are fed modern pet food diets, which are formulated according to the same nutritional thinking that guides the modern American diet, namely fat bad, carbs good. Most cat and dog foods have some kind of grain meal as their primary ingredient.
This weight gain, then, could easily be explained by the animals’ carb intake, as opposed to the presence of abundant food.
I think Americans get fat from high carb diets, and their pets do, too.
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Mice, zoo animals, cows, horses, the list is endless. I knew I guy that claimed his neighbor kept a cougar as a pet, fed him groundhogs, butcher scraps etc. He said it was fat as hell.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Mice, zoo animals, cows, horses, the list is endless. I knew I guy that claimed his neighbor kept a cougar as a pet, fed him groundhogs, butcher scraps etc. He said it was fat as hell.[/quote]
Horses and cows are both herbivores, so I don’t know if they are directly comparable to humans.
I think mice are not at all prone to obesity if fed a low-carb diet in a laboratory. I’ve never seen a cat that ate its natural diet (virtually all meat, as cats are obligate carnivores) grow fat.
I think what is fed, rather than how much, is largely responsible for animal obesity.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Mice, zoo animals, cows, horses, the list is endless. I knew I guy that claimed his neighbor kept a cougar as a pet, fed him groundhogs, butcher scraps etc. He said it was fat as hell.[/quote]
I can’t help but wonder about the activity level of a pet cougar.
Either way, if people choose to avoid all carbs, and in doing so avoid all refined sugar and flour and so on, then I say more power to them. I don’t eat many carbs myself, but that’s because bread and pasta make me sleepy, in addition to not tasting near as good as meat and vegetables.
Those who turn low-carbing into a virtue and something to be proud of, though, are annoying.
[quote]Anonymous Coward wrote:
Those who turn low-carbing into a virtue and something to be proud of, though, are annoying.[/quote]
I like that part.
[quote]Anonymous Coward wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Mice, zoo animals, cows, horses, the list is endless. I knew I guy that claimed his neighbor kept a cougar as a pet, fed him groundhogs, butcher scraps etc. He said it was fat as hell.
I can’t help but wonder about the activity level of a pet cougar.
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I am sure if the story is true it laid about all day.
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Either way, if people choose to avoid all carbs, and in doing so avoid all refined sugar and flour and so on, then I say more power to them. I don’t eat many carbs myself, but that’s because bread and pasta make me sleepy, in addition to not tasting near as good as meat and vegetables.
Those who turn low-carbing into a virtue and something to be proud of, though, are annoying.[/quote]
Agreed. Kind of like vegans but with better tasting food.
[quote]Anonymous Coward wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Those who turn low-carbing into a virtue and something to be proud of, though, are annoying.[/quote]
Thats probably coz they (i.e. I) get constantly maligned because i eat this way. Bb’ers generally accept or understand low-carb but society doesn’t, and still thinks fat is evil.
I’ve only been eating this way for 6 weeks but i feel the constant pressure to explain myself.
I’m talking about those who say things like “carbs will kill you”, as in the title of this thread. Preaching to everyone who will listen and many who won’t about the benefits of low-carb eating, and the fire and brimstone end coming to those who eat cake or even sweet-potatoes.
I don’t know if you saw the beginning of that post, but it said that I myself don’t eat very many carbs. The difference is that I see it as my personal preference and don’t think anyone outside of my family should really care what I eat. In return, I try to ignore the eating habits of most people, but it becomes hard when they - whether they’re low-carbers, low-fatters, vegans or whatever - go on rants and start lecturing me about the evils of whatever they don’t eat. I specified low carb types in that post because it was on-topic, not because I have something against them in particular.
There’s no reason for you to have to explain the way you eat to anybody unless they are close enough to you that you believe they genuinely care about your health, and even then it’s enough to address their concerns, instead of trying to convert them.
Just finished my bagel, protein shake, and oatmeal bar. Also had a huge glass of orange juice for breakfast. It’s not even 9:00 AM and I’ve already eaten 120g of carbs.
As someone who would be described as a “carb-gainer”, it’s hard to imagine how some people here eat like 100g of carbs a day. Guess I’m lucky.