[quote]Scott M wrote:
IFBB bodybuilder Phil Hernon has his clients use fruits and vegetables exclusively for their carbs and he’s got plenty of big and lean guys in his stable. Many ways to get it done. [/quote]
Even in the off season?? [/quote]
Yes. Most of what I see from his clients is a “zone” type diet meal plan at least to start.
Lean meats (chicken, fish)
Fruits and vegetables(if you want)
Healthy oils (olive, maca etc)
40/50/17 P/F/C every single meal is a typical starting point. Yes post workout, yes pre bed, yes 2PM on Thursdays, every meal.
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Is that grams? I would think percentages but it adds up to 107
I use a decent amount of fruit and starchier carbs, can’t say I’ve noticed a big difference but I’ve never done exclusively one or the other for any significant amount of time.
Is that grams? I would think percentages but it adds up to 107
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That’s because when you train with Phil you get a 7% boost over everyone else.
Yeah, grams.
Working with Shelby there are currently no fruits in my diet(fat loss). I know he eats some fruit in the offseason so maybe I’ll get some if I want it, blueberries in my oats or whatever. Or I’ll just stick with rice and potatoes because I like rice and potatoes the majority of the time.
I would imagine that fullness also plays a big role when it comes to choosing your carb source. Insulin response aside I feel fuller(is that a word) longer with the same amount of carbs from rice,potatoes,oats,etc. Than I do with fruit. But maybe that is just me.
[quote]jb99 wrote:
Only you will know how YOU respond to carbs, fat, protein etc. People just don’t seem to understand how different everyone is and how one guy may be able to eat mcdonalds and stay lean while some other guy may have to eat super strict. You will have to learn that on your own. But maybe instead of asking “why do all bodybuilders eat oatmeal and rice” you should think “hmmm since all/most bodybuilders eat oatmeal/rice then maybe they know what they are doing”…[/quote]
^Bump^ I agree with jb99. Some people resond differently to varying degrees of carbohydrate sources. Like myself for instance. I can stomach potatoes/sweet potatoes/yams, but they don’t digest quickly enough for me to be hungry again for the next meal unless I have a very small portion of them. Fruits are okay, but I generally only like eating fruits like bananas after a workout, or maybe an apple or orange for a small snack with some protein source in the mid-day period when I’m running around.
I prefer oatmeal/quinona/barley or another whole grain source for my form of carbs when I eat them. They fill me up, but they don’t linger in my system too long, so I am able to eat again in a few hours to keep my metabolism up and promote growth. I’d rather just eat oatmeal all day long if I had to go with one carb source and generally I do. Oatmeal in the morning and then vegetables after that.
Of course if I was seriously trying to gain some mass I’d have to be eating more carbohydrates, but I know I wouldn’t be powering down potatoes and yams for every meal b/c they just don’t digest well for me. I’d stick with oatmeal, whole grain breads, and some fruits/berries during the day with protein sources. I would hardly even touch potatoes, yams, sweet potatoes, and especially rice. But that’s just how my digestive track works.
Yours will obviously be different. Go with what works for you. Why has no one ever heard of individualism. There’s nothing more individual than how your body responds to bodybuilding protocol. Everyone wants the one solution to the puzzle, but the fact is there are many, and all of them different for everyone. Examine what your body responds too, take some advice, learn from it, experiment, and adjust it according to your needs. .
This is why I quit responding in that other thread…because people often see what they want. My freshmen year in college, I was eating up to or more than 3 bananas a day from the cafeteria along with a ton of orange juice and milk for the calories.
The way I eat to drop weight is not the way I eat all of the time. I made this perfectly clear before but somehow no matter what I type…yes, hamburger.
All fast acting carbs are not the devil. Those insulin spikes are what I used to build most of the initial base of size that I did those first few years. Insulin is not your enemy. You just need to know how to use it. That is where buying a college level bio/anatomy book comes in.
if you have honestly never seen a bodybuilder eat fruit, then you don;t know any bodybuilders and are likely doing like others were doing in that other thread…taking bits and pieces, running with it and creating whole ideologies off of half baked assumptions.
Most guys may drop fruit when cutting down. Bodybuilders do not always eat the same between off season and on season…unless they are Jay Cutler.[/quote]
Hamburger? That’s all you’ve got to say? I mean, really…that doesn’t have anything to with the discussion. Why are you even still posting?
All joking aside, I’ve noticed a direct correlation between fruits and my love handles. Bear in mind, I’ve been doing nothing but bulking for two years, so it might be feasible for me to eat lots of fruit while cutting.
Is that grams? I would think percentages but it adds up to 107
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That’s because when you train with Phil you get a 7% boost over everyone else.
Yeah, grams.
Working with Shelby there are currently no fruits in my diet(fat loss). I know he eats some fruit in the offseason so maybe I’ll get some if I want it, blueberries in my oats or whatever. Or I’ll just stick with rice and potatoes because I like rice and potatoes the majority of the time. [/quote]
Yea I remember him saying he generally sticks with starchier carbs.
That meal set up by phil seems like an odd way to start things. Especially for all meals, pretty high fat (66F/24P/10C from a ratio standpoint)