I’m voting that Canada secedes from the United States and all you dirty Canucks move back to Enlgand…God save the Queen!
Doesn’t Canada have fewer people than California? Hell, it may have fewer than a couple of US states. I guess if you live there it’s interesting but basically, … who gives a shit? Should I come on here and go on about who will win the governorship of Ohio?
To borrow from Prof X in another thread, Canada is like a little feisty chihuaha while the big, intelligient pit bull is next door. Luckily for the little mutt, the pittie is pretty tolerant while it yaps and dances around the big boy. The pittie just yawns and goes back to sleep…
[quote]vroom wrote:
The way to have an influence is not to decide to not vote. Nobody gives a shit about the fact that you were to apathetic to get your ass off the couch and cast a vote.
The world is used to people not voting in democracies.
Instead, if you care, and don’t feel voting will be effective, TALK TO YOUR FUCKING REPRESENTATIVES. Tell them what they should be doing for you and every one.
They are just people. You can talk to them. That’s why they are your representatives (or candidates).[/quote]
Hey there…Vroom, I wasn’t suggesting that I macrame my ass into the couch and bitch about how little I’m interested. Returning your ballot involves turning up at the polling station and when you’re handed your ballot you return it, at which point the folks behind the desk have to fill out some sort of form and record that you turned up but chose not to lend your support to any candidates. I think that’s a bit more active than spoiling a ballot or not turning up at all. N’ est-ce pas?
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Hope the Canadians have a true man of honour, like our President Bush, to vote for this time.[/quote]
When did you turn into a liberal comedian?
Well, when people wake up to the fact that we’ve got more oil than anyone else, then they’ll be nice to us… but we’d better invest in our military or they’ll find a reason to invade!
[quote]Marmadogg wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Hope the Canadians have a true man of honour, like our President Bush, to vote for this time.
When did you turn into a liberal comedian?
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Yo B! Long time! Liberal comedian? Actually, I find the whole thread funny – Canada is a wonderful country, but it’s like worrying about who’ll be the next govenor of Vermont. Wow, that’ll really impact our lives!!
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Marmadogg wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Hope the Canadians have a true man of honour, like our President Bush, to vote for this time.
When did you turn into a liberal comedian?
Yo B! Long time! Liberal comedian? Actually, I find the whole thread funny – Canada is a wonderful country, but it’s like worrying about who’ll be the next govenor of Vermont. Wow, that’ll really impact our lives!![/quote]
Gotcha!
I can not agree more!!!
I’m just happy at all this… it gives me free reign to weigh in on the next US election! 
Oh, hey, more on topic… I’ve done my voting for the day.
Now I’ll just have to wait for the news.
[quote]vroom wrote:
Doesn’t Canada have fewer people than California? Hell, it may have fewer than a couple of US states. I guess if you live there it’s interesting but basically, … who gives a shit? Should I come on here and go on about who will win the governorship of Ohio?
Well, when people wake up to the fact that we’ve got more oil than anyone else, then they’ll be nice to us… but we’d better invest in our military or they’ll find a reason to invade![/quote]
Hey, thanks for the heads up! This really is good information. But, we won’t invade unless you begin feeding your young women into plastic recycling machines, as Saddam’s sons enjoyed doing. (Their screams gave 'em a rush!!)
Green. There’s not really another option as far as I’m concerned - the other major parties aren’t doing anything unique, and hence aren’t really going to move us towards a sustainable future. Maybe next time they’ll actually be in the debates! Green Party in 2008!
[quote]vroom wrote:
Oh, hey, more on topic… I’ve done my voting for the day.
Now I’ll just have to wait for the news.[/quote]
So Vroom, who did you vote for? I’m dying to know. And don’t go telling me its none of my business. Your every political thought has been everyone’s business for years.
I couldn’t agree more regarding the federal conservative leadership. Not many people like Harper and his history with the Reform isn’t helping him out.
There are much better candidates out there and if they had a diff. leader things would look much different! I for one like John Tory and wouldn’t mind him out of provincial and into federal. But that’s just my opinion.
Now, I do have to say that all this mulroney bashing isn’t exactly ‘right’
Consider what he was left with economic wise after Trudeau…he was in a big mess and had to try somehow to get out of it…gotta stop spending and I actually think he started things on the right track. He’s got a worse wrap than I think he deserves, he did alot of good things for this country, as I suppose free trade especially with the US.
I can’t wait for these results and we as Canadians should care how this turns out, we don’t really worry if a couple people come on here and bitch about population and interest levels. Natural resources like…Hmmmmm Fresh water…are invaluable to survival. We have a shit load of it…US does not…this should be of interest to you as we’re closely tied together, whether Prof X rambles some shit or not…let’s be realistic here. We should all be interested in geopolitics b/c it certainly effects everyone someway or another.
Cheers,
T
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Doesn’t Canada have fewer people than California? Hell, it may have fewer than a couple of US states.[/quote]
Isn’t Arnold Schwarzennegger fewer people than Canada? Isn’t he, in fact, one single person? Then why do I keep hearing you lot yammer on about him here?
You do, obviously. Thanks for posting in our “Canadian Election” thread!
In the Ohio Governorship thread? Sure!
You mean like the mild-mannered Chihuahua that beat the fuck out the the arrogant pit bull in every single direct military confrontation since the 1700s? And has a better educated populace? Is that the Chihuahua you were talking about?
-Glee
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Canada is a wonderful country, but it’s like worrying about who’ll be the next govenor of Vermont. Wow, that’ll really impact our lives!!
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You shouldn’t talk about the governor of Vermont in the Ohio Governorship thread – it’s impolite to change the subject.
Wow, you care so little about Canada, it’s amazing!
-Glee
[quote]Gleemonex wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Canada is a wonderful country, but it’s like worrying about who’ll be the next govenor of Vermont. Wow, that’ll really impact our lives!!
You shouldn’t talk about the governor of Vermont in the Ohio Governorship thread – it’s impolite to change the subject.
Wow, you care so little about Canada, it’s amazing!
-Glee[/quote]
Hey Glee,
I’ve found it’s actually better not to dignify his posts with a response. This is just another example of him trying to say something provocative in his desperate struggle for attention.
[quote]JPBear wrote:
CaptainLogic wrote:
Our justice system is already full of liberal judges handing out mickey mouse sentences,
Gleemonex wrote:
For example?
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Here you go, I took this from one of JPBear’s previous posts, I hope she doesn’t mind.
Oh and btw, whether these sentences were handed out by liberal appointed judges or not is irrelevant, the fact of the matter is our justice system is soft on violent crime and the liberal government has done NOTHING to improve it.
JPBear wrote:
"In 1998 while on parole for the sexual assault of an Abbotsford woman, Dean Zimmerman was sent back to jail for severally beating his pregnant wife. In 2005, after having been granted early release once again by the Canadian National Parole Board, Zimmerman sexually assaulted a 24-year-old Edmonton woman by holding her captive, tying her up and sexually assaulting her for nine hours.
In 1994 Franklin Shane Dorfer was convicted of breaking into the home of a 69 year old Victoria woman, raping and robbing her, and breaking into a second home and robbing a 71 year old woman. Three years later while out on parole Franklin Dofer was jailed for six months for a Port Coquitlam break-and-enter. Back on the streets in 2004 Dofer was sentenced to two years in jail for break-and-enter and possession of stolen property. Once again, Dofer received early parole and is now accused of breaking into the home of an 89-year-old woman in Nanaimo and raping her.
In 2005 Brian Edward Abrosimo was arrested for the sexual assault of an 11 year old girl, only days after finishing a six month conditional sentence (served in the community) for sexual assault. Abrosimo has a court history that spans 18 years and includes two previous sexual assaults, as well as numerous other theft, assault and firearm convictions.
In 2004 sexual offender Michael William Gardiner, was released on statutory release in Hamilton. Thirteen days later he sexual assaulted a Hamilton woman, stabbing her multiple times.
In 1999 Clifford Howdle was released on statutory release in Prince Albert, Saskatchewan. Upon his release Howdle raped 3 women over a 36 hour period.
In 2004, convicted sex offender Charles Jamieson left his halfway house in East Vancouver. He then raped five people in Vancouver over a ten day period before being apprehended.
In 1999 Trevor James Fontaine was sentenced to 5 years in prison for sexual assault and attempted murder. Out on parole four years into his sentence, Fontaine befriended Vanderhoof woman Misty Franklin then stabbed her in the back of the neck. The 24 year old mother of two is now a quadriplegic kept alive by a ventilator.
In 1988 Eli Ulayuk was convicted of manslaughter. After being granted full parole in 2004 he murdred his Yellowknife parole officer Louise Pargeter during their first meeting.
In 2004 Eric Fish walked away from a Vernon halfway house. Six weeks later, 75 year old Bill Abramenko was beaten during a home invasion and later died in hospital. Fish is also the prime suspect in the murder of another Vernon resident, 60-year-old Jeffrey Drake who was killed two weeks after Fish left the halfway house, his body found in Okanagan Lake a month later.
In 1997 convicted killer and young offender Serena Nicotine was transferred to a community home in Saskatoon while part way through her sentence. Nicotine along with Catherine McKenzie, another young offender, murdered homeowner Helen Montgomery (who had no knowledge that the girls were violent offenders) by hitting her over the head with a cast iron frying pan and stabbing her 15 times.
The Statistics
Six out of every 10 convicted offenders aged 18 to 25 in 1999/2000 had at least one previous conviction, either in adult court since 1994/95 or in youth court since 1991/92, according to a new pilot study of court-based recidivism in seven provinces and two territories. Among these repeat offenders, 28% had one prior conviction, while 72% had multiple prior convictions.
9 out of 10 offenders sentenced to a federal corrections facility (meaning at least a two year sentence) had at least one prior conviction either in adult or youth court."
I’ve found this election to be the most interesting one I’ve seen. Lots of good debate.
Gleemonex, not to pick on you but I find myself not agreeing with you again.
First tho, the part I do agree with:
[quote]Gleemonex wrote:
Besides which, when the economy is going well, DON’T FUCK WITH IT.
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I agree! Of the federal parties, which party do you think is the least likely to stick it’s fingers in businesses? I’d say conservative.
This is generalizing, but I find liberal people to be far more likely to try and control free enterprise. See the Wal-mart threads.
I don’t agree. Who slashed Trudeau budgets? Who implemented a widely unpopular 7% GST tax? Implemented free trade?
Now, who promised to get rid of the 7% GST - then didn’t do it - because it was crucial in being able to balance the budget!
Economies are not short term reactive things, and you blaming Mulroney certainly shows bias.
Yea right, mostly…except when they were stealing our money in Quebec, right (sponsorship scandal)?
Or how about when they were signing international agreements with no plan on actually implementing or following through on the agreement (Kyoto - we’re doing worse since we signed the treaty!).
Or how about seeing that the men and women protecting this country have decent equipment and living conditions? (Sea king deathtraps, WW2 jeeps, erosion of military bases).
Or how about quality of healthcare in this country? Record spending, and record wait times.
(While ranking number one as a health care spender, Canada ranks fifteenth of 24 in access to MRIs, seventeenth of 23 in access to CT scanners, eighth of 22 in access to radiation machines, and is tied for last in access to lithotriptors.) http://www.canstats.org/readdetail.asp?id=748
Need I go on?
No, they’ve proven themselves capable of effecting the status quo. Not leading us into the next century.
No, no no no no no. And NO.
First off, Conservatives are corrupt? Really? Now who’s speculating. Back this up.
Better the Devil you know? Do you come to this website to use the same workout that you know? Or do change, adapt, change, and GROW. Change is an integral part of growth as an individual, or as a nation.
Change for the sake of change isn’t good either, but the fear mongering about conservatives has to stop. If you are afraid of change, you are afraid to be better.
Finally, we should never reward corruption like this with a return to gov’t. If the conservatives do the same thing, they deserve the same fate.
I’ll go on record as saying I was initially against the war, and am still not sure it was a good idea. Time will tell, I’m willing to admit I may have been on the wrong side of this (if it works out well, which I hope it does).
That said, what the liberals did was commit the troops that would have been sent to Iraq to Afghanistan as relief for American troops. Publicly we said no to Iraq, in reality we boosted our presence in the area (which I am for).
I’ll end with an agreement on your last point
[quote]Gleemonex wrote:
A. They fixed the giant economic mess Mulroney left us, even though the Conservatives are supposed to be the fiscally-responsible ones.
-Glee[/quote]
Sorry Glee, you can’t really blame the economic mess on Mulroney. If you look at the history of economic recessions, you’ll see that there was one in the early eighties as a result of monetary policies introduced in the US to control inflation and correct for overproduction in the previous decades.
In the late eighties there was another recession caused by a sharp stock crash in the United States which caused a recession in much of the west.
So, unfortunately for Mulroney and the conservatives, much of the time they spent in power was during times of recession or recovery from recession. I should also point out to you that Stephen Harper is not Brian Mulroney and the conservative party has changed a little bit over a period of 12 years, just in case you didn’t notice. 
[quote]CaptainLogic wrote:
Gleemonex wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Canada is a wonderful country, but it’s like worrying about who’ll be the next govenor of Vermont. Wow, that’ll really impact our lives!!
You shouldn’t talk about the governor of Vermont in the Ohio Governorship thread – it’s impolite to change the subject.
Wow, you care so little about Canada, it’s amazing!
-Glee
Hey Glee,
I’ve found it’s actually better not to dignify his posts with a response. This is just another example of him trying to say something provocative in his desperate struggle for attention. [/quote]
Captain Illogic: Nah, it’s not that. Its just that you are incapable of arguing with me, rationally or in any other sense.
C’mon guys, it’s fucking Canada! Why is anyone the least bit interested in this? Post it on some Canadian board, not on an American site.
And Glee, Canada beat the United States at anything? Bullshit! Remember 54’40’’ or fight? Your country only exists at the mercy and good will of the USA. If we were pricks, you’d be a colony, for Christ’s sake.