Canada Closes Embassy In IRAN

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Sifu wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
Pointless.

What exactly does it achieve?[/quote]

You really are stupid, aren’t you?

Ask this guy what it achieves. No, not the bearded guy. He’s the president of Iran now. Ask the guy in the blindfold.[/quote]

You see I live in a non-shitty part of the world and I’d rather not see Canada involve itself in this conflict.

Instead of throwing around insults tell me EXACTLY what this accomplishes?

[/quote]

This is because the Israelis (God Bless them) are about to take care of business. The Iranians have been threatening retaliation against uninvolved western countries in a bid to get them to stop the Israelis. the Iranians have a history of not respecting international law regarding the treatment of embassies. So the prudent move is to evacuate the embassy staff now while they can. [/quote]

Perhaps, but they’ve had an embassy open in Iran since 1988. Furthermore Canada seems to have no problem keeping embassies in Afghanistan, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

I thought you lived in Canada? [/quote]

I’ll take a country that’s topped the Human Development Index 8 times any day of the week.

But thanks for sharing you think Canada’s shitty.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

Embassy gone = CSIS station chief gone.[/quote]

No but it does mean they’re taking a political stance. I don’t care for Iran or Israel. I want Canada to stay out of this conflict.

I’d rather not screw over Iranians and Iranian-Canadians if I don’t have to.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

I’ll take a country that’s topped the Human Development Index 8 times any day of the week.

But thanks for sharing you think Canada’s shitty.

[/quote]

It was a joke.

No it doesn’t mean that. Needing to protect embassy staff from unprovoked attacks ala 1979 is not taking a ‘political stance.’

[quote]
I don’t care for Iran or Israel. I want Canada to stay out of this conflict.

I’d rather not screw over Iranians and Iranian-Canadians if I don’t have to.[/quote]

You “don’t want to screw over Iranian-Canadians” if you don’t have to? I don’t even know what that means. By the way, most Iranian migrants/exiles are anti-regime - especially the large number who are of Armenian descent and those who fled at the time of the revolution. But hey, the important thing is keeping first generation migrants happy right?

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
Pointless.

What exactly does it achieve?[/quote]

You really are stupid, aren’t you?

Ask this guy what it achieves. No, not the bearded guy. He’s the president of Iran now. Ask the guy in the blindfold.[/quote]

You see I live in a non-shitty part of the world and I’d rather not see Canada involve itself in this conflict.

Instead of throwing around insults tell me EXACTLY what this accomplishes?

[/quote]

This is because the Israelis (God Bless them) are about to take care of business. The Iranians have been threatening retaliation against uninvolved western countries in a bid to get them to stop the Israelis. the Iranians have a history of not respecting international law regarding the treatment of embassies. So the prudent move is to evacuate the embassy staff now while they can. [/quote]

Perhaps, but they’ve had an embassy open in Iran since 1988. Furthermore Canada seems to have no problem keeping embassies in Afghanistan, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan.
[/quote]

None of those other countries has a history of taking embassy staff hostage. I get the impression that you don’t know the history of the closing of the Canadian embassy in the eighties.

When the American embassy was overrun by the Iranians, some of the Americans who weren’t in the embassy at the time called on their friends from the Canadian embassy who hid them from the Iranians. Eventually the Canadians sent them Canadian passports, then when they closed their embassy the evacuated the Americans along with their own staff.

So the Canadians also have a history with the Iranians stemming from the eighties American embassy siege. Pulling their people out now is a wise move to play it safe.

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Canada also closed its visa office here in Egypt.

Apparently they received 100,000+ visa applications within 2 weeks of the Morsy being elected. Re-opening in Jan.

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[quote]Sifu wrote:
None of those other countries has a history of taking embassy staff hostage. I get the impression that you don’t know the history of the closing of the Canadian embassy in the eighties.

When the American embassy was overrun by the Iranians, some of the Americans who weren’t in the embassy at the time called on their friends from the Canadian embassy who hid them from the Iranians. Eventually the Canadians sent them Canadian passports, then when they closed their embassy the evacuated the Americans along with their own staff.

So the Canadians also have a history with the Iranians stemming from the eighties American embassy siege. Pulling their people out now is a wise move to play it safe.[/quote]

Thanks for that explanation. I, in fact, did not know that about the closing of the Canadian embassy in the 80s. I appreciate the fact that you actually explained it, instead of just sticking with what looked at first like a “are you really that ignorant?” jab.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

You “don’t want to screw over Iranian-Canadians” if you don’t have to? I don’t even know what that means. [/quote]

Yes there is a large Iranian population here, something like 60,000 people in my city alone. The embassy provides many services to them - Visa stuff for Iranians studying in Canada, passport services for Iranian-Canadians with dual citizenship etc.

A lot of people will be left in the lurch by this move.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

By the way, most Iranian migrants/exiles are anti-regime - especially the large number who are of Armenian descent and those who fled at the time of the revolution. But hey, the important thing is keeping first generation migrants happy right?[/quote]

There have been mixed reactions by the Iranian population here.

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[quote]Sifu wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
Pointless.

What exactly does it achieve?[/quote]

You really are stupid, aren’t you?

Ask this guy what it achieves. No, not the bearded guy. He’s the president of Iran now. Ask the guy in the blindfold.[/quote]

You see I live in a non-shitty part of the world and I’d rather not see Canada involve itself in this conflict.

Instead of throwing around insults tell me EXACTLY what this accomplishes?

[/quote]

This is because the Israelis (God Bless them) are about to take care of business. The Iranians have been threatening retaliation against uninvolved western countries in a bid to get them to stop the Israelis. the Iranians have a history of not respecting international law regarding the treatment of embassies. So the prudent move is to evacuate the embassy staff now while they can. [/quote]

Perhaps, but they’ve had an embassy open in Iran since 1988. Furthermore Canada seems to have no problem keeping embassies in Afghanistan, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan.
[/quote]

None of those other countries has a history of taking embassy staff hostage. I get the impression that you don’t know the history of the closing of the Canadian embassy in the eighties.

When the American embassy was overrun by the Iranians, some of the Americans who weren’t in the embassy at the time called on their friends from the Canadian embassy who hid them from the Iranians. Eventually the Canadians sent them Canadian passports, then when they closed their embassy the evacuated the Americans along with their own staff.

So the Canadians also have a history with the Iranians stemming from the eighties American embassy siege. Pulling their people out now is a wise move to play it safe.[/quote]

I’m almost positive there’s a Ben Affleck movie coming out relating to these events.

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[quote]Sifu wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
Pointless.

What exactly does it achieve?[/quote]

You really are stupid, aren’t you?

Ask this guy what it achieves. No, not the bearded guy. He’s the president of Iran now. Ask the guy in the blindfold.[/quote]

You see I live in a non-shitty part of the world and I’d rather not see Canada involve itself in this conflict.

Instead of throwing around insults tell me EXACTLY what this accomplishes?

[/quote]

This is because the Israelis (God Bless them) are about to take care of business. The Iranians have been threatening retaliation against uninvolved western countries in a bid to get them to stop the Israelis. the Iranians have a history of not respecting international law regarding the treatment of embassies. So the prudent move is to evacuate the embassy staff now while they can. [/quote]

Perhaps, but they’ve had an embassy open in Iran since 1988. Furthermore Canada seems to have no problem keeping embassies in Afghanistan, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan.
[/quote]

None of those other countries has a history of taking embassy staff hostage. I get the impression that you don’t know the history of the closing of the Canadian embassy in the eighties.

When the American embassy was overrun by the Iranians, some of the Americans who weren’t in the embassy at the time called on their friends from the Canadian embassy who hid them from the Iranians. Eventually the Canadians sent them Canadian passports, then when they closed their embassy the evacuated the Americans along with their own staff.

So the Canadians also have a history with the Iranians stemming from the eighties American embassy siege. Pulling their people out now is a wise move to play it safe.[/quote]

I think the new Ben Affleck movie, Argos, is loosely based on this extraction you’ve just described.

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[quote]smh23 wrote:<<< Obama could be remembered as a calculating foreign policy president with a gift for reading the nuance of a threat, or as a Chamberlain who allowed a country run by madmen to split the atom.[/quote]Or a hippie protester in a suit who had no business anywhere near a Stratego board to say nothing of an actual military, let alone ours.[quote]smh23 wrote:<<< the <<<>>> sanctions, which Obama has had to press hard for in Europe, seem to be taking their toll. >>>[/quote]Let’s just say I don’t necessarily disagree. Please describe for me how Iran is meaningfully further away from becoming a nuclear threat than they would have been without them.

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[quote]Neuromancer wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
Pointless.

What exactly does it achieve?[/quote]

You really are stupid, aren’t you?

Ask this guy what it achieves. No, not the bearded guy. He’s the president of Iran now. Ask the guy in the blindfold.[/quote]

You see I live in a non-shitty part of the world and I’d rather not see Canada involve itself in this conflict.

Instead of throwing around insults tell me EXACTLY what this accomplishes?

[/quote]

This is because the Israelis (God Bless them) are about to take care of business. The Iranians have been threatening retaliation against uninvolved western countries in a bid to get them to stop the Israelis. the Iranians have a history of not respecting international law regarding the treatment of embassies. So the prudent move is to evacuate the embassy staff now while they can. [/quote]

Perhaps, but they’ve had an embassy open in Iran since 1988. Furthermore Canada seems to have no problem keeping embassies in Afghanistan, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan.
[/quote]

None of those other countries has a history of taking embassy staff hostage. I get the impression that you don’t know the history of the closing of the Canadian embassy in the eighties.

When the American embassy was overrun by the Iranians, some of the Americans who weren’t in the embassy at the time called on their friends from the Canadian embassy who hid them from the Iranians. Eventually the Canadians sent them Canadian passports, then when they closed their embassy the evacuated the Americans along with their own staff.

So the Canadians also have a history with the Iranians stemming from the eighties American embassy siege. Pulling their people out now is a wise move to play it safe.[/quote]

I think the new Ben Affleck movie, Argos, is loosely based on this extraction you’ve just described.[/quote]

There was a movie based on this story.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:<<< Obama could be remembered as a calculating foreign policy president with a gift for reading the nuance of a threat, or as a Chamberlain who allowed a country run by madmen to split the atom.[/quote]Or a hippie protester in a suit who had no business anywhere near a Stratego board to say nothing of an actual military, let alone ours.[quote]smh23 wrote:<<< the <<<>>> sanctions, which Obama has had to press hard for in Europe, seem to be taking their toll. >>>[/quote]Let’s just say I don’t necessarily disagree. Please describe for me how Iran is meaningfully further away from becoming a nuclear threat than they would have been without them.
[/quote]

By Obama’s own admission, in college he sought out the leftists and marxists. Because that is how he was raised. So everything he has done makes sense when you consider what his world perspective is.

Chamberlain gets a really bad rap for appeasement but in his case Britain really was in no position to take a stand against Germany in 1938. The Balance of power between the US and Iran is overwhelmingly in the US favor.

We’ve had sanctions against Castro’s Cuba for over fifty years and he’s still there. As I stated many years ago, sanctions are an excuse for not dealing with the problem in a meaningful manner. From what I have read, Iran is three weeks away from having enough twenty percent enriched Uranium to produce one bomb. The time has come to deal with this issue instead of looking for excuses.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:<<< Obama could be remembered as a calculating foreign policy president with a gift for reading the nuance of a threat, or as a Chamberlain who allowed a country run by madmen to split the atom.[/quote]Or a hippie protester in a suit who had no business anywhere near a Stratego board to say nothing of an actual military, let alone ours.[quote]smh23 wrote:<<< the <<<>>> sanctions, which Obama has had to press hard for in Europe, seem to be taking their toll. >>>[/quote]Let’s just say I don’t necessarily disagree. Please describe for me how Iran is meaningfully further away from becoming a nuclear threat than they would have been without them.
[/quote]

I wouldn’t say that Obama has been running the military like a hippie protester in a suit, and I doubt that you really would either. He is many things, but a pacifist he is not.

Re; sanctions, the hope is (maybe was is the right term here, depending on what happens over the course of the next few months) that the sanctions would make things bad enough that pressure from under the regime would necessitate abandonment of the program.

Since that hasn’t happened, the sanctions haven’t worked. Push hard enough and eventually things would probably cave, but with fundamentalists and madmen at the helm it’s along shot that we could win the race against the scientists.

How much have the assassinations and cyber attacks done? Who knows. Probably not very much at all.

But war would be very bad for our economy. And it would also be bad for most of you conservatives come November.

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[quote]Sifu wrote:<<< sanctions are an excuse for not dealing with the problem in a meaningful manner. >>>[/quote]Of course they are. Ya know, in principal and at bottom, international affairs aren’t that much different than local ones. If you got a guy wavin a gun around in a mall you don’t set up a perimeter and starve him. You send in your specialists and take the guy out. Unpleasant? Yes, but welcome to the big bad world. We may not want to emulate the Chinese exactly, but this is one difference between us and them. Yes, I do actually understand that it’s not THAT simple when dealing with a situation like Iran, but it’s not THAT much different either.[quote]Sifu wrote:<<< From what I have read, Iran is three weeks away from having enough twenty percent enriched Uranium to produce one bomb. The time has come to deal with this issue instead of looking for excuses.[/quote]The Israelis will take care of this and not care what anybody thinks about it as well they should. To be clear, I don’t have a theology that sees Israel as God’s chosen people in the 21st century who should be supported no matter what. Israel does what’s best for Israel. Their alliance with us is purely utilitarian. They’d stab us in the back tomorrow if it were to their advantage. That’s not a criticism at all. That’s how ANY country survives. I wish we would take more cues from them.l Before anybody makes any unfounded assumptions, I support Israel and do not have an anti Semitic bone in my body. I just don’t give them the pedestal status that many of my Christian brethren do.

[quote]smh23 wrote:<<< I wouldn’t say that Obama has been running the military like a hippie protester in a suit, and I doubt that you really would either. He is many things, but a pacifist he is not. >>>[/quote]I will give him SOME credit for self preserving pragmatism. He entered the whitehouse proclaiming “BLESS GOD, I’M GONNA SHUT DOWN GITMO, STOP ALL THIS QUARRELIN, BRING HOME THOSE MURDERERS… UH, I MEAN SOLDIERS, AND EVERYBODY WILL LOVE US AS GOOD NEIGHBORS!!” . He was different after his very first month in office. I suspect it was those daily early morning security briefings.

Morning one. In comes the intelligence guys. “Here’s the latest list of all the folks who wanna blow us up Mr. President, their strongholds around the globe and plans to bring murderous destruction here while committing murderous destruction there”.
Obama: “I… see. (confused scowl on face) What if we give them candy and a hug?”
Security guys: “Well Mr. President, in our experience , as long as these guys are around, they’re gonna wanna kill us and will whenever possible. They have some major state players on their side too.”
Obama: “Hmmmm… that doesn’t make me feel good. Wadda you guys think we should do with all these groups in all these areas of the world?”
Security guys: “Well sir, that’s what we hired you for.”
Obama: “Yeah but, I have a domestic agenda for transforming the Untied States into a marxist playground. I don’t have time for all this geopolitical national security stuff.”
Security guys: “If we might be so bold as to make an educated suggestion sir, you may wanna find time lest millions of people die on your watch and possibly within our own borders.”
Obama: That like really sucks man, but I see your point.

Not being a moron or suicidal he does see the point. Planet earth may not be the lovey kissy commune I thought it was with the United States preventing world peace by refusing to play nice with the rest of the world. That has helped him SOME, but he is still an appeasing weakling.

[quote]smh23 wrote:<<< Re; sanctions, the hope is (maybe was is the right term here, depending on what happens over the course of the next few months) >>>[/quote]The hope can be that Ahmadinejad finds Jesus and ceases all hostility with everybody. Hope is an 08 Obama campaign catchword. We need decisions friend. Decisive effective ones. AND NOW. Sanctions never really work. What;s that definition of insanity again?

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Sifu, how do they know about the progress of the uranium enrichment?
Has Iran been posting updates, bragging, or something?

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:<<< sanctions are an excuse for not dealing with the problem in a meaningful manner. >>>[/quote]Of course they are. Ya know, in principal and at bottom, international affairs aren’t that much different than local ones. If you got a guy wavin a gun around in a mall you don’t set up a perimeter and starve him. You send in your specialists and take the guy out. Unpleasant? Yes, but welcome to the big bad world. We may not want to emulate the Chinese exactly, but this is one difference between us and them. Yes, I do actually understand that it’s not THAT simple when dealing with a situation like Iran, but it’s not THAT much different either.[quote]Sifu wrote:<<< From what I have read, Iran is three weeks away from having enough twenty percent enriched Uranium to produce one bomb. The time has come to deal with this issue instead of looking for excuses.[/quote]The Israelis will take care of this and not care what anybody thinks about it as well they should. To be clear, I don’t have a theology that sees Israel as God’s chosen people in the 21st century who should be supported no matter what. Israel does what’s best for Israel. Their alliance with us is purely utilitarian. They’d stab us in the back tomorrow if it were to their advantage. That’s not a criticism at all. That’s how ANY country survives. I wish we would take more cues from them.l Before anybody makes any unfounded assumptions, I support Israel and do not have an anti Semitic bone in my body. I just don’t give them the pedestal status that many of my Christian brethren do.

[quote]smh23 wrote:<<< I wouldn’t say that Obama has been running the military like a hippie protester in a suit, and I doubt that you really would either. He is many things, but a pacifist he is not. >>>[/quote]I will give him SOME credit for self preserving pragmatism. He entered the whitehouse proclaiming “BLESS GOD, I’M GONNA SHUT DOWN GITMO, STOP ALL THIS QUARRELIN, BRING HOME THOSE MURDERERS… UH, I MEAN SOLDIERS, AND EVERYBODY WILL LOVE US AS GOOD NEIGHBORS!!” . He was different after his very first month in office. I suspect it was those daily early morning security briefings.

Morning one. In comes the intelligence guys. “Here’s the latest list of all the folks who wanna blow us up Mr. President, their strongholds around the globe and plans to bring murderous destruction here while committing murderous destruction there”.
Obama: “I… see. (confused scowl on face) What if we give them candy and a hug?”
Security guys: “Well Mr. President, in our experience , as long as these guys are around, they’re gonna wanna kill us and will whenever possible. They have some major state players on their side too.”
Obama: “Hmmmm… that doesn’t make me feel good. Wadda you guys think we should do with all these groups in all these areas of the world?”
Security guys: “Well sir, that’s what we hired you for.”
Obama: “Yeah but, I have a domestic agenda for transforming the Untied States into a marxist playground. I don’t have time for all this geopolitical national security stuff.”
Security guys: “If we might be so bold as to make an educated suggestion sir, you may wanna find time lest millions of people die on your watch and possibly within our own borders.”
Obama: That like really sucks man, but I see your point.

Not being a moron or suicidal he does see the point. Planet earth may not be the lovey kissy commune I thought it was with the United States preventing world peace by refusing to play nice with the rest of the world. That has helped him SOME, but he is still an appeasing weakling.

[quote]smh23 wrote:<<< Re; sanctions, the hope is (maybe was is the right term here, depending on what happens over the course of the next few months) >>>[/quote]The hope can be that Ahmadinejad finds Jesus and ceases all hostility with everybody. Hope is an 08 Obama campaign catchword. We need decisions friend. Decisive effective ones. AND NOW. Sanctions never really work. What;s that definition of insanity again?

[/quote]

In a rare but welcome turn of events, we agree on most of this.

I still think the sanctions were worth a shot. But now that they’ve failed I think the prospect of a nuclear Iran is more frightening than the prospect of war, so I’m on the side of intervention if the speculation about the enrichers’ proximity to their goal is correct.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
Pointless.

What exactly does it achieve?[/quote]

You really are stupid, aren’t you?

Ask this guy what it achieves. No, not the bearded guy. He’s the president of Iran now. Ask the guy in the blindfold.[/quote]

You see I live in a non-shitty part of the world and I’d rather not see Canada involve itself in this conflict.

Instead of throwing around insults tell me EXACTLY what this accomplishes?

[/quote]

Um - Canada has ton of Muslim brotherhood sympathisers, pro Palestinian forces and hezbollah sympathisers plus a whole bunch of Marxists pushing arab Muslim causes in canada.

Lots of luck avoiding this conflict!!

Interesting news though - well done Canada!!!

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[quote]'nuffsaid wrote:

Um - Canada has ton of Muslim brotherhood sympathisers, pro Palestinian forces and hezbollah sympathisers plus a whole bunch of Marxists pushing arab Muslim causes in canada.
[/quote]

Define a lot and provide evidence for this claim.

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Also explain what you mean by “pushing arab Muslim causes in canada.”

What exactly does that entail?

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[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
Sifu, how do they know about the progress of the uranium enrichment?
Has Iran been posting updates, bragging, or something?[/quote]

The IAEA has been monitoring their activity and reporting on it. So they could have more that they aren’t declaring. I have seen it reported that the Iranians also have some sixty and seventy percent enriched uranium as well.