A carrot? Any particular reason for this choice of vegetable or was it creative license? I suppose his supplier had an accident?
I have a totally different and unpopular view on drugs but I think it’s the correct view to have.
The single biggest problem with drugs is their illegality. I don’t know how many more people would do drugs if they were legal than in their current state, but I guess its what you look at.
To me, as long as what you do to your human body does not harm another human body, I don’t really care what you do to it. You can ram it full of synthol or crack as long as you keep it to yourself and nobody gets harmed.
I get that nobody lives in a vacuum, but there was a time not long ago where nobody even considered drugs as a problem. They were just there.
Hell, Coca Cola was created to help the good Dr. Pemberton to quit morphine. So in short, he used cocaine to get over his morphine problem. And the world got cold, refreshing Coca Cola. Don’t expect the Coca Cola museum to tell you these facts. They sanitize and lie about the history of the drink to the point where I wonder why they bother telling any part of the story at all.
I guess my point is what is your actual goal? Are you trying to get people to aspire to some form of well being in their lives or trying to save lives?
If your trying to save lives, allowing drug users access to clean, consistent products at reasonable price is the quickest way to save lives. Most overdoses due to inconsistent product as your story tells.
If people could get their same shit consistently and be able to reliably trust it is what they think it is, overdoses would go down significantly.
I don’t have any proof, but I am pretty sure the influx of Fentanyl into the black market was a targeted and calculated move by China. Apparently you can buy 5 gallon drums for 5 bucks. So everybody is cutting with it and if you want a stronger hit, put more fentanyl in it.
And then you get some people who think they can tolerate anything and you have a toxic cocktail for death.
Would you say, in an all drugs are legal scenario, that using drugs should take away your ability to receive public assistance to fix drug related ailments?
I think what you contribute matters.
People, I think, automatically picture the strung out junkie on a dirty back ally somewhere when they think of drugs. When in reality, the person next to you at work may be a very preductive coke head.
I have known people to do have done all kinds of shit at work and do a good job at their job. Why?
Well, most jobs are easy once you know how to do them and it does away with the monotony and boredom of a lot of jobs. Some people are inspired by them.
How many musicians do drugs? Somewhere approaching 100% I am pretty sure.
I have heard of even supposed ‘clean’ ones say shit like “Oh, I just don’t consider pot a drug.” and hence they are ‘clean’.
So no, I don’t believe taking drugs should automatically disqualify you from public or private assistance. Not generally a fan of ‘public’ anything, but I think we all, if we are being honest with ourselves, need some sort of safety net. And everybody falls down from time to time, the standing ought to lend a hand. I say that grudgingly though.
So you think all drugs should be legal yet society should also pick up the slack for the inevitable problems associated with doing those drugs? Is there a sliding scale for that? Like repeat offender through rehab 4x vs functioning addict?
Well, if you’re otherwise an upstanding, productive member of society, who care’s what you do in your free time?
Or if you you are a high functioning junkie, so long you strike some balance with your health, who cares?
If you’ve gone through rehab 4X’s you can probably forget about ‘getting clean’ especially in a scenario where you can maintain your habit 'til death do you part.
I don’t know, what limitations do we put on any negative behaviors? How many STD’s are you allowed to get before you shouldn’t have sex anymore? Or babies? Or abortions? Or marriages?
What’s the penalty of eating too much consistently? Something that puts a considerable strain on our healthcare system, probably the most strain.
What about adrenaline junkies? How many bones should we mend for them before we take their motorcycle?
Point being, we tolerate a lot of destructive behaviors and those are perfectly legal and we pick people up and dust them off all the time. What’s the difference?
How/who determines that? Is there a grading scale? Not trying to be combative, I promise. Just always interested in the thought process of ‘legalize everything’ peeps
Normally I’d say the chemical addiction, but that doesn’t really matter here.
Assuming the addict doesn’t turn to crime? Not a whole lot. But personally, I don’t think society should be currently picking up the tab for those that intentionally make risky decisions without the ability to cover themselves.
Well, I would think a person should cover themselves for most situations, like paying for insurance. As far as public assistance, I would not think beyond not letting them die and pushing out of the public help to the arms of private help would be necessary.
Pretty much what we do for any other risky behavior.
See, IMHO people do far stupider shit for sex than for pretty much anything else. You can be stone cold sober and drive your family in to an oak tree. So that in no time flat you have left a smoking crater of many people’s lives. You haven’t done anything illegal or anything other people would consider particularly risky and manage to destroy lives.
Besides, I think the primary thing that destroy’s a drugs user’s life tends to be the illegality of it. That’s leads to a myriad of problems that would not otherwise exist if they were not illegal.
Don’t worry, though. Nobody in my or your life time is both going to hold this opinion and be in the position make it happen.
Yes, I was referring to his supplier having an accident, drug dealing isn’t a particularly safe way to make money. The carrot part was from a south park episode I saw many years ago which I found very funny.
The person previously had an undiagnosed pituitary tumour that was secreting excess growth hormone, when he awoke to find he was a carrot (with an intact GH secreting pituitary tumour, although it’s now a picarrotory tumour secreting… carrot growth hormone) he went through a massive period of growth and is now a very large carrot @DeadKong
Fine, you did the full scientific explanation for the former person, but how did the rabbit get so big as to threaten a human sized carrot? The carrot seemed to be walking with people and was contemporaneous in size.
Actually this issue is extremely important, so much so that I’ve decided to answer it with a super rational explanation (I have a very strange sense of humour).
In 1972 there was this shitty horror film called night of the lepus in which in order to stop rabbits from overpopulating due to a lack of natural predators, a scientist starts experimenting on this one rabbit to find a cure, the rabbit escapes and starts breeding, however it has been injected with a formula known to cause serious genetic mutations. The rabbit starts breeding like… a rabit, and therefore creates a strain of super giant, mutant rabbits. The carrot was being chased by one of those rabbits. All PLOT HOLES CLOSED!!!
How much time have you got?
Lots and lots of partners, cheating, ‘sexting’, hookup websites, divorcing and remarrying a lot, and on and on and on…
You have a wife and kids, right? I think I have heard you say something to the effect… Imagine your wife catches you cheating? Would she be cool with that? Imagine you catch her? You cool with that? What happens if it doesn’t stop? More importantly, what happens to your kids?
I am not accusing you of anything, but just imagine it… Now realize it happens all the time.
I mean eventually people hit their limits and they have enough, even if they are super tolerant. Once they hit their limits, the whole family pays for whatever and whoever made the ‘mistakes’. Families get broken and destroyed.
People go to all kinds of lengths for sex, not only to find it, but to do it, to persist at it no matter who gets in the way.
I really don’t see that any worse than a drug habit. If anything, a drug habit is at least more forgivable. Your best friend and your wife going at it? Yeah, your not going to have one or both by the time all is said and done.
The damage is debatable. Not that it doesn’t do any damage but the extent largely depends on the habit. Same with other drugs. The weekender isn’t going to have the issues a daily user has…
I mean none of those seem more dangerous than dying to an OD or bad mix of drugs to me
Yeah 2 lil munchkins
Well there’s still the risk of forming a chemical addiction regardless of your intent when deciding to use. Nobody starts out with a plan to become reliant and have it torch their lives.
Again objecting on the basis that most users know their limits and if you have a consistent product, you will not have near the level of bad mixes or OD’s.
Sure people will still manage to OD, but the threat level of fentanyl is alarmingly high versus it’s opiate counterparts.
I tried to find data but it’s varied and inconsistent. Anecdotal data and conjecture lead me to believe that fentanyl in the mix is the major threat where an opiod market place without fentanyl in it, is far safer.
