[quote]pat wrote:
Actually it does a rather good job. You have to prove it wrong for it to be wrong. [/quote]
Not how it works, patty cakes. YOU make the claim, so YOU prove it right.
Should be easy for you, right? If it’s such a supportable claim then shower me with evidence, evidence NOT being a philosophical argument that uses god magic to create something from nothing. That’s faith based reasoning, and it’s shit.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
Here’s the difference between you and I; while neither of us know with a certainty how the universe was created, I’m not willing to fill in the gaps with “god did it”.
I’m comfortable with the fact that there’s ZERO evidence for any sort of a deity. Not one shred. I’m also comfortable with the fact that there’s brilliant scientists out there who aren’t willing to just fill in the gaps with “god did it”, and are trying to figure the whole thing out.[/quote]
Oh goody, you want to tell me the difference between you and I. You don’t know me therefore you aren’t qualified to make this determination.
This is not a “God of gaps” argument. If you understood the argument, then you’d know that. If you think it’s a God of gaps argument, show me where. Don’t give me your ignorant ad hominems, come on with it. Prove me wrong.
Oooooooo brilliant scientists! Now I am scared. Wow, really? This is your counter claim and appeal to Authority?
And if you are comfortable with ignorance, than why are you here? If you are going to have these discussions, you have to deal with the issue of God’s existence. If you are comfortable not knowing, then you don’t need to be here. This is about proving your case, which you have failed miserably thus far.
Your arguments are as follows. I read some books and some really smart people don’t think God exists, therefore neither do I.
Hardly compelling but what ever floats your boat. I have actually heard better arguments by the flat earth society. Who actually make a really good case for their claims.[/quote]
Again, I don’t have to prove you wrong; prove yourself right first. But of course, you can’t. Sorry about this, patty cakes, but there is ZERO evidence for the existence of any diety.
Zero.
None.
Doesn’t exist.
And yes, I have read some books written by some really smart people, and yes they did in fact help in shaping me. They got me asking the right questions; questions that had no answers. They had me examining the evidence, of which there is none. They had me looking at religion with a critical, skeptical perspective, and it became obvious that religions and their gods are man made, not the other way around. With zero evidence to support the existence of any deity, I came to the conclusion that “god” does not exist.
“God” was created in mans image, not the other way around.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
Science improves our lives and helps to explain our universe. Science doesn’t settle for “god did it”.
Do us all a favor, and just show us your evidence for the christian god, or any deity for that matter. After that, I’ll apologize and get to praying. Until then, have fun with your god magic stories.[/quote]
Science didn’t ask the question or test it. Apparently you don’t know much about science either. So tell me, when was the “God Experiment” conducted?
Further it’s a ridiculousness notion, science just measures things. It infers causal relationships. It’s an empirical philosophy that draws conclusions based on observation and is considered correct on the basis of correlations. Highly correlated events are thought to be true, poorly correlated events are false.
My proof is based on the cosmological argument from the point of contingency and you may want to learn it, if you really want to have this conversation. I don’t care if you do or don’t, but you saying stupid shit about it that isn’t true doesn’t help you in the least at proving your case.[/quote]
Again, show me all of your evidence for god’s existence. Go on, get to it, it should be easy for you. Your cosmological argument relies on a god, using god magic, to create something out of nothing. That’s a fail, and it seems to be all you have.
Evidence or STFU
But even if I was to look past all of the holes on the cosmological argument, and we agreed that it does in fact prove the existence of a deity (LOL), it would do NOTHING to support the existence of your christian god, and all of his peculiar personality traits, which happen to also be the personality traits of mankind at large. Coincidence? I think not.
Gods are always made in MAN’S image, yours is no different.