You are another anti Christian post modern imposter that we are so abundantly warned about in that very new testament you pretend to embrace. Someday you and I are gonna lock horns for real. I have too much goin on now.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
You are another anti Christian post modern imposter that we are so abundantly warned about in that very new testament you pretend to embrace. Someday you and I are gonna lock horns for real. I have too much goin on now.[/quote]
And you are simply a modern day Pharisee, clinging to any thread of legalism so that you may somehow continue to tell yourself you are more pious than others.
Save your time. I have no interest in debating page after page of “cut and paste” with you. Believe as you want. But you might consider getting that eye looked at. All that wood is likely to cause infection.
Christians could do much worse than placing their faith in a role model such as Jesus Christ. Some people need faith in someone like that more than they need logic about the origins of Native Americans. Why can’t you accept this, and why can’t you leave them alone?
What does it say about YOU that you want to discredit this belief? Christians aren’t perfect (no one is), but I’ve found that they can be just as aware of how they fall short of Christ’s image as you apparently feel you can see and believe me, it hurts much worse for them than it does for you.
I seriously doubt you have good intentions and your feigning ignorance and curiosity doesn’t fool anyone. Maybe you should look inwardly to see something about yourself that everyone else can see instead of thinking you are the one with clear sight of others.
Whether Christians live up to the image of Christ or not is separate from the concept that they at least embrace that he is one to hold in high esteem. Is it always logical? Maybe not, but you aren’t going to prove with logic that someone should live such a good existence, so your logical maneuvering will do nothing to progress our people. Perhaps you should spend more time contemplating how you could possibly encourage people to live more positively through their own frame of reference rather than trying to force what you see on others.
[quote]JEATON wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
You are another anti Christian post modern imposter that we are so abundantly warned about in that very new testament you pretend to embrace. Someday you and I are gonna lock horns for real. I have too much goin on now.[/quote]
And you are simply a modern day Pharisee, clinging to any thread of legalism so that you may somehow continue to tell yourself you are more pious than others.
Save your time. I have no interest in debating page after page of “cut and paste” with you. Believe as you want. But you might consider getting that eye looked at. All that wood is likely to cause infection. [/quote]As usual with you bible butchers you have no clue what what legalism, a pharisee, or the gospel is. None. You’re a product of this age like all but a very small handful of people here who claim to be Christians. You have no testimony and no knowledge of the holy Son of God who Himself interpreted the old testament for us. Your post above is an insolent affront to the reputation of the God whose Word you distort for your own worldly ends.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]JEATON wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
You are another anti Christian post modern imposter that we are so abundantly warned about in that very new testament you pretend to embrace. Someday you and I are gonna lock horns for real. I have too much goin on now.[/quote]
And you are simply a modern day Pharisee, clinging to any thread of legalism so that you may somehow continue to tell yourself you are more pious than others.
Save your time. I have no interest in debating page after page of “cut and paste” with you. Believe as you want. But you might consider getting that eye looked at. All that wood is likely to cause infection. [/quote]As usual with you bible butchers you have no clue what what legalism, a pharisee, or the gospel is. None. You’re a product of this age like all but a very small handful of people here who claim to be Christians. You have no testimony and no knowledge of the holy Son of God who Himself interpreted the old testament for us. Your post above is an insolent affront to the reputation of the God whose Word you distort for your own worldly ends.
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…and you are a Calvinist Reformist.
'Nuff said.
Go impress someone else with your plagiarist skills.
[quote]NAUn wrote:
Christians could do much worse than placing their faith in a role model such as Jesus Christ. Some people need faith in someone like that more than they need logic about the origins of Native Americans. Why can’t you accept this, and why can’t you leave them alone? >>>[/quote]Lord Jesus help me. I know you didn’t mean anything horrible by this post pal LOL. Lemme help ya out please. Jesus is not a role model for true Christians. He is creator of heaven and earth. The sum of all truth, light and life and for whom the whole of history proceeds. He is the Son of the most high Father God and second person of the co-eternal co-divine Godhead.
He is the alone payment for sin of all those given to Him by the Father from all eternity. He is seated at the right hand of the Father awaiting the appointed time when He will righteously judge every last human being who ever existed. He is the ground and foundation of all knowledge without which not so much as one syllable of debate about American Indians or anything else is intelligible. He is also the one from whom I take my interpretation of the old testament unlike these arrogant modernist liberals who pretend to know better than He does.
On the contrary my friend. It isn’t that the saints, the redeemed in Christ don’t need logic to believe. It’s that logic itself doesn’t function without Him. Even for you. You are right about one thing though. This guy doesn’t care one bit about learning anything. He’s just another pagan thinking he’ll be the first to push us poor intellectually helpless believers into facing the pathetic nature of our antique beliefs.
[quote]JEATON wrote:<<< plagiarist skills. >>>[/quote]Here we go boys n girls. Did you just accuse me of plagiarism? Show us. I dare ya. (man I’m gittin tired of sayin that) And whatsa “reformist”?
You did not deny the Calvinist, and Calvinist goes with Reformist like peanut butter goes with jelly.
Smear it between two slices of pious bread and you have a Pharisee sandwich. Enjoy.
[quote]JEATON wrote:
You did not deny the Calvinist, and Calvinist goes with Reformist like peanut butter goes with jelly.
Smear it between two slices of pious bread and you have a Pharisee sandwich. Enjoy. [/quote]Do you love your country? That’s a relevant question. A simple yes or no will do.
EDIT: I’m goin to sleep. I don’t feel too guilty. This thread was never about Indians anyway. Your failure to either produce my plagiarism or admit you were lyin will not enhance your credibility. Even to the crowd here who hates my guts, but has also failed to ever once document an accusation they’ve made against me.
An answer to my question would be very instructive. If not. We’ll add that to your unwillingness to validate your claims. You don’t even know what A Calvinist is, but I most assuredly am one as I have loudly declared for like ever.
Push, I think the puddy tat is gone.
I forget…are you the godless pagan and I the bible butcher, or vice verse?
can someone answer the original question? im interested
I can see mufasa was right about the thread degrading rapidly.
I’m seriously not out to disprove Christianity with Native Americans. I was genuinely curious.
If I wanted to make a thread for disproving Christianity I would have pointed out a myriad of ass-backwards problems in the bible itself, changes that religious authorities have made, and the fact your god is a total douche not worthy of worship if he would doom billions of people to eternal hell for not even knowing he existed, because he never gave them any sign.
It annoys me greatly that people jump on me for trying to disprove their religion when my goal is satisfying my own curiosity about their faith and why they believe or how they explain something.
And I would say you certainly could pick a far worse role model than Jesus, I’m aware some people need to believe because it helps them, which is why I wasn’t pushing to disprove, I was asking for their solution.
[quote]Experiment1 wrote:
I can see mufasa was right about the thread degrading rapidly.
I’m seriously not out to disprove Christianity with Native Americans. I was genuinely curious.
If I wanted to make a thread for disproving Christianity I would have pointed out a myriad of ass-backwards problems in the bible itself, changes that religious authorities have made, and the fact your god is a total douche not worthy of worship if he would doom billions of people to eternal hell for not even knowing he existed, because he never gave them any sign.
It annoys me greatly that people jump on me for trying to disprove their religion when my goal is satisfying my own curiosity about their faith and why they believe or how they explain something.
And I would say you certainly could pick a far worse role model than Jesus, I’m aware some people need to believe because it helps them, which is why I wasn’t pushing to disprove, I was asking for their solution.[/quote]
Why would you be interested in their ‘solution’ if you believe this:
And if you were not even aware of the different beliefs Christians have about creation and the deluge why do you hold such strong opinions on something you obviously know little about? i.e. what Christians believe.
I’m well aware of there being many, many different Christian beliefs, so I’d be interested in hearing how they each explain the question.
I picked the question because it’s a pretty definite statement by the Bible that conflicts with what we do know in history.
So I have my own solution, I just want to hear others. I don’t have to believe their answer to actually want to know how they explain it. It interests me and my curiosity, what more reason do I need to ask? Have you never been curious of other people’s thoughts or opinions on something they don’t agree with you on?
[quote]Experiment1 wrote:
I’m well aware of there being many, many different Christian beliefs, so I’d be interested in hearing how they each explain the question.
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If you are aware that there are many different beliefs then you should know that some may consider this:
…as not the most respectful way of enquiring. And as others have pointed out some may not believe in a global deluge and therefore don’t need to ‘explain’ American Indians.