I like hermie but I don’t think he is handling himself very well with this harassment issue. He is not taking responsibility for his actions and its a relatively minor issue in the grand scheme of things. He should man up and move on, people will respect him more for it. DC is already full of people who refuse to be accountable for their actions.
[quote]StevenF wrote:
I like hermie but I don’t think he is handling himself very well with this harassment issue. He is not taking responsibility for his actions and its a relatively minor issue in the grand scheme of things. He should man up and move on, people will respect him more for it. DC is already full of people who refuse to be accountable for their actions. [/quote]
It depends on what he is allowed to say they are all under confidentiality agreements.
[quote]apbt55 wrote:
It is not regressive, it is flat, standardized. People have become so inidated with this nonesense it becomes hard to see the difference. if everyone pays the same percent, they are in fact app being impacted “equally”.[/quote]
Do the poor and middle class have different rates of consumption compared to the rich? If they do, then it is fair to say they are impacted differently. The poor and middle class spend the majority of their incomes on consumer goods while the rich spend comparatively little, and thus would have a real tax rate lower than that of the poor and middle class. Sure, not as bad as Cain’s plan where 84% of poor and middle class pay higher taxes than they do currently while billionaires like Warren Buffet only pay 0-1% on their incomes, but it doesn’t look much better. A flat tax on income instead of consumption would be better distributed.
I’ve got a couple more questions for you: Do you think the growing wealth inequality (and the problems that entails) would be accelerated if a tax system such as Cain’s or even milder forms of the flat tax were put in place? Why or why not? If such a tax system were put in place and it was true that the poor and middle class were paying the majority of the taxes, would it then be alright to have programs that benefit the poor and middle class like medicare and social security?
Why not?
You’ve completely sidestepped the points I wanted you to address and instead waste your time beating straw.
Bartering for goods is inefficient and cumbersome compared paying for them with an agreed upon currency. Those inefficiencies translate into costs for the consumer and for the economy as a whole. The average poor or middle class family does not have the means nor the desire to provide their own food, energy or other such things because there is no need. We’re not talking about what they should do after the zombie apocalypse, we’re talking what’s most effective right now. You haven’t even begun to attempt to show why what you propose would be preferable or even feasible in the real world. Please do so if you can.
Sounds more like a quasi-anarchistic fantasy than an argument. If the system breaks and the “idiotic” masses want to take what’s yours, what do you think is more likely: that you by your self-sufficient self are able to fend them off or they succeed and take everything you hold dear?
Sounds nice, but you do realize that such a setup would be impossible for most, right?
Noted.
See points outlined above. I just don’t see how what you propose will achieve any of that, not even logically.
Which groups are you referring to? Unions, corporations (including pharmaceutical companies), etc.?
[quote]kevinm1 wrote:
[quote]StevenF wrote:
I like hermie but I don’t think he is handling himself very well with this harassment issue. He is not taking responsibility for his actions and its a relatively minor issue in the grand scheme of things. He should man up and move on, people will respect him more for it. DC is already full of people who refuse to be accountable for their actions. [/quote]
It depends on what he is allowed to say they are all under confidentiality agreements. [/quote]
From what I’ve heard, he’s not under any confidentially agreements. Seems like he just doesn’t want to talk about it because it is politically damaging.
When are you guys gonna get Free Health Care down there?
Or are your politicians too busy being celebrities?
[quote]B.L.U. Ninja wrote:
When are you guys gonna get Free Health Care down there?
Or are your politicians too busy being celebrities?[/quote]
When? I guess when nobody has to pay a single penny for healthcare in this country. Did you mean socialized medicine, though?
Cain’s numbers seem to be intact so far. While alarming, the story is going to fizzle and die without these women actually going public. Anonymous accusations, in which details aren’t included, start to backfire on the press.
Even so,–Newt seems to be slowly but surely climbing. Remember, we’re going to be treated to a Newt v. Cain debate tonight, 8 pm ET, C-Span. Might want to double check it, but I think that’s right.
Edit–Checked Newt’s site. Yep, it’s on 8 pm ET, C-Span.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]B.L.U. Ninja wrote:
When are you guys gonna get Free Health Care down there?
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When are you going to get “free” health care up there?[/quote]
Are you setting me up Push?
Anyone else watch that Cain/Gingrich deal? Now THAT was informative. Man I wish these debates were all like this one. Cain did fine. Likeable and upbeat. But–and this is my opinion–he could only be 2nd to Gingrich. The guy, disagree with him or not, knows what what he believes, why he believes, and can relate it intellectually, passionately, and even with humor. He seems to have mastery of a large body of facts, figures, and history, and is completely at ease in accessing and sharing it. Here he was up against a fellow Republican, and so maintained the no friendly-fire policy he seems to be on. However, if this was Obama, in this format? Newt would clean his clock, period. GREAT format.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I also believe it came from the Republican wing that could not stomach a black Republican nominee.[/quote]
It could very well have been leaked through the efforts of one of his competitors or their supporters. They are competing after all. But your completely out of touch comment about Republicans not being able to stomach a black Republican nominee…It WAS right-wing republicans giving him his frontrunner status. The only people who’ve explicitly shown/spoke of disgust regarding a black Republican are liberals. That is a fact. Don’t just make stuff up that is so completely detached from what’s actually been said and done, and by whom. Before this scandal, the man was on his way as a serious possibility (the frontrunner), thanks TO the right wing. It was the left who couldn’t stomach his black republican self-identification.
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Sloth, you must’ve forgotten who you were dealing with here.[/quote]
I doubt he has Pussy , he just isn’t a member of my fan club
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I also believe it came from the Republican wing that could not stomach a black Republican nominee.[/quote]
It could very well have been leaked through the efforts of one of his competitors or their supporters. They are competing after all. But your completely out of touch comment about Republicans not being able to stomach a black Republican nominee…It WAS right-wing republicans giving him his frontrunner status. The only people who’ve explicitly shown/spoke of disgust regarding a black Republican are liberals. That is a fact. Don’t just make stuff up that is so completely detached from what’s actually been said and done, and by whom. Before this scandal, the man was on his way as a serious possibility (the frontrunner), thanks TO the right wing. It was the left who couldn’t stomach his black republican self-identification.
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I know many fine Republicans , but I have to say that all the racists that do not like blacks ,that I know are Republican , I do have to say I know some racist Blacks that are Democrat
Last woman is sounding very sketchy.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Anyone else watch that Cain/Gingrich deal? Now THAT was informative. Man I wish these debates were all like this one. Cain did fine. Likeable and upbeat. But–and this is my opinion–he could only be 2nd to Gingrich. The guy, disagree with him or not, knows what what he believes, why he believes, and can relate it intellectually, passionately, and even with humor. He seems to have mastery of a large body of facts, figures, and history, and is completely at ease in accessing and sharing it. Here he was up against a fellow Republican, and so maintained the no friendly-fire policy he seems to be on. However, if this was Obama, in this format? Newt would clean his clock, period. GREAT format. [/quote]Whatever anybody thinks of Gingrich he is an unstoppable monster in a debate. Or even an interview for all the reasons you mention. He is a walking library of political history. Yes, he would mercilessly stomp Obama into a bloody gory mess and smile (sarcastically) while doing it. I think the only person who would be more entertaining in a debate with the marxist in chief would have been ol B-1 Bob Dornan lol. O my Lord that would’ve been great. =]
Sloth/Tirib, Do you think Gingrich is electable? Was the CSPAN debate a preview of a Cain/Gingrich or Gingrich/Cain ticket?
[quote]tedro wrote:
Sloth/Tirib, Do you think Gingrich is electable? Was the CSPAN debate a preview of a Cain/Gingrich or Gingrich/Cain ticket?[/quote]
I don’t know that he’s electable. He has an image that he has to break through, for sure. This is a guy that Newsweek did the whole “the Gingrich that stole Christmas” on. Talks a bit about that here…
The more solid his position among the top three becomes, the more he’ll be seen as himself in speeches, debates, and interviews. He’ll start getting more media attention, and while it might be negative again, he’ll also have his chance to be seen nationally. He can talk the big ideas like none of the other candidates. And his personality is warmer than the image people might have formed from magazine covers such as the referenced Newsweek cover.
Is he electable? I think he could be. And, if he ever had the opportunity to meet Obama in debate, he’d take him apart. If he could get Obama to agree to the Douglas-Lincoln style formats you’d see an Obama reduced to “Uh, well, uh, that is to say, uh…”
[quote]tedro wrote:
Was the CSPAN debate a preview of a Cain/Gingrich or Gingrich/Cain ticket?[/quote]
Oh, and no. At least not anymore, heh.
http://nation.foxnews.com/herman-cain/2011/11/06/watch-entire-cain-gingrich-debate
The ‘debate’ in question.