The liberal media heads are really pushing me to support Cain despite some of my problems with him. Nothing would be more instructive than to watch liberals play the “Hey, you’re black, get back into the black mindset, Uncle Tom” card. White liberals vs. Cain will make for some especially interesting, and revealing, confrontations.
http://www.therightscoop.com/herman-cain-fires-back-in-highly-offensive-msnbc-interview/
He would be a disaster only because he thinks he knows monetary policy.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
So, now that the two way race is between Romney and Cain, are we going to be seeing a lot more of this Cain fella? When Bachmann, Santorum, Gingrich, and finally Perry drop out, it’s a safe bet Cain picks up most of their supporters, no?[/quote]
As I’ve said many times I like what Herman Cain has to say. With that said he would be the democrats dream candidate (or one of them at least). He doesn’t stand a ghost of a chance of beating President Obama. He’s inexperienced on the campaign trail and has already put his foot in his mouth a few times. On top of that he doesn’t have much of a national organization at this time. Granted if he became a serious contender (hot more than just a few weeks) he’d draw support and build an organization. But with four primaries coming up in January I think he has too little too late. [/quote]
@Sloth - I’m going to ahve to disagreee about ain’s ‘gaffes’. They are the exact reason why he is popular. While all the other candidates pussy foot and sidestep straight answers on our most torturous issues, Cain bluntly states thing that appeal to the basal instincts of the American public.
I cannot think of one thing that was blown up on him that didn’t work in his favor. Even the ban mosques deal, only saw his popularity surge. While I don’t agree with that blurt he made, I listened to his reasoning and it more than sound.
Cain’s bluntness might be his undoing when it comes to a nomination, he could piss off and alienate the wrong interest group, however if he gets to a debate with Obama - he will triumph.
I cannot see Obama beating Cain in a debate, Cain is simply too skilled at getting right to the brunt of an argument without seeming ad hominem. I can see Caine ssentially cornering Obama’s record and character in a way that is all too uncomfortable for teh American public to watch without cringing. It will make Obama lose a great deal of his support base.
I will say that within the last few weeks Cain has risen to the top for me. He is far and away my choice for candidate as things stand.
Not to mention the black vote. In that regard he would steal some votes from Obama. The problem with the GOP in general though is their lack of appeal to the middle and particularly lower classes. They’re still heavily associated with big corporates and ‘crony capitalism.’ They need a candidate who’s willing to do heavy ground work by fostering a strong in the trenches movement. Basically, he has to talk to the black and latin community and make them believe, at least a little. He also has to show some kind of competence with international policy and discourse. I believe he will lose ‘points’ when he has to explain some of the stuff he would do internationally if he were to get elected.
Mind you, if the US economy even grows a little next year, the Euro situations simmers down and and the stock market stabilises to a relative extent, Obama will probably get re-elected.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Mind you, if the US economy even grows a little next year, the Euro situations simmers down and and the stock market stabilises to a relative extent, Obama will probably get re-elected. [/quote]
No chance this is happening.
Cain on MSNBC:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/10/06/fireworks_msnbcs_lawrence_odonnell_hostile_interview_with_herman_cain.html
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
…Other than tat he’s the the same as every establishment candidate up there.[/quote]
Cain may be a lot of things but “establishment candidate” is not up there near the top of the list.
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The dude supports the same establishment institutions that the rest of them do.
True conservative values, not those fake Republican values
How is he gonna shake up Washington supporting the same system Obama, et al, support?[/quote]
Examples, please.[/quote]
The federal reserve.
The American military-industrial complex and its empire
Social Security.
The war on drugs.
The income tax.
Just to name a few off the top of my head.[/quote]
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Not to mention the black vote. In that regard he would steal some votes from Obama. The problem with the GOP in general though is their lack of appeal to the middle and particularly lower classes. They’re still heavily associated with big corporates and ‘crony capitalism.’ They need a candidate who’s willing to do heavy ground work by fostering a strong in the trenches movement. Basically, he has to talk to the black and latin community and make them believe, at least a little. He also has to show some kind of competence with international policy and discourse. I believe he will lose ‘points’ when he has to explain some of the stuff he would do internationally if he were to get elected.
Mind you, if the US economy even grows a little next year, the Euro situations simmers down and and the stock market stabilises to a relative extent, Obama will probably get re-elected. [/quote]
I do not think the Republican party could stomach voting for a black man
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Not to mention the black vote. In that regard he would steal some votes from Obama. The problem with the GOP in general though is their lack of appeal to the middle and particularly lower classes. They’re still heavily associated with big corporates and ‘crony capitalism.’ They need a candidate who’s willing to do heavy ground work by fostering a strong in the trenches movement. Basically, he has to talk to the black and latin community and make them believe, at least a little. He also has to show some kind of competence with international policy and discourse. I believe he will lose ‘points’ when he has to explain some of the stuff he would do internationally if he were to get elected.
Mind you, if the US economy even grows a little next year, the Euro situations simmers down and and the stock market stabilises to a relative extent, Obama will probably get re-elected. [/quote]
I do not think the Republican party could stomach voting for a black man
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Keep watching. If Cain pull this off, it’ll be precisely because of conservatives pushing him in out in front of the fair-weather ‘conservative’ Mitt Romney. Then we’ll get to watch white liberals imply Cain doesn’t deserve his blackness, or some other trash.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Keep watching. If Cain pull this off, it’ll be precisely because of conservatives pushing him in out in front of the fair-weather ‘conservative’ Mitt Romney. Then we’ll get to watch white liberals imply Cain doesn’t deserve his blackness, or some other trash.
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My thoughts as well.
Just watched that MSNBC interview with Lawrence of Liberalabia and was very impressed with ol’ Herm. I think I could easily vote for the man.
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I wasn’t happy about a few things–but heck, none of the candidates are my brand of conservatism. After that interview, and all the “but noooo, we gotta support Romney” coming out of the republican punditry (looking at you, Weekly Standard and National Review), I’m in.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
…Other than tat he’s the the same as every establishment candidate up there.[/quote]
Cain may be a lot of things but “establishment candidate” is not up there near the top of the list.
[/quote]
The dude supports the same establishment institutions that the rest of them do.
How is he gonna shake up Washington supporting the same system Obama, et al, support?[/quote]
Examples, please.[/quote]
The federal reserve.
The American military-industrial complex and its empire
Social Security.
The war on drugs.
The income tax.
Just to name a few off the top of my head.[/quote]
True conservative values, not the liberal agenda the Republicans offer
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Keep watching. If Cain pull this off, it’ll be precisely because of conservatives pushing him in out in front of the fair-weather ‘conservative’ Mitt Romney. Then we’ll get to watch white liberals imply Cain doesn’t deserve his blackness, or some other trash.
[/quote]
My thoughts as well.
Just watched that MSNBC interview with Lawrence of Liberalabia and was very impressed with ol’ Herm. I think I could easily vote for the man.
[/quote]
I wasn’t happy about a few things–but heck, none of the candidates are my brand of conservatism. After that interview, and all the “but noooo, we gotta support Romney” coming out of the republican punditry (looking at you, Weekly Standard and National Review), I’m in.[/quote]
So Sloth, I’ve been out of the media loop, so to speak, for the past couple of weeks. Save me some googling and tell me why Perry has taken this so called dive in popularity.[/quote]
He tends to fall to pieces in debates. Obama will eat him alive. You shouldn’t cringe whenever a frontrunner takes to the microphone.
Rambling on about foreign policy question.
Then there’s attacking what was supposed to be his own base.
Then there’s the lady who had cancer, who supposedly lobbied him over his HPV deal. It was his answer as to why he signed the mandate
Well, he didn’t even meet her until after he had signed the order…
Who the heck tells such a blatant, bald-faced, meant-to-excuse-his-action-by-tugging-at-the-heart-strings, easily fact-checked lie on national tv? I don’t like being manipulated into having sympathy for the position he took.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Who the heck tells such a blatant, bald-faced, meant-to-excuse-his-action-by-tugging-at-the-heart-strings, easily fact-checked lie on national tv? I don’t like being manipulated into having sympathy for the position he took.[/quote]
Since you asked.
[quote]Christine wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Who the heck tells such a blatant, bald-faced, meant-to-excuse-his-action-by-tugging-at-the-heart-strings, easily fact-checked lie on national tv? I don’t like being manipulated into having sympathy for the position he took.[/quote]
Since you asked.[/quote]
I know, and you won’t see me supporting her. She’s almost as bad the Obama administration and it’s crony investing into green…snort…‘jobs’. Or, who knew what and when about walking guns over the border.
Once upon a time, it was easy for politicians to blatantly lie and not get caught.
No wonder they want to regulate the internet.
would love to see Cain v Obama debates, wouldn’t that be wonderful… but yes, he is the only conservative that really appeals to me. Rick Perry, no thank you, and everyone knows Romney is a centrist pretending to be a conservative for this primary.
Whatever happens though, Chris Christie for President, 2016! 
[quote]Sloth wrote:
The liberal media heads are really pushing me to support Cain despite some of my problems with him. Nothing would be more instructive than to watch liberals play the “Hey, you’re black, get back into the black mindset, Uncle Tom” card. White liberals vs. Cain will make for some especially interesting, and revealing, confrontations.
www.therightscoop.com/herman-cain-fires-back-in-highly-offensive-msnbc-interview/[/quote]I have simply not had the time to pay attention like I usually do, but there is no doubt about this. Watching black liberals blast another black man would be exactly what the country needed to see as well. The timing is a little awkward though. There would be those who with some degree of persuasiveness would allege that Cain only got the GOP nomination in response to Obama. Actually they’ll be saying that even if he begins to look like a serious Republican contender.