[quote]vroom wrote:
It is getting harder and harder to take the left seriously.
The more they talk, the more ridiculous they sound.
Yeah, pretty soon they will sound almost as dumb as the Bush cheerleading brigade…[/quote]
Yet more insightful analysis.
[quote]Wreckless wrote:
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Bush lied about the need to invade Iraq and ten thousands have died as a consequence.
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From your posts I have read today you have called Bush very very stupid and a liar.
He is clearly not stupid in spite of some of his difficulty with public speech.
While all politicians are liars to a certain extent, if he lied about weapons of mass destruction so did our last president, about half of congress (both Democrat and Republican) as well as most of the worlds leaders and intelligence services.
Your accusations are silly, add nothing to the debate and reflect poorly on you.
Regarding Somolia, I have read a number of books on what happened.
As near as I can tell Les Aspin and some shitty generals deserve far more of the blame for not getting American armour ashore in Somolia.
Real generals would have worked a little harder to get the assets needed to protect their men. These guys seem to go along to get along.
Clintons share of the blame is for allowing a humanitarian mission to be morphed into a police action/hunt for Aidid at the request of the UN.
Clinton was no prize, but he gets too much of the blame for this.
[quote]Others wrote:
Oh I see, and nothing is lacking in “English” debate. :)[/quote]
No you don’t see unfortunately. I never said there was nothing lacking in English debate, I was just stating what I see lacking sometimes in US political discussion.
[quote]hedo wrote:
John
You didn’t need Bush’s speech to offer your “critique” did you?
It’s the same BS Liberal propoganda you have been spewing since day one. You just wrapped it around GWB speech.
Make sure you and the rest of the anti’s brush yourselves off once you pull your head out of the sand.
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All my points are in context with the text I obtained from the US government website. I can make points about Iraq without a Bush speech, yes, but I wanted to deconstruct (to borrow from post-modernism) his speech. I’d love to hear how my head is in the sand though.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
ZEB wrote:
According to them he is a buffoon who is evil and somehow at the same time a genius who is getting rich somehow by the invasion of Iraq.
It’s actually comical if you keep a close watch.
That should explain it for you…
It is getting harder and harder to take the left seriously.
The more they talk, the more ridiculous they sound.[/quote]
Its not too tough to understand that Bush doesn’t have to be a genius. He’s a moron who is told what to do left right and centre. The send off is he makes some cash. Its not too complex I don’t think.
John
To be simplistic ignoring a problem and hoping it goes away doesn’t make it happen. Unfortunately ignoring problems has become the preferred policy of the European psuedo elites these days.
You have preached a negative view of GWB and American policy consistently. Your comments were more self serving then a deconstruction. Perhaps examining positive accomplishment along with negative 'opinion" would come closer to your objective of actually making a critiqe.
Hey hedo: wouldn’t the tanks get bogged down in the cities’ roadblocks and be vulnerable to those shoulder-fired anti tank bazookas?
[quote]JohnGullick wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
ZEB wrote:
According to them he is a buffoon who is evil and somehow at the same time a genius who is getting rich somehow by the invasion of Iraq.
It’s actually comical if you keep a close watch.
That should explain it for you…
It is getting harder and harder to take the left seriously.
The more they talk, the more ridiculous they sound.
Its not too tough to understand that Bush doesn’t have to be a genius. He’s a moron who is told what to do left right and centre. The send off is he makes some cash. Its not too complex I don’t think.[/quote]
Actually he is a fairly bright guy. The fact that you think he is a moron just shows you are incapable of being objective on the subject.
This is not a good position to put yourself in.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
JohnGullick wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
ZEB wrote:
According to them he is a buffoon who is evil and somehow at the same time a genius who is getting rich somehow by the invasion of Iraq.
It’s actually comical if you keep a close watch.
That should explain it for you…
It is getting harder and harder to take the left seriously.
The more they talk, the more ridiculous they sound.
Its not too tough to understand that Bush doesn’t have to be a genius. He’s a moron who is told what to do left right and centre. The send off is he makes some cash. Its not too complex I don’t think.
Actually he is a fairly bright guy. The fact that you think he is a moron just shows you are incapable of being objective on the subject.
This is not a good position to put yourself in.[/quote]
Can you offer some examples of his “brightness”, please?
[quote]harris447 wrote:
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Can you offer some examples of his “brightness”, please?
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A couple Ivy league degrees, relatively high intelligence testing while in military, sucessful political career.
These are not things morons are capable of.
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A couple Ivy league degrees, relatively high intelligence testing while in military, sucessful political career.
These are not things morons are capable of. [/quote]
Ahahahahah! Priceless.
Some people with PhD’s are rich and successful yet they are morons. You have no idea whether or not all the nuts are in the jar or not.
Maybe you can spare us your worthless one line quips for a while and come up with something substantial to say? You know, like actually taking a stand on an issue instead of doing the normal wishy washy fence sitting half-hearted cheerleading while trying to appear even handed bullshit?
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
harris447 wrote:
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Can you offer some examples of his “brightness”, please?
A couple Ivy league degrees, relatively high intelligence testing while in military, sucessful political career.
These are not things morons are capable of.
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Getting "C"s in schools your daddy got you into does not prove brightness.
A dead man could have a successful political career if it were run by Karl Rove.
One solid example, please. One decision that he made ALONE that could point to him being bright.
As opposed to the whole “can’t put three sentences together without sounding like a ninny” thing.
I do think he’s a sharp guy, probably not as sharp as his whip smart dad but still good. Every doctor and lawyer in the country that thinks he has a brain would love to send their kids to yale, heck yale would surpass almost 100% of their expectactions except for the fact that harvard is better cause its harvard. He passed w/ a MBA which is no laughing matter.
He is able to provide fairly good leadership, but doesnt always make effective decisions - aka katrina & iraq.
I think he has done a good job against terrorism , afghanistan and post-911 disaster control.
If bushie were a bodybuilder he would be greg valentino, able to do some serious things but puts innapropriate focus on some issues - arms - while others aren’t paid attention to .
[quote]slimjim wrote:
snipeout wrote:
Why is it then when a republican president who agressively pursues terrorism his impeachment is near? Yet a democratic president can sit idley by as we are attacked multiple times in an 8 year period, lie to a federal grand jury and still be considered a great president. In case anyone didn’t read on MSNBC, information collected in Iraq led to the arrests of the NYC subway threat.
MSN There, that’s for all those that think we would be better off if we weren’t fighting in Iraq.
I had actually forgotten why I had posted the BJ thing in the first place til I reread this.
I know, I know, here I go flip-flopping in true liberal fashion.[/quote]
You brought it up (I assume) to be sarcastic. And perhaps to steer the debate away from where it was going.
[quote]thabigdon24 wrote:
Hey hedo: wouldn’t the tanks get bogged down in the cities’ roadblocks and be vulnerable to those shoulder-fired anti tank bazookas? [/quote]
An Rpg is not effective against the m-1. The roadblocks I remember seeing were burning tires and debris. The tanks would easily defeat them, as the Pakistani’s did with much less capable equipment.
My feeling is that the tanks would have detered the attack by shere force. The whine of the tubine engines and the speed would frighten nearly everyone. Blasting a building would have made the point. Most of the roads were wide enough for the Pakistani armor so we would have made it.
The frustrating part is the vehicles were offshore but were not allowed to be offloaded.
The clinton admin had a very funny way of turning humanitarian missions into half hearted operations with out proper personnel or equipment. The fact that 20,000 marines were sent home 2 weeks prior to this mogadishu operation speaks volumes.
On a sidenote, Vroom you act as if you know everything all the time, I wish I had half your knowledge and worldly experience. You sir are the epitome of a pessimist. You never have anything positive to say, you even disagree with stuff you agreed with in previous posts. Please don’t ever come back to America.
[quote]vroom wrote:
A couple Ivy league degrees, relatively high intelligence testing while in military, sucessful political career.
These are not things morons are capable of.
Ahahahahah! Priceless.
Some people with PhD’s are rich and successful yet they are morons. You have no idea whether or not all the nuts are in the jar or not.
Maybe you can spare us your worthless one line quips for a while and come up with something substantial to say? You know, like actually taking a stand on an issue instead of doing the normal wishy washy fence sitting half-hearted cheerleading while trying to appear even handed bullshit?[/quote]
Now THIS is the pot calling the kettle black.
And I think this has come up before. You actually must be quite insecure about your own life status to assume that there are President’s of the U.S. who have been morons. Maybe you don’t like or agree with their policies or positions, but to assume that they are not intelligent is merely sour grapes.
And don’t even get me started on the half-hearted-wishy washy-fenc sitting…
What, did somebody less deserving get the promotion vroom?
[quote]snipeout wrote:
The clinton admin had a very funny way of turning humanitarian missions into half hearted operations with out proper personnel or equipment. The fact that 20,000 marines were sent home 2 weeks prior to this mogadishu operation speaks volumes.
On a sidenote, Vroom you act as if you know everything all the time, I wish I had half your knowledge and worldly experience. You sir are the epitome of a pessimist. You never have anything positive to say, you even disagree with stuff you agreed with in previous posts. Please don’t ever come back to America.[/quote]
He never has anything positive to say about this administration, about which there is nothing positive to say.
Vroom, you’re welcome in my neck of Jersey anytime. Just call first.
[quote]hedo wrote:
John
To be simplistic ignoring a problem and hoping it goes away doesn’t make it happen. Unfortunately ignoring problems has become the preferred policy of the European psuedo elites these days.
You have preached a negative view of GWB and American policy consistently. Your comments were more self serving then a deconstruction. Perhaps examining positive accomplishment along with negative 'opinion" would come closer to your objective of actually making a critiqe.[/quote]
As I’ve said before I think the negatives far outweigh any positives. Even the oft-touted ‘Iraqis get to vote now’ thing is rubbish! The government there has been ill concieved and for years many have doubted the cultural suitability of the area for such a system, now the wrangling over the constitution, the lack of internal security and the proliferation of ‘insurgents’ proves that. Once again, to use a key right wing thinker who is a Bush policy planner-Francis Fukuyama warned in ‘State Building’ that the West was ill prepared to ‘create’ a nation.
As for the point about the breeding ground for terrorists, its true, and you haven’t refuted that. I don’t know why you feel my critique was self serving, I mean I have nothing to gain. All I hope is that people will open their eyes and unite to right wrongs. Government is there to serve people, if they screw up then it is up to us to make them answer for it.