They certainly are not for those who want to strike it rich! [/quote]
Technically, it would seem that neither are the conservatives. They appear to be FOR big businesses and corporations, not the individual looking to “make it rich”. Also, without those community reform projects that you seem to despise, less from lower income backgrounds will ever have their own chance at “making it rich”.
It seems you are against others having a chance and for any further progress only going to those who happen to be lucky enough to not be born into poverty.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
As a rule the republicans are for lower taxes. Liberals on the other hand think that its wrong to let the little guy keep his money. They want everyone to pool their money into big brother so that it can be redistributed.
Think about it.[/quote]
Right. It would be much better to continue to give “Big Brother” more and more power over our personal lives, right, Zeb?
[quote]ZEB wrote:
dylan5150 wrote:
Nothing says T-Man like a silver spoon Yale guy.
I wonder can anyone who goes to an Ivy League college be a T-Man? Do only those who went to a lesser college qualify?
Are we also to exclude all those born into money?
Just curious what one has to do with the other.[/quote]
Yes a T-Man can go to an Ivy League college. I don’t see a T-Man as someone that gets into a fight at the gym over a dumbell. I do see a T-man as someone that works hard to get into that good college. Also, once they get that opportunity they make the most of it. Hard work and sacrifice, that’s a T-Man. Due to grade inflation, Yale doesn’t give F’s. They give C’s. Giving F’s makes the university look bad. Grade inflation at high level universities is very out of control.
Also, a T-Man is about hard work and sacrifice. If those things make a person successful they should be applauded. A silver spoon rich kid can’t be a T-Man. If you like silver spoon rich kids that have had everything in life handed to them, be it an Ivy league education, numerous high level corporate jobs to bungle, or the opportunity to water ski during the Viet Nam war, then you are on your own.
Finally, John McCain is a T-Man and I believe he is quite a bit different from W.
Yes a T-Man can go to an Ivy League college.[/quote]
Or probably anywhere else as going to college should not preclude anyone from being a “T-Man.” Like money both are better to have than not.
Glad to read that as some do see a T-Man as someone who fights over a dumbbell. You attribute
“hard work” as one trait of being a T-Man. I wonder to those born of money ever work hard? Seems that at some point in their life they have to run on their own.
Do you think that running two nation wide elections was easy? Try campaigning for 12 to 16 hours per day every day month on end. Not to mention the work that comes with the job of the Presidency once you are elected. No question having the name “Bush” helped immensely. However, he did have run with it…and he did it quite well whether you like his politics or not!
As described above that would be President Bush!
Grade inflation is rampid among all Universities. However, “F’s” are indeed still given. Trust me on this one.
I agree, it would have been easy for GW to party the rest of his life, but he chose to amount to something on his own. Again, this has nothing to do with his particular brand of politics. I will say the same thing about John Kerry (who can well kick back on the Hienz fortune but does not). Howard Dean who could have remained a doctor, but chose to serve. Mit Romney, Governor of Mass. Do some reading on his life you might be surprised. Because these folks were born with (or have) money takes nothing away from their T-Man status.
All of these guys are T-Men and to be admired (political beliefs aside). Try going from state to state and city to city trying to convince people that you are the man for the job. It’s emotionally and physically draining!
Ever been booed by a crowd of people who hate you? Do you think it’s easy to face possible rejection at the polls? Some of you guys whine like little babies when your girl rejects you. Try chancing rejection nation wide! And don’t forget the physical risk these guys undergo. There are crazy people who attempt to take the life of a President, even a would be President. Candidates for the office of President have been shot and killed before! And obviously there were many Presidents who have been killed or wounded in office.
A very narrow minded statement! Completely untrue and a blantant stereotype of the worst order! (see above)
If that’s ALL they did, I would agree, but again…there are those who do far more with their lives such as the three men I mentioned above.
I agree McCain is a T-Man. In fact he might be the sterotypical image of a T-Man. War hero etc. I have nothing but respect for him!
However, I think you need to broaden your narrow definition of “T-Man.” There are a great number of T-Men who were indeed born wealthy, but continue to improve not only themselves, but take risks and improve their country as well!
T-Men come from all sorts of backgrounds; rich, poor and everything in between! Some never graduate from High School and some graduate from Harvard. Some lift weights and some never touch a weight. Some are quite articulate, some can’t put a sentence together without an error.
Never rule out anyone just because they are something that you are not!
[quote]Professor X wrote:
On a grading scale, however, the kid who “had it all” would have to do some amazingly above average feats to stand out above it. I haven’t seen that in this presidency.
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Getting to be US President doesn’t qualify? Seems above average to me, but it all depends how “amazingly above average feats” defined.
[quote]yustas wrote:
Professor X wrote:
On a grading scale, however, the kid who “had it all” would have to do some amazingly above average feats to stand out above it. I haven’t seen that in this presidency.
Getting to be US President doesn’t qualify? Seems above average to me, but it all depends how “amazingly above average feats” defined.
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No, it doesn’t. Money, power, family connections, a well-organized political machine, Rove, a retarded media, and idiotic voters. There’s a lot more to becoming president than a candidate’s accomplishments and ability. That’s not to say I don’t think a lot of the same things would have come into play had Kerry won. I prefer to look at what people at all levels of politics do in office rather than the fact that they got there.
There’s a lot of bullshit that goes on. I interned for Arlen Specter. I have a lot of friends involved in politics. My girlfriend’s sister works for Hillary Clinton. There are a lot of good thing, but there’s also plenty of problems with the electoral process.
[quote]yustas wrote:
Professor X wrote:
On a grading scale, however, the kid who “had it all” would have to do some amazingly above average feats to stand out above it. I haven’t seen that in this presidency.
Getting to be US President doesn’t qualify? Seems above average to me, but it all depends how “amazingly above average feats” defined.
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It sure does, especially when it literally runs in the family.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
yustas wrote:
Professor X wrote:
On a grading scale, however, the kid who “had it all” would have to do some amazingly above average feats to stand out above it. I haven’t seen that in this presidency.
Getting to be US President doesn’t qualify? Seems above average to me, but it all depends how “amazingly above average feats” defined.
It sure does, especially when it literally runs in the family.[/quote]