Britain Gives Pakistan 650 Million Pounds, WTF?

[Bambi]

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]domsGOOD wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]domsGOOD wrote:

[quote]Erasmus wrote:
The gov’t doesn’t give a shit about you, only for your vote.
[/quote]

Yeah the feelings mutual, and I know I should vote but I dont, they’re all villains.

But still, I dont get why they are funding the nucular program of a potential enemy…
[/quote]

If you don’t vote then you have no place criticising the government for what they, in their position of vastly superior information, choose to do. They may all be villians, but some of those villians have different views on how the country should be run, and if you give a shit about anything around you or the country you should fucking man up and voice your opinion in the only real way you can.

And since when did pakistan become the source of all terror? I see you’ve been reading the daily mail. If you want facts I suggest you look elsewhere. Britain is a smart country, we have some of the smartest and best governement services on the planet, so if they think its in our interests to give money to them, thats good enough for me.[/quote]

Thats my point, we have no idea what they are up to and I would like to know. Maybe then I would be behind it. I read the metro, that was a google job. Im not sure these people ARE that smart but if its good enough for your good self what am I worried about…[/quote]

If you read a bit about british history and the evolution of the civil services you might have a little more faith in them. We are one of the best informed countries on the planet, and the history books are filled with examples of british ingenuity and smartness with regard to our moves on the international stage. Read a bit more and you might begin to trust those that are responsible for keeping our way of life secure.[/quote]

Yeah, he’s right. Read up about Neville Chamberlain and more recently former London mayor Ken Livingstone. Also check out former MP George Galloway. Inspired leadership. You don’t know what you’ve been missing out on. Don’t forget ahem…‘Lord’ Ahmed either.[/quote]

I’m not talking about the fucking politicians douchebag. They publicly make decisions but they ultimately do it based on information provided by the CIVIL SERVICE.[/quote]

I thought you were referring to British ‘ingenuity and smartness with regard to moves on the international stage’? I thought the heads of the civil services are appointed by the government. I thought that ministerial departments comprised such civil services as ‘Education’, ‘Transport’, ‘Health’, ‘Work and Pensions’ etc. I thought whenever the government wants advice from the civil services it spends tax payers’ money on an ‘enquiry’ headed by its own fucking Minister for that department.[/quote]

Watch ‘the thick of it’. It’s quite a good representation of british cabinet ministers (i.e. useless) apart from being immensely entertaining.

[domsGOOD]

Good, im not going crazy.

[MassiveGuns]

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

Do you have any idea what foreign “aid” is actually spent on. I’ll give you a hint. During the soviet occupation of afghanistan, the 5 billion USD “given” as aid was spent on training and arming the taliban, and buying the stinger missiles instumental in the talibans eventual victory? You do also realise that fuel used by US forces in pakistan is paid for out of the foregin aid and makes up a very large part of it. The 1 billion dollar US embassy built there recently came out of the “aid” budget too. Us brits have interests in the region too, so it makes sense that we spend some money on whatever military operations are necessary to further our interests in the region.

Sensastionalism achieves nothing.[/quote]

1. That’s very interesting in that the Taliban wasn’t even formed until AFTER the Soviet withdrawal. You need to do some research before you believe left-wing bullshit. The US aided and supplied the ‘Mujahideen’ not the radical Islamist political group called ‘The Taliban’ that was created/trained/funded by the Pakistani ISI.

2. Do you realise that Pakistan doesn’t need ‘aid’ from the Western democracies? Did you realise that the $650 million protection money just paid is supposed to be for ‘schools’(read madrassas). Did you realise that the Pakistanis are spending much of their own money on nuclear weapons technology from China? Did you realise that China released a statement in support of Pakistan the day following the raid telling us we need to support Pakistan’s ‘war on terror’?[/quote]

The fucking mudjahideen BECAME the taliban you retard when they began to fragment and pick the bones after the soviets had left. The two terms are interchangeable.

China have been an ally of pakistan for YEARS. This is not new to anyone that can read a fucking book. They have supplied them with ALL KINDS of military hardware for many many years. The foreign “aid” comes with strict conditions, and aside from the uses I just mentioned, is also used to support US and UK defence contractors in the region, along with military operations. Billions of that “aid” has come back in the purchase of american military hardware, such as the F-16s bought and the maintenance contracts that go with them, along with tons of other shit that doesn’t make the public domain.

And it’s all well and good to critisize in hindsight, but the reality is that britain is well positioned on the global stage and has a thriving arms industry.

If you tried reading some history like I suggested then you might be able to talk normally instead of running around like a fucking tinfoil hat wearing freak that thinks he’s just worked out some “conspiracy”. I guess the US and UK are so “shit scared” of pakistan we are paying them protection money? Give me a fucking break. We could fucking annihilate them in a split second if it was neccesary.

Large amounts of “taxpayers money” comes back and creates jobs for britsh industry and furthers our interests in the region. Thats a fucking bad thing right?

[SexMachine]

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

Do you have any idea what foreign “aid” is actually spent on. I’ll give you a hint. During the soviet occupation of afghanistan, the 5 billion USD “given” as aid was spent on training and arming the taliban, and buying the stinger missiles instumental in the talibans eventual victory? You do also realise that fuel used by US forces in pakistan is paid for out of the foregin aid and makes up a very large part of it. The 1 billion dollar US embassy built there recently came out of the “aid” budget too. Us brits have interests in the region too, so it makes sense that we spend some money on whatever military operations are necessary to further our interests in the region.

Sensastionalism achieves nothing.[/quote]

1. That’s very interesting in that the Taliban wasn’t even formed until AFTER the Soviet withdrawal. You need to do some research before you believe left-wing bullshit. The US aided and supplied the ‘Mujahideen’ not the radical Islamist political group called ‘The Taliban’ that was created/trained/funded by the Pakistani ISI.

2. Do you realise that Pakistan doesn’t need ‘aid’ from the Western democracies? Did you realise that the $650 million protection money just paid is supposed to be for ‘schools’(read madrassas). Did you realise that the Pakistanis are spending much of their own money on nuclear weapons technology from China? Did you realise that China released a statement in support of Pakistan the day following the raid telling us we need to support Pakistan’s ‘war on terror’?[/quote]

The fucking mudjahideen BECAME the taliban you retard when they began to fragment and pick the bones after the soviets had left. The two terms are interchangeable.

China have been an ally of pakistan for YEARS. This is not new to anyone that can read a fucking book. They have supplied them with ALL KINDS of military hardware for many many years. The foreign “aid” comes with strict conditions, and aside from the uses I just mentioned, is also used to support US and UK defence contractors in the region, along with military operations. Billions of that “aid” has come back in the purchase of american military hardware, such as the F-16s bought and the maintenance contracts that go with them, along with tons of other shit that doesn’t make the public domain.

And it’s all well and good to critisize in hindsight, but the reality is that britain is well positioned on the global stage and has a thriving arms industry.

If you tried reading some history like I suggested then you might be able to talk normally instead of running around like a fucking tinfoil hat wearing freak that thinks he’s just worked out some “conspiracy”. I guess the US and UK are so “shit scared” of pakistan we are paying them protection money? Give me a fucking break. We could fucking annihilate them in a split second if it was neccesary.

Large amounts of “taxpayers money” comes back and creates jobs for britsh industry and furthers our interests in the region. Thats a fucking bad thing right?[/quote]

The Mujahideen did NOT ‘become the Taliban’. The Mujahideen and the Taliban are NOT ‘interchangable’. The Taliban began as a political movement comprising some members of the former Mujahideen. It was formed/trained/supplied/funded by the Pakistani ISI. It waged a civil war against the Northern Alliance(also comprising members of the former Mujahideen) and other factions that tried to fill the power vacuum after the Soviet withdrawal. Like you said, ‘it’s all well and good to criticize in hindsight’.

Britain is NOT ‘well positioned on the global stage’ in comparison to China, Russia or even its ally Japan(Naval power of much greater magnitude). Britain does not even have a presence in its agreed upon ‘sphere of influence’(Mediterranean).

Pakistan, like Iraq between the Gulf wars, has a number of ways of ‘getting around’ the ‘restrictions’ on the ‘aid’ we give them. Using the aid for legitimate purposes also frees up more money for them to spend on their nuclear weapons program which is proceeding at a rapid rate.

The ‘tinfoil hat wearing’, warmongerer Hilary Clinton headed a congressional investigation into Pakistan’s rapidly increasing production of Plutonium, building of deep underground bunkers to survive a second strike and their development of MIRV technology(the ability to attach several nuclear warheads on the same ballistic missile and then launch them at separate targets).

From the end of 2001 the United States has provided aid to Pakistan for guarding its nuclear material, warheads and laboratories. The cost of the program has been almost $100 million. So the US pays Pakistan to guard its own nuclear missiles whilst Pakistan is spending enormous amounts of money on more nuclear missiles/technology/second strike defence systems? Sounds like a protection racket to me.

‘Since 2004 the United States government has reportedly been concerned about the safety of Pakistani nuclear facilities and weapons. Press reports have suggested that the United States has contingency plans to send in special forces to help secure the Pakistani nuclear arsenal.’

• Crazy conspiracy theorists in the Obama adminstration!

[John_S1]

Your country just got held up by a middle east shithole. It is ok your “leaders” are just as big of cowards as ours.

[domsGOOD]

massiveCUNT: Its nice to see some one trying to put a positive spin on this but in reality we shouldnt be helping to develop countries that are going to be facing off against us if/when WW3 comes around. Human nature and history suggest that we will never get along so we maybe we are just giving Asian countries the peg up they need to become major players. Chindia 2060 and all that…The West is going soft.

[MassiveGuns]

[quote]domsGOOD wrote:
massiveCUNT: Its nice to see some one trying to put a positive spin on this but in reality we shouldnt be helping to develop countries that are going to be facing off against us if/when WW3 comes around. Human nature and history suggest that we will never get along so we maybe we are just giving Asian countries the peg up they need to become major players. Chindia 2060 and all that…The West is going soft.[/quote]

WTF are you talking about? You are a fucking idiot if you think that the people in charge of our security don’t have every scenario already worked out in advance and carefully considered BEFORE they decide to spend money in foreign countries. Its not a positive spin, its verifiable FACT. This is exactly the type of tinfoil hat wearing mentality that is fucking rich coming from someone that doesn’t even VOTE. Those “villians” you talk about might not be perfect human beings, but one thing is for certain, they believe in this country much more than you do, and have the fucking balls to pick political side and do SOMETHING. What the fuck are you doing? Bitching about some decision thats been made by people who are in a vastly superior position to act on information than you are whilst you read the daily mail, collect your fucking dole check and scrounge off the state.

When you need some psych meds on the NHS because your tinfoil hat has given you alzheimers, guess where that fucking money’s going to come from.

If we are as fucked as you say we are then perhaps you should make an effort to change things instead of bitching about daily mail headlines whilst you drink yourself smarter and post useless drivel on the internet.

[MassiveGuns]

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

Do you have any idea what foreign “aid” is actually spent on. I’ll give you a hint. During the soviet occupation of afghanistan, the 5 billion USD “given” as aid was spent on training and arming the taliban, and buying the stinger missiles instumental in the talibans eventual victory? You do also realise that fuel used by US forces in pakistan is paid for out of the foregin aid and makes up a very large part of it. The 1 billion dollar US embassy built there recently came out of the “aid” budget too. Us brits have interests in the region too, so it makes sense that we spend some money on whatever military operations are necessary to further our interests in the region.

Sensastionalism achieves nothing.[/quote]

1. That’s very interesting in that the Taliban wasn’t even formed until AFTER the Soviet withdrawal. You need to do some research before you believe left-wing bullshit. The US aided and supplied the ‘Mujahideen’ not the radical Islamist political group called ‘The Taliban’ that was created/trained/funded by the Pakistani ISI.

2. Do you realise that Pakistan doesn’t need ‘aid’ from the Western democracies? Did you realise that the $650 million protection money just paid is supposed to be for ‘schools’(read madrassas). Did you realise that the Pakistanis are spending much of their own money on nuclear weapons technology from China? Did you realise that China released a statement in support of Pakistan the day following the raid telling us we need to support Pakistan’s ‘war on terror’?[/quote]

The fucking mudjahideen BECAME the taliban you retard when they began to fragment and pick the bones after the soviets had left. The two terms are interchangeable.

China have been an ally of pakistan for YEARS. This is not new to anyone that can read a fucking book. They have supplied them with ALL KINDS of military hardware for many many years. The foreign “aid” comes with strict conditions, and aside from the uses I just mentioned, is also used to support US and UK defence contractors in the region, along with military operations. Billions of that “aid” has come back in the purchase of american military hardware, such as the F-16s bought and the maintenance contracts that go with them, along with tons of other shit that doesn’t make the public domain.

And it’s all well and good to critisize in hindsight, but the reality is that britain is well positioned on the global stage and has a thriving arms industry.

If you tried reading some history like I suggested then you might be able to talk normally instead of running around like a fucking tinfoil hat wearing freak that thinks he’s just worked out some “conspiracy”. I guess the US and UK are so “shit scared” of pakistan we are paying them protection money? Give me a fucking break. We could fucking annihilate them in a split second if it was neccesary.

Large amounts of “taxpayers money” comes back and creates jobs for britsh industry and furthers our interests in the region. Thats a fucking bad thing right?[/quote]

The Mujahideen did NOT ‘become the Taliban’. The Mujahideen and the Taliban are NOT ‘interchangable’. The Taliban began as a political movement comprising some members of the former Mujahideen. It was formed/trained/supplied/funded by the Pakistani ISI. It waged a civil war against the Northern Alliance(also comprising members of the former Mujahideen) and other factions that tried to fill the power vacuum after the Soviet withdrawal. Like you said, ‘it’s all well and good to criticize in hindsight’.

Britain is NOT ‘well positioned on the global stage’ in comparison to China, Russia or even its ally Japan(Naval power of much greater magnitude). Britain does not even have a presence in its agreed upon ‘sphere of influence’(Mediterranean).

Pakistan, like Iraq between the Gulf wars, has a number of ways of ‘getting around’ the ‘restrictions’ on the ‘aid’ we give them. Using the aid for legitimate purposes also frees up more money for them to spend on their nuclear weapons program which is proceeding at a rapid rate.

The ‘tinfoil hat wearing’, warmongerer Hilary Clinton headed a congressional investigation into Pakistan’s rapidly increasing production of Plutonium, building of deep underground bunkers to survive a second strike and their development of MIRV technology(the ability to attach several nuclear warheads on the same ballistic missile and then launch them at separate targets).

From the end of 2001 the United States has provided aid to Pakistan for guarding its nuclear material, warheads and laboratories. The cost of the program has been almost $100 million. So the US pays Pakistan to guard its own nuclear missiles whilst Pakistan is spending enormous amounts of money on more nuclear missiles/technology/second strike defence systems? Sounds like a protection racket to me.

‘Since 2004 the United States government has reportedly been concerned about the safety of Pakistani nuclear facilities and weapons. Press reports have suggested that the United States has contingency plans to send in special forces to help secure the Pakistani nuclear arsenal.’

• Crazy conspiracy theorists in the Obama adminstration![/quote]

1. The “ISI” is a bitch of an intelligence agency that is partly funded and largely controlled by the US/UK. The mudjahadeen/tabliban were trained and funded “through” the ISI with US money so that it wouldn’t come back as the US as being seen as directly responsible for the arming of the mudjahadeen and the takedown of russian forces.

2. Britain has a vast network of influence that is a little more complicated than simply “whos got the biggest dick” and has been established for a very very long time.

3. So you are claiming what I have said is false or ignoring the point? The information I have provided is no secret to anyone that doesn’t wear a tinfoil hat.

4. What exactly is your point about nuclear weapons? You honestly beleive that any middle eastern country (bar iran) in its right mind would initiate a first strike against western miliary forces or allies? There are easier ways to commit suicide. And some ridiculous notion that the taliban are going to use nuclear weapons if they captured them wont fly either.

Those idiots are still in the fucking middle ages. The only reason they can fire an RPK and use soviet night vision equipment is because they were taught how. Suddenly they are going to be able to deploy MIRV nuclear weapons they picked up at a bazaar in pakistan? Gimme a fucking break.

Oh, and 100 million is peanuts in helping a KNOWN ALLY help secure its weapons, and simultaneously allow us to keep an eye on them.

[LIFTICVSMAXIMVS]

Foreign aid is blackmail. Our overlords have figured out that it is easier to blackmail countries with no military than it is to loot from us who may actually try to fight back. They steal our money and give it as “aid” to despotic regimes merely for political power and nothing more.

People with power like to use their power on those with none.

[SexMachine]

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

Do you have any idea what foreign “aid” is actually spent on. I’ll give you a hint. During the soviet occupation of afghanistan, the 5 billion USD “given” as aid was spent on training and arming the taliban, and buying the stinger missiles instumental in the talibans eventual victory? You do also realise that fuel used by US forces in pakistan is paid for out of the foregin aid and makes up a very large part of it. The 1 billion dollar US embassy built there recently came out of the “aid” budget too. Us brits have interests in the region too, so it makes sense that we spend some money on whatever military operations are necessary to further our interests in the region.

Sensastionalism achieves nothing.[/quote]

1. That’s very interesting in that the Taliban wasn’t even formed until AFTER the Soviet withdrawal. You need to do some research before you believe left-wing bullshit. The US aided and supplied the ‘Mujahideen’ not the radical Islamist political group called ‘The Taliban’ that was created/trained/funded by the Pakistani ISI.

2. Do you realise that Pakistan doesn’t need ‘aid’ from the Western democracies? Did you realise that the $650 million protection money just paid is supposed to be for ‘schools’(read madrassas). Did you realise that the Pakistanis are spending much of their own money on nuclear weapons technology from China? Did you realise that China released a statement in support of Pakistan the day following the raid telling us we need to support Pakistan’s ‘war on terror’?[/quote]

The fucking mudjahideen BECAME the taliban you retard when they began to fragment and pick the bones after the soviets had left. The two terms are interchangeable.

China have been an ally of pakistan for YEARS. This is not new to anyone that can read a fucking book. They have supplied them with ALL KINDS of military hardware for many many years. The foreign “aid” comes with strict conditions, and aside from the uses I just mentioned, is also used to support US and UK defence contractors in the region, along with military operations. Billions of that “aid” has come back in the purchase of american military hardware, such as the F-16s bought and the maintenance contracts that go with them, along with tons of other shit that doesn’t make the public domain.

And it’s all well and good to critisize in hindsight, but the reality is that britain is well positioned on the global stage and has a thriving arms industry.

If you tried reading some history like I suggested then you might be able to talk normally instead of running around like a fucking tinfoil hat wearing freak that thinks he’s just worked out some “conspiracy”. I guess the US and UK are so “shit scared” of pakistan we are paying them protection money? Give me a fucking break. We could fucking annihilate them in a split second if it was neccesary.

Large amounts of “taxpayers money” comes back and creates jobs for britsh industry and furthers our interests in the region. Thats a fucking bad thing right?[/quote]

The Mujahideen did NOT ‘become the Taliban’. The Mujahideen and the Taliban are NOT ‘interchangable’. The Taliban began as a political movement comprising some members of the former Mujahideen. It was formed/trained/supplied/funded by the Pakistani ISI. It waged a civil war against the Northern Alliance(also comprising members of the former Mujahideen) and other factions that tried to fill the power vacuum after the Soviet withdrawal. Like you said, ‘it’s all well and good to criticize in hindsight’.

Britain is NOT ‘well positioned on the global stage’ in comparison to China, Russia or even its ally Japan(Naval power of much greater magnitude). Britain does not even have a presence in its agreed upon ‘sphere of influence’(Mediterranean).

Pakistan, like Iraq between the Gulf wars, has a number of ways of ‘getting around’ the ‘restrictions’ on the ‘aid’ we give them. Using the aid for legitimate purposes also frees up more money for them to spend on their nuclear weapons program which is proceeding at a rapid rate.

The ‘tinfoil hat wearing’, warmongerer Hilary Clinton headed a congressional investigation into Pakistan’s rapidly increasing production of Plutonium, building of deep underground bunkers to survive a second strike and their development of MIRV technology(the ability to attach several nuclear warheads on the same ballistic missile and then launch them at separate targets).

From the end of 2001 the United States has provided aid to Pakistan for guarding its nuclear material, warheads and laboratories. The cost of the program has been almost $100 million. So the US pays Pakistan to guard its own nuclear missiles whilst Pakistan is spending enormous amounts of money on more nuclear missiles/technology/second strike defence systems? Sounds like a protection racket to me.

‘Since 2004 the United States government has reportedly been concerned about the safety of Pakistani nuclear facilities and weapons. Press reports have suggested that the United States has contingency plans to send in special forces to help secure the Pakistani nuclear arsenal.’

• Crazy conspiracy theorists in the Obama adminstration![/quote]

1. The “ISI” is a bitch of an intelligence agency that is partly funded and largely controlled by the US/UK. The mudjahadeen/tabliban were trained and funded “through” the ISI with US money so that it wouldn’t come back as the US as being seen as directly responsible for the arming of the mudjahadeen and the takedown of russian forces.

2. Britain has a vast network of influence that is a little more complicated than simply “whos got the biggest dick” and has been established for a very very long time.

3. So you are claiming what I have said is false or ignoring the point? The information I have provided is no secret to anyone that doesn’t wear a tinfoil hat.

4. What exactly is your point about nuclear weapons? You honestly beleive that any middle eastern country (bar iran) in its right mind would initiate a first strike against western miliary forces or allies? There are easier ways to commit suicide. And some ridiculous notion that the taliban are going to use nuclear weapons if they captured them wont fly either.

Those idiots are still in the fucking middle ages. The only reason they can fire an RPK and use soviet night vision equipment is because they were taught how. Suddenly they are going to be able to deploy MIRV nuclear weapons they picked up at a bazaar in pakistan? Gimme a fucking break.

Oh, and 100 million is peanuts in helping a KNOWN ALLY help secure its weapons, and simultaneously allow us to keep an eye on them. [/quote]

1. Pathetic…weak. Bullshit and you know it.

2. Yes, a very long time. Wasn’t Britain well prepared in the last world war? Why the British Expeditionary Force in 1940 was a thing of beauty to behold. Sheer genius.

3. Erm…whatever. Can I go now?

4. The upper echelons of Pakistan’s military oligarchy are the worry. The Taliban is just one of their pet projects for proxy wars.

5. See 3.

[Bambi]

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

Do you have any idea what foreign “aid” is actually spent on. I’ll give you a hint. During the soviet occupation of afghanistan, the 5 billion USD “given” as aid was spent on training and arming the taliban, and buying the stinger missiles instumental in the talibans eventual victory? You do also realise that fuel used by US forces in pakistan is paid for out of the foregin aid and makes up a very large part of it. The 1 billion dollar US embassy built there recently came out of the “aid” budget too. Us brits have interests in the region too, so it makes sense that we spend some money on whatever military operations are necessary to further our interests in the region.

Sensastionalism achieves nothing.[/quote]

1. That’s very interesting in that the Taliban wasn’t even formed until AFTER the Soviet withdrawal. You need to do some research before you believe left-wing bullshit. The US aided and supplied the ‘Mujahideen’ not the radical Islamist political group called ‘The Taliban’ that was created/trained/funded by the Pakistani ISI.

2. Do you realise that Pakistan doesn’t need ‘aid’ from the Western democracies? Did you realise that the $650 million protection money just paid is supposed to be for ‘schools’(read madrassas). Did you realise that the Pakistanis are spending much of their own money on nuclear weapons technology from China? Did you realise that China released a statement in support of Pakistan the day following the raid telling us we need to support Pakistan’s ‘war on terror’?[/quote]

The fucking mudjahideen BECAME the taliban you retard when they began to fragment and pick the bones after the soviets had left. The two terms are interchangeable.

China have been an ally of pakistan for YEARS. This is not new to anyone that can read a fucking book. They have supplied them with ALL KINDS of military hardware for many many years. The foreign “aid” comes with strict conditions, and aside from the uses I just mentioned, is also used to support US and UK defence contractors in the region, along with military operations. Billions of that “aid” has come back in the purchase of american military hardware, such as the F-16s bought and the maintenance contracts that go with them, along with tons of other shit that doesn’t make the public domain.

And it’s all well and good to critisize in hindsight, but the reality is that britain is well positioned on the global stage and has a thriving arms industry.

If you tried reading some history like I suggested then you might be able to talk normally instead of running around like a fucking tinfoil hat wearing freak that thinks he’s just worked out some “conspiracy”. I guess the US and UK are so “shit scared” of pakistan we are paying them protection money? Give me a fucking break. We could fucking annihilate them in a split second if it was neccesary.

Large amounts of “taxpayers money” comes back and creates jobs for britsh industry and furthers our interests in the region. Thats a fucking bad thing right?[/quote]

The Mujahideen did NOT ‘become the Taliban’. The Mujahideen and the Taliban are NOT ‘interchangable’. The Taliban began as a political movement comprising some members of the former Mujahideen. It was formed/trained/supplied/funded by the Pakistani ISI. It waged a civil war against the Northern Alliance(also comprising members of the former Mujahideen) and other factions that tried to fill the power vacuum after the Soviet withdrawal. Like you said, ‘it’s all well and good to criticize in hindsight’.

Britain is NOT ‘well positioned on the global stage’ in comparison to China, Russia or even its ally Japan(Naval power of much greater magnitude). Britain does not even have a presence in its agreed upon ‘sphere of influence’(Mediterranean).

Pakistan, like Iraq between the Gulf wars, has a number of ways of ‘getting around’ the ‘restrictions’ on the ‘aid’ we give them. Using the aid for legitimate purposes also frees up more money for them to spend on their nuclear weapons program which is proceeding at a rapid rate.

The ‘tinfoil hat wearing’, warmongerer Hilary Clinton headed a congressional investigation into Pakistan’s rapidly increasing production of Plutonium, building of deep underground bunkers to survive a second strike and their development of MIRV technology(the ability to attach several nuclear warheads on the same ballistic missile and then launch them at separate targets).

From the end of 2001 the United States has provided aid to Pakistan for guarding its nuclear material, warheads and laboratories. The cost of the program has been almost $100 million. So the US pays Pakistan to guard its own nuclear missiles whilst Pakistan is spending enormous amounts of money on more nuclear missiles/technology/second strike defence systems? Sounds like a protection racket to me.

‘Since 2004 the United States government has reportedly been concerned about the safety of Pakistani nuclear facilities and weapons. Press reports have suggested that the United States has contingency plans to send in special forces to help secure the Pakistani nuclear arsenal.’

• Crazy conspiracy theorists in the Obama adminstration![/quote]

1. The “ISI” is a bitch of an intelligence agency that is partly funded and largely controlled by the US/UK. The mudjahadeen/tabliban were trained and funded “through” the ISI with US money so that it wouldn’t come back as the US as being seen as directly responsible for the arming of the mudjahadeen and the takedown of russian forces.

2. Britain has a vast network of influence that is a little more complicated than simply “whos got the biggest dick” and has been established for a very very long time.

3. So you are claiming what I have said is false or ignoring the point? The information I have provided is no secret to anyone that doesn’t wear a tinfoil hat.

4. What exactly is your point about nuclear weapons? You honestly beleive that any middle eastern country (bar iran) in its right mind would initiate a first strike against western miliary forces or allies? There are easier ways to commit suicide. And some ridiculous notion that the taliban are going to use nuclear weapons if they captured them wont fly either.

Those idiots are still in the fucking middle ages. The only reason they can fire an RPK and use soviet night vision equipment is because they were taught how. Suddenly they are going to be able to deploy MIRV nuclear weapons they picked up at a bazaar in pakistan? Gimme a fucking break.

Oh, and 100 million is peanuts in helping a KNOWN ALLY help secure its weapons, and simultaneously allow us to keep an eye on them. [/quote]

1. Pathetic…weak. Bullshit and you know it.

2. Yes, a very long time. Wasn’t Britain well prepared in the last world war? Why the British Expeditionary Force in 1940 was a thing of beauty to behold. Sheer genius.

3. Erm…whatever. Can I go now?

4. The upper echelons of Pakistan’s military oligarchy are the worry. The Taliban is just one of their pet projects for proxy wars.

5. See 3.[/quote]

To be fair if britain had declared war in 37-38 on Germany the Lufwaffe would have flown over to Britain without a hitch.

Pakistan is a fucked up place.

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[quote]Bambi wrote:

To be fair if britain had declared war in 37-38 on Germany the Lufwaffe would have flown over to Britain without a hitch.

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Good point. See ‘The History of the Second World War, vol 1 - The Gathering Storm’ chapter IX, ‘Problems of Air and Sea - 1935 - 1939’ and chaper XIII 'Germany Armed - 1936 - 1938, by Winston Churchill.

By the same token the British Navy could’ve entered and dominated the Baltic, mined the Kiel canal and shelled the shit out of everything along the north coast within range. A coastal blockade would’ve cut off Norwegian pig iron imports too.

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[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]domsGOOD wrote:
massiveCUNT: Its nice to see some one trying to put a positive spin on this but in reality we shouldnt be helping to develop countries that are going to be facing off against us if/when WW3 comes around. Human nature and history suggest that we will never get along so we maybe we are just giving Asian countries the peg up they need to become major players. Chindia 2060 and all that…The West is going soft.[/quote]

WTF are you talking about? You are a fucking idiot if you think that the people in charge of our security don’t have every scenario already worked out in advance and carefully considered BEFORE they decide to spend money in foreign countries. Its not a positive spin, its verifiable FACT. This is exactly the type of tinfoil hat wearing mentality that is fucking rich coming from someone that doesn’t even VOTE. Those “villians” you talk about might not be perfect human beings, but one thing is for certain, they believe in this country much more than you do, and have the fucking balls to pick political side and do SOMETHING. What the fuck are you doing? Bitching about some decision thats been made by people who are in a vastly superior position to act on information than you are whilst you read the daily mail, collect your fucking dole check and scrounge off the state.

When you need some psych meds on the NHS because your tinfoil hat has given you alzheimers, guess where that fucking money’s going to come from.

If we are as fucked as you say we are then perhaps you should make an effort to change things instead of bitching about daily mail headlines whilst you drink yourself smarter and post useless drivel on the internet.[/quote]

Dole scrounging, drinking, hat? Think you got the wrong person. And you gotta calm down a lil’ bit before you get a seizure bro. Very naive young man indeed(thats you btw).