Bowe Bergdahl: Deserter, Traitor, or Just a Pawn?

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Freed Taliban Commander Tells Relative He’ll Fight Americans Again

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/bowe-bergdahl-released/freed-taliban-commander-tells-relative-hell-fight-americans-again-n124451[/quote]

Good thing nobody saw that coming.

The best part is, every liberal friend I have is attacking his unit-mates…like it was their fault that he deserted.

God sometimes I hate politics.[/quote]

Dude, this whole thing backfired badly.

Bam thought this would help his image with the military, which he desperately needed considering the VA shit going on. And in all fairness to Bam, this mess happened long before he got to the WH. He used the VA mess during his election.

Problem is, Bam, nor anyone at the WH, either knew or cared that Bergdahl was unstable to say the least.

The NY Times has a piece on how Bergdahl has a history of leaving his post.

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[quote]theuofh wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

At what cost man? He MAILED his fucking uniform home and walked out the fucking gate.

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This is the question of the hour.

I’m not sure exactly what they had on these 5 guys and another individual mentioned that maybe Karzai finally pissed us of enough to give Afghanistan back to the Taliban.
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Perhaps you would benefit from reading the WP article complete with links to what " these 5 guys did"

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Freed Taliban Commander Tells Relative He’ll Fight Americans Again

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/bowe-bergdahl-released/freed-taliban-commander-tells-relative-hell-fight-americans-again-n124451[/quote]

Good thing nobody saw that coming.

The best part is, every liberal friend I have is attacking his unit-mates…like it was their fault that he deserted.

God sometimes I hate politics.[/quote]

I, too, find it astounding that the liberal talking points machinery would slander his mates simply to cover up the callous political move by this president. To slander men who truly served with honor and distinction, and to do so on the eve of D - Day anniversary, while that hypocrite speechifies in Normandy-- this is beyond despicable.
But certainly not beyond Obama.

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Walid Shoebat on Bismallah Bob’s YouTube account:

"It reveals a dark mind, a collector of a litany of â??terrorist favoritesâ??, videos from training on how to become Muslim Jihadist to urging American troops to desert and even favorite speeches by confirmed terrorists like Shaykh Anwar al-Awlaki, condemning America as a terrorist state…

Another video favorited by Bergdahl, is a Muslim jihadist terrorist video uploaded by the Afghan Islamic Emirateâ?¦on August 5, 2013, in which a verse from the Koran is chanted:
Fight them, so that there will be no mischief, and the religion will be all Allahâ??s (Surah 39)"

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[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:

[quote]theuofh wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

At what cost man? He MAILED his fucking uniform home and walked out the fucking gate.

[/quote]

This is the question of the hour.

I’m not sure exactly what they had on these 5 guys and another individual mentioned that maybe Karzai finally pissed us of enough to give Afghanistan back to the Taliban.
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Perhaps you would benefit from reading the WP article complete with links to what " these 5 guys did"

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Muslims killing Muslims is nothing new. It isn’t why we were over there.

Obama wasn’t responsible for deploying an unfit soldier to a warzone.

Bergdahl’s father is a nutjob, but losing a son or the equivalent can do scary things to a man.

After the US troops leave and US aid in the form of dollars is cit, shit will hit the fan again. Half of the Afghani military is addicted to opium and we will see if they can hold it together, but the odds are not good.

I’d call the whole exit strategy cutting your losses and these 5 guys aren’t going to make a difference to the big picture.

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Mad magazine’s take on the situation.

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I’ve only had time to read the last page of this thread so I’m not exactly sure what was mentioned.

My best bud is a former Ranger, part of his station was in or near the same base(couldn’t figure that out) but he was telling me this kids a deserter. He was sent on some missions to find him (obviously with no luck) the positive was no one died from his group. But the important thing is they weren’t searching for him as if he was a hostage being held by the Taliban, they were searching for him as a deserter to bring his ass back and punish him accordingly.

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[quote]theuofh wrote:

Muslims killing Muslims is nothing new. It isn’t why we were over there.

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Several of them are al Qaeda affiliates. They’re all high level Taliban hard liners.

Who said he was? Obama was responsible for releasing the five most dangerous Taliban officials. That’s the issue.

So his son getting kidnapped is why he’s a nut? So presumably all the fathers of the dead soldiers who went looking for this prick will become Salafists too?

Just because Obama announces an end to hostilities doesn’t mean there will be an end to hostilities.

You mean the five guys that you know nothing about? You’re sure they won’t make a difference huh?

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Great, Taliban says the Bergdahl deal means they’ll start kidnapping more westerners and holding them hostage…

Best reason not to make a deal like this.

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]theuofh wrote:

these 5 guys aren’t going to make a difference to the big picture.
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Whew.

I feel so much better now that we all have your uneducated reassurance.

Funny, though, how the Taliban found them important enough to use their greatest bargaining chip to get back.

But, nah, I’m sure you’re right.

They won’t make any difference at all. [/quote]

The Taliban strategists–and the Haqqani Network–had demanded these 5 and one other, who died in detention.
They have demanded these 5 and only these 5 for 3 years. They did not vacillate.
But the UofH must know better than our adversaries…maybe they believe in “no jihadi left behind.”

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]theuofh wrote:

these 5 guys aren’t going to make a difference to the big picture.
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Whew.

I feel so much better now that we all have your uneducated reassurance.

Funny, though, how the Taliban found them important enough to use their greatest bargaining chip to get back.

But, nah, I’m sure you’re right.

They won’t make any difference at all. [/quote]

The Taliban strategists–and the Haqqani Network–had demanded these 5 and one other, who died in detention.
They have demanded these 5 and only these 5 for 3 years. They did not vacillate.
But the UofH must know better than our adversaries…maybe they believe in “no jihadi left behind.”

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[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]theuofh wrote:

these 5 guys aren’t going to make a difference to the big picture.
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Whew.

I feel so much better now that we all have your uneducated reassurance.

Funny, though, how the Taliban found them important enough to use their greatest bargaining chip to get back.

But, nah, I’m sure you’re right.

They won’t make any difference at all. [/quote]

The Taliban strategists–and the Haqqani Network–had demanded these 5 and one other, who died in detention.
They have demanded these 5 and only these 5 for 3 years. They did not vacillate.
But the UofH must know better than our adversaries…maybe they believe in “no jihadi left behind.”
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These guys will be in Qatar for at least a year and its looking like like the long term US strategy is strictly training and financial support for the Afghan government.

What I’m saying is that the war is winding down and while they may still be enemies in the sense that Iran and North Korea are enemies, they will be officially the Afghan governments problem.

You can’t detain them forever and you can’t kill them, at least not by the light of day.

I’m saying this is part of the bigger exit strategy and it was mentioned on the other page, it’s the US learning the lesson the former Soviets learned.

When the war is over, you get your guys back, and get out.

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I agree with theuofh.

Also; one thing that is being totally forgotten in the zeal to criticize the President and to add to his long list of “scandals” is that these guys released are far from being “free”…NOR are we depending on other Governments to monitor them.

Rest assured that we know their every movement…and each most likely has their own personal Reaper/Predator, each loaded with Hellfires with their names engraved on the tip.

Mufasa

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[quote]Mufasa wrote:
I agree with theuofh.

Also; one thing that is being totally forgotten in the zeal to criticize the President and to add to his long list of “scandals” is that these guys released are far from being “free”…NOR are we depending on other Governments to monitor them.

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You can’t be serious. You do realise that numerous other gitmo detainees that Obama has released in the past have been confirmed to have returned to the battlefield right? In fact there’s a confirmed recidivism rate of 30%. And that’s just the ones we know about. These five guys are the highest of high risk - highest level leaders who worked with OBL, KSM and in AQ sleeper cells.

And people are only criticising this decision because it was Obama? WTF? I criticised Bibi Netanyahu when he released terrorists for Galid Shalit. Only he was a loyal soldier as opposed to a nut who deserted and joined up with terrorists.

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Rest assured that we know their every movement…and each most likely has their own personal Reaper/Predator, each loaded with Hellfires with their names engraved on the tip.

Mufasa [/quote]

Rest assured? Good grief, are you serious? And BTW, Obama has killed the hellfire missile program.

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I stand by my post.

These “freed” prisoners are far from being “free”…so yes…I am serious.

Mufasa

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[quote]theuofh wrote:

[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]theuofh wrote:

these 5 guys aren’t going to make a difference to the big picture.
[/quote]

Whew.

I feel so much better now that we all have your uneducated reassurance.

Funny, though, how the Taliban found them important enough to use their greatest bargaining chip to get back.

But, nah, I’m sure you’re right.

They won’t make any difference at all. [/quote]

The Taliban strategists–and the Haqqani Network–had demanded these 5 and one other, who died in detention.
They have demanded these 5 and only these 5 for 3 years. They did not vacillate.
But the UofH must know better than our adversaries…maybe they believe in “no jihadi left behind.”
[/quote]

These guys will be in Qatar for at least a year and its looking like like the long term US strategy is strictly training and financial support for the Afghan government.

What I’m saying is that the war is winding down and while they may still be enemies in the sense that Iran and North Korea are enemies, they will be officially the Afghan governments problem.

You can’t detain them forever and you can’t kill them, at least not by the light of day.

I’m saying this is part of the bigger exit strategy and it was mentioned on the other page, it’s the US learning the lesson the former Soviets learned.

When the war is over, you get your guys back, and get out.

[/quote]

You just don’t get it do you? This is a “unilateral” ending of hostilities that will be seen by the Taliban for what it is: surrender. They will be emboldened and will return to launching terrorist attacks on US targets and allies overseas. And probably on US soil.

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[quote]Mufasa wrote:
I stand by my post.

These “freed” prisoners are far from being “free”…so yes…I am serious.

[/quote]

But no longer to be taken seriously.