[quote]SexMachine wrote:
You have that attitude because you couldn’t hack it and you were a failure and nobody liked you. Admit it. Why else make such stupid statements? A three-year-old would know that that’s how the military has to operate. It wouldn’t work otherwise. You sign up, you do your fucking duty or you’re a loser. Don’t like it? Don’t fucking volunteer to serve in the military.[/quote]
A three-year old? You have lost any remaining credibility you had to talk about this subject.
Are you fucking kidding me?! You have no clue yourself!
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
I have this attitude because I don’t like being lied to.[/quote]
How did your recruiter lie to you?[/quote]
The recruiter is the least guilty. I was 22, wanted the adventure and I was an easy sell. The lies are much deeper than recruitment practices and permeate through the culture of the military like a religion.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
I have this attitude because I don’t like being lied to.[/quote]
How did your recruiter lie to you?[/quote]
The recruiter is the least guilty. I was 22, wanted the adventure and I was an easy sell. The lies are much deeper than recruitment practices and permeate through the culture of the military like a religion.[/quote]
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
I have this attitude because I don’t like being lied to.[/quote]
How did your recruiter lie to you?[/quote]
The recruiter is the least guilty. I was 22, wanted the adventure and I was an easy sell. The lies are much deeper than recruitment practices and permeate through the culture of the military like a religion.[/quote]
He said what lies?[/quote]
The same told by everyone else. Defending freedom, democracy, blah, blah, blah…
Ideals so seemingly important to give ones life and limbs for yet they are only lies.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
I have this attitude because I don’t like being lied to.[/quote]
How did your recruiter lie to you?[/quote]
The recruiter is the least guilty. I was 22, wanted the adventure and I was an easy sell. The lies are much deeper than recruitment practices and permeate through the culture of the military like a religion.[/quote]
He said what lies?[/quote]
The same told by everyone else. Defending freedom, democracy, blah, blah, blah…
Ideals so seemingly important to give ones life and limbs for yet they are only lies.[/quote]
So let me get this straight: you volunteered at 22-years of age, and you think you should’ve been able to be released from your duty because of some vague ideological disagreement about “freedom” and “democracy?” Is that right?
[quote]DirtyM wrote:
So let’s say they DO as you suggest- he sweeps floors back on a FOB or mans a radio; what kind of message does that send to other 19 year old Privates in that unit? “That little fuck whined about doing his job, and now he’s eating fat chow and sleeping 12 hours a day.” No bueno. OR…somebody else with shaky knees sees how easy it is to fall out and HE suddenly can’t take it either, hoping to snuggle up to malingerer #1. No bueno.
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Well, they could have shot him. Harsh, yes, but with the benefit of hindsight probably the most cost-effective course of action.[/quote]
Dood…
You give him a 9mm pistol and one round, tell him to go to the shitter and suck-start that thing. That way, the glitch is fixed. [/quote]
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
A member of the armed services does not have any such rights - he is held to an oath that can never be questioned. [/quote]
That’s not true. You swear the Oath prior to boot camp and can back out at anytime up until the day you finish training. Hell, I’ve seen people back-out after MEPS, but before shipping to boot camp.
It happens all the time… [/quote]
I know this happens in boot camp. If a recruit isn’t a real marine then quitting doesn’t mean anything. And it certainly doesn’t mean anything to that lance corporal cleaning his rifle in the sand in Afghanistan.
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A recruit isn’t a real Marine and quitting means absolutely nothing to the Coprs except it’s a waste of money. There’s a huge difference between a Lance Corporal and a recruit and I don’t give a shit if quitting means nothing to the Lance Corporal.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
I have this attitude because I don’t like being lied to.[/quote]
How did your recruiter lie to you?[/quote]
The recruiter is the least guilty. I was 22, wanted the adventure and I was an easy sell. The lies are much deeper than recruitment practices and permeate through the culture of the military like a religion.[/quote]
How did your recuiter lie to you?
How did you SSgt lie to you?
How did your command SgtMaj lie to you?
Etc…
What lies? I was told there was a Marine Corps baseball team and there wasn’t one. The injustice!
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
I have this attitude because I don’t like being lied to.[/quote]
How did your recruiter lie to you?[/quote]
The recruiter is the least guilty. I was 22, wanted the adventure and I was an easy sell. The lies are much deeper than recruitment practices and permeate through the culture of the military like a religion.[/quote]
He said what lies?[/quote]
The same told by everyone else. Defending freedom, democracy, blah, blah, blah…
Ideals so seemingly important to give ones life and limbs for yet they are only lies.[/quote]
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
I have this attitude because I don’t like being lied to.[/quote]
How did your recruiter lie to you?[/quote]
The recruiter is the least guilty. I was 22, wanted the adventure and I was an easy sell. The lies are much deeper than recruitment practices and permeate through the culture of the military like a religion.[/quote]
He said what lies?[/quote]
The same told by everyone else. Defending freedom, democracy, blah, blah, blah…
Ideals so seemingly important to give ones life and limbs for yet they are only lies.[/quote]
So let me get this straight: you volunteered at 22-years of age, and you think you should’ve been able to be released from your duty because of some vague ideological disagreement about “freedom” and “democracy?” [/quote]
I had no issues with my service nor did I seek early release. I did observe many people unnecessarily punished for wanting out. I was really close to someone who worked at the JAG processing these people in and out of the brig for desertion. In the long run it is cheaper and more efficient for them to do nothing - stop paying them, stop devoting resources to keeping them, etc.
Not even in the ball park. What I believe now is nothing like what I believed then. I suspected things were not as everyone let on they were but I was still resolved to “serve”.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
I know this happens in boot camp. If a recruit isn’t a real marine then quitting doesn’t mean anything. And it certainly doesn’t mean anything to that lance corporal cleaning his rifle in the sand in Afghanistan.
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A recruit isn’t a real Marine and quitting means absolutely nothing to the Coprs except it’s a waste of money. There’s a huge difference between a Lance Corporal and a recruit and I don’t give a shit if quitting means nothing to the Lance Corporal. [/quote]
Well that isn’t what I was saying. Just that by time a person makes lcpl they are already entrenched in the ideals - recruit depot is a distant memory.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
I have this attitude because I don’t like being lied to.[/quote]
How did your recruiter lie to you?[/quote]
The recruiter is the least guilty. I was 22, wanted the adventure and I was an easy sell. The lies are much deeper than recruitment practices and permeate through the culture of the military like a religion.[/quote]
He said what lies?[/quote]
The same told by everyone else. Defending freedom, democracy, blah, blah, blah…
Ideals so seemingly important to give ones life and limbs for yet they are only lies.[/quote]
I’m not sure I can roll my eyes any harder. [/quote]
But you probably shed tears where I would normally roll mine so it is all good.
I dont really care about the moral legitimacy of the military. The fact of the matter is that this guy turned his back on his squadron/platoon group of guys who have all been through the same shit, and this pussy couldnt take it. There is no defense for being a deserter and traitor. It’s just too bad the enemy dint take care of the issue.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
I have this attitude because I don’t like being lied to.[/quote]
How did your recruiter lie to you?[/quote]
The recruiter is the least guilty. I was 22, wanted the adventure and I was an easy sell. The lies are much deeper than recruitment practices and permeate through the culture of the military like a religion.[/quote]
He said what lies?[/quote]
The same told by everyone else. Defending freedom, democracy, blah, blah, blah…
Ideals so seemingly important to give ones life and limbs for yet they are only lies.[/quote]
I’m not sure I can roll my eyes any harder. [/quote]
But you probably shed tears where I would normally roll mine so it is all good.[/quote]
I can think of only a handful of time I’ve cried as an adult and every single time it involved death. So for your sake I hope that’s not true.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
I know this happens in boot camp. If a recruit isn’t a real marine then quitting doesn’t mean anything. And it certainly doesn’t mean anything to that lance corporal cleaning his rifle in the sand in Afghanistan.
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A recruit isn’t a real Marine and quitting means absolutely nothing to the Coprs except it’s a waste of money. There’s a huge difference between a Lance Corporal and a recruit and I don’t give a shit if quitting means nothing to the Lance Corporal. [/quote]
Well that isn’t what I was saying. Just that by time a person makes lcpl they are already entrenched in the ideals - recruit depot is a distant memory.[/quote]
Entrenched in what ideals? LCpl’s complain about everything.
[quote]Aggv wrote:
The fact of the matter is that this guy turned his back on his squadron/platoon group of guys who have all been through the same shit, and this pussy couldnt take it. There is no defense for being a deserter and traitor. It’s just too bad the enemy dint take care of the issue.[/quote]
Yes, mein comrade! Group loyalty above individual morality. The Party could use a few more like you.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I can think of only a handful of time I’ve cried as an adult and every single time it involved death. So for your sake I hope that’s not true. [/quote]
You don’t tear up every time you hear “battle hymn of the republic”, banners waving high for the motherland?
[quote]Aggv wrote:
The fact of the matter is that this guy turned his back on his squadron/platoon group of guys who have all been through the same shit, and this pussy couldnt take it. There is no defense for being a deserter and traitor. It’s just too bad the enemy dint take care of the issue.[/quote]
Yes, mein comrade! Group loyalty above individual morality. The Party could use a few more like you.[/quote]
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I can think of only a handful of time I’ve cried as an adult and every single time it involved death. So for your sake I hope that’s not true. [/quote]
You don’t tear up every time you hear “battle hymn of the republic”, banners waving high for the motherland?
Maybe I misjudged you.[/quote]
No, I don’t cry when the National Anthem is played. I actually think it’s used too often reducing it’s significance.
Don’t get to worked up though, I believe very much in the unit over the individual in the military.
I had no issues with my service nor did I seek early release. I did observe many people unnecessarily punished for wanting out. I was really close to someone who worked at the JAG processing these people in and out of the brig for desertion. In the long run it is cheaper and more efficient for them to do nothing - stop paying them, stop devoting resources to keeping them, etc.
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This is nothing to do with what you initially said. You do this all the time. You say something blatantly ridiculous and outrageous to try to rile people up then when pressed on specifics you twist and turn and start talking about something else.
Your first comment here you were defending Bergdahl. A guy who fucking deserted to the Taliban and got half a dozen of his fellow soldiers killed then got several high value terrorists released to buy his worthless arse back. He’s a piece of shit and I would have absolutely no qualms about putting a bullet in his head.
Anyway, where are we now? You saw some guys having a hard time…and? Anyone who doesn’t like what they signed up for can just walk away? As I said, a 3-year-old would know that no military could possibly operate under such conditions. No military in the history of mankind has or ever could allow people to sign up then walk away if they don’t like it.
And the most idiotic part of all? We’re not even talking about conscription. We’re talking about a professional military of volunteers.