[quote]Brett620 wrote:
I wonder what the chances are he will be court-martialed? He damn well should, but with this administration, I doubt it.
Probably will be given a Nobel Peace Prize.[/quote]
They’ve already ruled out prosecution. He was also promoted twice whilst in captivity and is entitled to full back pay.
And a child bride I’m sure.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
In case anyone missed it Bergdahl’s daddy is an IslamoNazi convert:
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Well, I’m relieved. I thought that funky ass beard was his way of showing solidarity with the Duck Dynasty family.
Incidentally, what is the the shahada for becoming an IslamoNazi?
Lemme guess: “Ash hadu anna Hitler mujahidullah.”
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Incidentally, what is the the shahada for becoming an IslamoNazi?
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Yes we can?
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Incidentally, what is the the shahada for becoming an IslamoNazi?
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Yes we can?[/quote]
LMAO!
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
He volunteered to serve then deserted and got his fellow soldiers killed trying to find him. A guy from his battalion was shot in the face and killed whilst searching for him. He should’ve been left for the Taliban to saw his head off with a blunt serrated knife.[/quote]
The US military is a mature organization comprised of individuals who know the score. Young men and women end up being sent into very trying situations they don’t fully understand or have the experience to cope with. Some rise to the occasion and some falter.
The cost of leadership is an unshakeable commitment to bringing each of them home as safely as possible. If a war was somehow capable of being perfect, situations like these wouldn’t occur. Until that happens, it’s the job of leadership at all levels to have the foresight to predict these situations and the wisdom to know how to handle them.
When you desert these values, you lose the moral high ground, and end up making comprising decisions when times get really tough and you need it the most.
And what hell is to be paid if one of these released shit-bags is found to be behind killing more Americans ?
It sounds like these guys are Taliban executives.
He’s a deserter at best, probably a traitor.
The scuttlebutt at the time was he left to actively help the Taliban and he was on a “shoot or capture” list, not a rescue list.
[quote]theuofh wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
He volunteered to serve then deserted and got his fellow soldiers killed trying to find him. A guy from his battalion was shot in the face and killed whilst searching for him. He should’ve been left for the Taliban to saw his head off with a blunt serrated knife.[/quote]
The US military is a mature organization comprised of individuals who know the score. Young men and women end up being sent into very trying situations they don’t fully understand or have the experience to cope with. Some rise to the occasion and some falter.
The cost of leadership is an unshakeable commitment to bringing each of them home as safely as possible. If a war was somehow capable of being perfect, situations like these wouldn’t occur. Until that happens, it’s the job of leadership at all levels to have the foresight to predict these situations and the wisdom to know how to handle them.
When you desert these values, you lose the moral high ground, and end up making comprising decisions when times get really tough and you need it the most.
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Nonsense. It’s the equivalent of trading Himmler, Goebbels, Goering, Hess and Bormann for a deserter who trained Nazis and whose father was a Nazi.
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
He’s a deserter at best, probably a traitor.
The scuttlebutt at the time was he left to actively help the Taliban and he was on a “shoot or capture” list, not a rescue list.[/quote]
That’s interesting, and if true it confirms what I suspected.
Watching the video released by his captors, in which Bergdahl makes several disparaging statements about the prosecution of the Afghan War by the US Army, statements which Admiral Gregory Smith opines were “clearly made under duress”, I could detect no duress.
I mean, McCain made some pretty strong anti-America and anti-war statements on camera for the benefit of NVA propaganda films, but I suspect he was reading from cue cards, and they had to beat it out of him.
In 1945 the Army put Pvt. Eddie Slovik against the wall and shot him for desertion, just for threatening to leave his post during combat. Times have changed.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Nonsense. It’s the equivalent of trading Himmler, Goebbels, Goering, Hess and Bormann for a deserter who trained Nazis and whose father was a Nazi.
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Actually, more like the equivalent of trading Samir Kuntar and four other Hezbollah terrorists for the bones of two Israeli soldiers.
Samir Kuntar, one will recall, was the Hezbollah mastermind who murdered a 28-year old Israeli man in front of his four-year old daughter, then smashed the daughter’s skull against the rocks on the beach.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
In 1945 the Army put Pvt. Eddie Slovik against the wall and shot him for desertion, just for threatening to leave his post during combat. Times have changed.
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General Order No. 5 (? 3?), learned in boot camp is:
“To quit my post only when properly relieved.”
(I used to have the exact words and could sing it in cadence “song” involving a blow job. Perhaps if the Army had not turned PC, he’d have still remembered it.)
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Nonsense. It’s the equivalent of trading Himmler, Goebbels, Goering, Hess and Bormann for a deserter who trained Nazis and whose father was a Nazi.
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So what exactly did these 5 detainees do to make them so “high value”?
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Nonsense. It’s the equivalent of trading Himmler, Goebbels, Goering, Hess and Bormann for a deserter who trained Nazis and whose father was a Nazi.
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Actually, more like the equivalent of trading Samir Kuntar and four other Hezbollah terrorists for the bones of two Israeli soldiers.
Samir Kuntar, one will recall, was the Hezbollah mastermind who murdered a 28-year old Israeli man in front of his four-year old daughter, then smashed the daughter’s skull against the rocks on the beach.[/quote]
For this deserter, the WP posted the 5 detainees’ bios. Read the links to the secret reports on them, ironically leaked by WikiLeaks
[quote]theuofh wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Nonsense. It’s the equivalent of trading Himmler, Goebbels, Goering, Hess and Bormann for a deserter who trained Nazis and whose father was a Nazi.
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So what exactly did these 5 detainees do to make them so “high value”?
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Mullah Khairullah Khairkhwa, Herat governor and acting interior minister. Khairkhwa is “directly associated to Usama Bin Laden (UBL) and Taliban Supreme Commander Mullah Muhammad Omar” and was “trusted and respected by both.” After 9/11 he “represented the Taliban during meetings with Iranian officials seeking to support hostilities against US and Coalition forces” and “attended a meeting at the direction of UBL, reportedly accompanied by members of HAMAS.” He is “one of the premier opium drug lords in Western Afghanistan” and was likely “associated with a militant training camp in Herat operated by deceased al-Qaida commander (in Iraq) Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.”
Mullah Mohammed Fazl, deputy defense minister. Fazl is “wanted by the UN for possible war crimes while serving as a Taliban Army Chief of Staff and was implicated in the murder of thousands of Shiites in northern Afghanistan during the Taliban reign.” He has “operational associations with significant al-Qaida and other extremist personnel,” was “involved in Taliban narcotics trafficking,” and is so senior in the Taliban hierarchy that he once threatened the Taliban’s supreme leader, Mullah Omar. Military officials assess that Fazl wields “considerable influence throughout the northern region of Afghanistan and his influence continued even after his capture” adding, “If released, [Fazl] would likely rejoin the Taliban and establish ties with anti-Coalition militias (ACM) participating in hostilities against US and Coalition forces in Afghanistan.”
Abdul Haq Wasiq, deputy minister of intelligence. Wasiq “was central to the Taliban’s efforts to form alliances with other Islamic fundamentalist groups to fight alongside the Taliban against US and Coalition forces.” He “utilized his office to support al-Qaida and to assist Taliban personnel elude capture. arranged for al-Qaida personnel to train Taliban intelligence staff in intelligence methods” and “assigned al-Qaida members to the Taliban Ministry of Intelligence.” If released “he is likely to pose a threat to the US, its interests and allies.”
Mullah Norullah Noori, governor-general of Afghanistan’s northern zone. Noori “is considered one of the most significant former Taliban officials detained at JTF-GTMO” who “led troops against US and Coalition forces” and “was directly subordinate to Taliban Supreme Leader Mullah Omar.” He “is wanted by the UN for possible war crimes,” is “associated with members of al-Qaida,” and is assessed “to be a hardliner in his support of the Taliban philosophy.” He “continues to be a significant figure encouraging acts of aggression and his brother is currently a Taliban commander conducting operations against US and Coalition forces. (Analyst note: Detainee would likely join his brother if released.”)
Mohammad Nabi, multiple leadership roles. Nabi is “a senior Taliban official” who was “a member of a joint al-Qaida/Taliban ACM cell in Khowst and was involved in attacks against US and Coalition forces.” He “held weekly meetings” with “three al-Qaida affiliated individuals” to discuss anti-coalition plans, “maintained weapons caches,” and “facilitated two al-Qaida operatives smuggling an unknown number of missiles along the highway between Jalalabad and Peshawar,” which intelligence officials believe contributed to the deaths of two Americans.
‘All have close ties to al-Qaeda and other extremist groups. All been assessed by our military as posing a “high risk” of returning to the fight if released.’
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
In 1945 the Army put Pvt. Eddie Slovik against the wall and shot him for desertion, just for threatening to leave his post during combat. Times have changed.
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General Order No. 5 (? 3?), learned in boot camp is:
“To quit my post only when properly relieved.”
(I used to have the exact words and could sing it in cadence “song” involving a blow job. Perhaps if the Army had not turned PC, he’d have still remembered it.)[/quote]
Well, intercepted Taliban radio chatter suggested that when Bergdahl was captured, he was squatting over a hand-dug latrine. Maybe he figured that by crapping in a hole outside the wire he was “properly relieving” himself.
[quote]Brett620 wrote:
Voluntary left his post and deserted his fellow soldiers.
Planned it.
6 soldiers were killed during the manhunt looking for him.
Reportedly made anti-American statements.
Father praises Allah and makes pro-Islam statement on social media.
Soldiers that served with him all had to sign a non-disclosure agreement.
This smells like shit.
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All of the above plus breaking aFederal law since there was no report to Congress before the release
And undermining the Afghan elections, legitimizing the Taliban …
But who is counting?
Obviously none of us knows shit. There’s definitely a reason behind the trade and it sure as hell isn’t something we’ll figure out from random shit thrown about by emotional politicians, soldiers, press, etc.
Certainly on the surface this seems odd which should speak more to what we don’t know rather than what we do.
Just curious, are the “high value targets” they traded for POWs or convicted criminals?
[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Nonsense. It’s the equivalent of trading Himmler, Goebbels, Goering, Hess and Bormann for a deserter who trained Nazis and whose father was a Nazi.
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Actually, more like the equivalent of trading Samir Kuntar and four other Hezbollah terrorists for the bones of two Israeli soldiers.
Samir Kuntar, one will recall, was the Hezbollah mastermind who murdered a 28-year old Israeli man in front of his four-year old daughter, then smashed the daughter’s skull against the rocks on the beach.[/quote]
For this deserter, the WP posted the 5 detainees’ bios. Read the links to the secret reports on them, ironically leaked by WikiLeaks
Notice, too, the connections between the Taliban command and Iran and HAMAS, connections not revealed in the mainstream press