Books/Resources on Investing

[quote]lothos wrote:
Read Rich Dad, Poor Dad Series of Books. There is a “wealth” (pardon the pun) of information on what do do with your $$$.[/quote]

Sorry, “Rich Dad, Poor Dad” is the biggest sham going. The guy who wrote these books is a pathological liar and has nothing of value to share.

This happens to be the line of work that I am in. I would recommend learning the basics first and then doing some reading on Value Investing. I believe Warren Buffet put out a series of courses for investors. I haven’t looked at the courses myself but I have read some of his books and his company’s annual reports (which he writes himself). I have also seen him speak in person at the Berkshire Hathaway AGM. He is truly an icon in the investment world and there is no one better to learn from.

However, like others have mentioned, there is a big difference between investing and speculating. Warren Buffet will teach you how to invest. In my opinion you would be a fool to try speculating or playing the markets.

[quote]YGuy wrote:
The Wealthy Barber is a good intro to investing and it’s told in a storyline format which makes it an easy read. It covers the basics like investing 10%, real estate, life insurance, etc.

YGuy[/quote]

I agree. Apply the principles in this book and you will be a wealthy man. By far the best beginners investment book I’ve ever read.

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
Definitely true for most of us, and probably for everyone in the long run and the aggregate.

I’m most definitely a broadly diversified, buy-and-hold type of guy.

But don’t forget that without people trying to find those arbitrage opportunities, the market wouldn’t be efficient… And I harbor no illusions about some of the markets with very small volumes, or some of the foreign markets, being efficient, either strongly or weakly.[/quote]

If everyone used index funds, the market wouldn’t be efficient and my advice would no longer apply.

Sadly, I am not good enough to exploit market arbitrage.

Wow…thanks everyone. I’ll start with the research/reding immediateley. Fantastic!

Now…I’ve noticed that many people thinks the “Rich Dad, Poor Dad” series is BS…being a newbie to the investing game (yes, I read a few of the books), I’m curious why you have this opinion.

Not meaning ANY disrespect at all (I’m truly appreciative for your help/opininions), I’m curious what you base your opinons on about this subject.

Would you please share with me?

Thank you

Jason

For some “practice”, you can go to http://game.marketwatch.com
Its like the nerd version of fantasy baseball…you build a portfolio with a certain amount of money and try to make as much as you can. Its a good learning tool, but not perfect… doesn’t take in to account dividends yet.

www.kenroberts.net all you need to know

As a Financial Planner, I can tell you that most of what you hear is going to be bullshit. This includes from investment houses, fund managers and stockbrokers. The majority of these people are not interested in making you money, they are interested in making themselves money. I speak with many of these people daily and the majority of them speak only of margins - what they get paid on their funds under management.

Index funds have there place, but not when the economic cycle is in its current place. Index funds are great when the economy has been depressed and is recovering.

As far as a book to read, Rich Dad, Poor Dad is a rah rah Cheerleader approach to investing. If you want something that will actually give you good, sound advice, buy a copy of “Bull’s Eye Investing” by John Maudlin. It is simply one of the best investment books ever written and puts everything in plain English.

I was in the same situation a while back and was advised to read Benjamin Grahm’s “The Intelligent Investor.” I’m glad I did. It’s an older book, but its principles and sound. The recent addition has chapter summaries and updated advice that is very readable and practical. It’s a long read, but well worth it. In fact, I think the audiobook is due out soon. As an aside, Warren Buffet, one of the richest men in the world, is Grahm’s most famous student. Trust me, it’s well worth the read.

A great book that I read which got me into investing is “Learn to Earn” by Peter Lynch. It breaks down the stock market and investing strategies in easy to understand terms for beginner investors. I highly recommend this to anybody who wants to learn about investing.

[quote]Massif wrote:
Index funds have there place, but not when the economic cycle is in its current place. Index funds are great when the economy has been depressed and is recovering.
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Based on this advice, you’re back to timing the market even with index funds. It’s called dollar-cost averaging. Keep stashing money away month after month, year after year, in a broadly diversified portfolio made of mostly index funds and you will have a lot of money after 25 years.

Another excellent book is “the richest man in babylon”. It looks at managing money in a broader context. It is an easy to read story like the wealthy barber (another excellent book).

[quote]randman wrote:
Massif wrote:
Index funds have there place, but not when the economic cycle is in its current place. Index funds are great when the economy has been depressed and is recovering.

Based on this advice, you’re back to timing the market even with index funds. It’s called dollar-cost averaging. Keep stashing money away month after month, year after year, in a broadly diversified portfolio made of mostly index funds and you will have a lot of money after 25 years.[/quote]

I’m aware of dollar cost averaging, and it is a good strategy. Another good strategy would be to not invest in the stock market when interest rates are low. A bull market has never started with low interest rates. About 80% of all capital appreciation in a bull market market is caused by P/E expansion, which typically occur when you have repeated cuts in interest rates.

As it is, the Fed is currently increasing rates only so they have something to cut again in the very near future when the shit hits the fan again.

Here’s a good old article I had in my email file:

This Time It’s Different?
No way. Don’t let the fear-mongerers fool you.

By James K. Glassman

“I am in a PANIC over this article, telling people to get out of
stocks,” said an impassioned e-mail I received last week from a nice,
intelligent professional woman who is a friend of a friend.

“Is he right??? I am 52 years old, and I really hope to retire SOME
day.”

What upset her can be gleaned from this excerpt from the CBS
MarketWatch website on March 24: “Listen closely: The next crash is coming. . . . It is coming! . . . Read my lips: The next crash is coming, and it could kill your retirement if you don’t start planning ahead now.”

The main point of the author, Paul B. Farrell, is that there will be
another big terrorist attack, which will not only kill lots of people but also have an adverse effect on stock prices. “The likely timing will coincide with a significant political event this year: the Fourth of July, a political convention, the 9/11 anniversary or the November presidential election.”

Farrell has other reasons for predicting a market collapse. He
approvingly cites Richard Russell, a newsletter editor, who recently predicted, “We are coming into one of the worst bear markets in history,” plus Robert Prechter, who expounds a weird theory about Fibonacci cycles and says bluntly: “Get out of stocks and funds and park all your money in Treasurys and money markets. Cash out insurance policies.”

I do not know Farrell, but I do not like him. He scared this nice woman

  • and probably many others. Farrell claims to have predicted the market
    peak in March 2000. Let’s accept that. Maybe he is a genius or is psychic.
    Still, he should be ignored.

Fear-mongers abound, as do stock touts and charlatans of all varieties.
What investors need is a context in which to judge their proclamations,
which are always made with the extreme confidence that the rest of us mortals
lack.

Context requires investor education, a buzz-phrase that was the subject of a
Senate hearing last week. My view is that investor education doesn’t need to
be complicated. It should be simple - and brief. If I were designing a
curriculum, the course would last for five days, with each session
running three hours. It would look like this:

Day 1. Lesson to learn: Your goals determine your investments.

To decide what to include in your portfolio (a process known as asset
allocation), you need to decide why you are investing. A strategy for retirement is different from a strategy to save enough to buy a house in two
years. Far-off goals (five years or more) require stocks. Medium-term
goals (one to five years) are more appropriate for bonds, which are loans you make to businesses and government agencies. And for short-term needs, stick to cash, meaning money-market funds, savings accounts, or certificates of deposit.

History shows that stocks return far more than bonds: an annual average
of about 10 percent, compared with a little over 5 percent for long-term
Treasury bonds. But stocks are more volatile. They lose money in one
out of every three or four years. Over the long term, however, that volatility
evens out. U.S. stocks have lost money in only one out of every 10
five-year periods, and they have been profitable in every fifteen-year stretch in history.

Day 2. Lesson to learn: Markets are (mostly) efficient.

The price of a stock reflects the considered judgment of millions
of investors who have their own hard-earned money at stake. These
investors use all available knowledge about a company, the economy, the political situation, the weather - you name it - to reach their conclusions about the “right” price for a stock today. From today’s perspective, a stock price moves in what economists call a “random walk,” that is, a completely unpredictable pattern.

Of course, as Warren Buffett points out, to say that markets are
efficient most of the time is not to say that markets are efficient all of the time. Sometimes stocks become expensive or cheap, and occasionally small investors can capitalize on such anomalies.

But it is a gigantic error of hubris to believe that you are smarter
than the market as a whole. This is the error that Paul B. Farrell commits.
He says, first, that an attack is coming. Well, so do most Americans.
They’vebelieved, for the past 2 years, that a terrorist attack was imminent
in the United States. The most recent survey I could find on the subject,
taken by the Harris Poll on Feb. 6, well before the Madrid bombing, found
that 62 percent of respondents believe “a major terrorist attack [is] likely” in the next 12 months.

When that many people expect a calamity, their expectations tend to be
reflected in the price of stocks - just as, for example, the price of Johnson & Johnson (JNJ) stock reflects the expectation that the company’s
dividend will rise in 2004, as it has for the previous 42 years in a
row.

In fact, you might argue that the belief that terrorists will strike
here has depressed stock prices severely since Sept. 11, 2001. At any rate, it’s hard to credit Farrell with a profitable insight if his view on
terrorism is shared by nearly two-thirds of the public. It is likely that such an attack is already “discounted” in stock prices. In other words, an attack may come, but that doesn’t mean that a stock market crash - or, more important to investors, a prolonged downturn - will result.

There are other conclusions to draw from the lesson of efficient
markets. One is that, as a long-term investor, you shouldn’t worry too much
about whether the stocks you pick are cheap or expensive. The market has
determined that their prices are “right” at any given moment. The
market may be wrong, but the default position is that it is correct.

Had a big winner lately? Don’t flatter yourself. It was probably just
luck. Searching for undervalued stocks is great sport, and you should never
deprive yourself of the pleasure, but it’s a mistake to believe you can
make brilliant selections with any consistency.

Day 3. Lesson to learn: Diversify for protection.

Own one stock, and you are vulnerable to disaster. Own 40 stocks in different sectors, and your portfolio is more likely to perform about the same as the market as a whole. It’s the same with bonds. Own a single corporate or municipal bond, and you could lose everything you have in a default. U.S. Treasurys won’t default, but owning just one, with a single maturity date, is also risky. A sharp rise in interest rates could leave you with a bond you will have to sell at a loss.

The easiest way to diversify with stocks is through mutual funds or
exchange-traded funds (ETFs, like mutual funds, are portfolios of
stocks,but ETFs are pegged to indexes and trade as though they were individual
companies).

Because stocks are efficient, smart investors are not outsmarters, but
partakers; instead of trying to beat the market, they join it. How? By
owning index funds like Vanguard Index 500 (VFINX), which reflects the
Standard & Poor’s 500-stock index, the largest listed U.S. companies,
which together account for more than four-fifths of the value of the entire
stockmarket.

But managed (or human-run) mutual funds can be an even better choice.
On Thursday, I used a screening tool on the Morningstar website
http://www.morningstar.com/ and specified that I wanted to find all
U.S.domestic-stock large-cap growth funds that had a manager with at least
afive-year tenure; required a minimum investment of no more than $2,000;
had turnover of 100 percent or less (that is, the average stock was held
for one year or more); had a rating of five stars (tops); and had beaten the
S&P over the past one-, three- and ten-year periods.

The computer spat out only two funds, and they are both terrific: Smith
Barney Aggressive Growth (SHRAX), managed by Richie Freeman since its
inception in 1983, and American Funds Growth Fund (AGTHX), run by a
six-person team with an average of twenty-eight years of experience.

Day 4. Lesson to learn: The little things count.

The little things, in this case, mount up, thanks to the power of
compounding over long periods. But the little things also include
taxes, inflation, and expenses. Gross returns mean nothing. The question is
how much you can put in your pocket at the end of the day. Here are the high
points:

Taxes: The recent cut in taxes on dividends to 15 percent means that
income-producing stocks can be much more profitable than bonds, whose
interest is still taxed at ordinary-income rates of as high as 35
percent. Also, remember that holding stocks for a year or more qualifies the
gains for a much lower tax rate.

Inflation: The rate today is below 2 percent, but the average for the
past thirty years has been 5 percent. At that pace, during a human lifetime,
the purchasing power of a dollar will diminish to about 3 cents. Inflation
is bad for nearly all investments. An exception is a new type of bond - Treasury Inflation-Protection Securities, or TIPS, introduced in 1997.

The value of these bonds rises with the consumer price index. Stocks do
better in inflationary times than conventional bonds, since companies can
raise their prices while bond yields (interest payments) are fixed.

Expenses: The average expenses that investors pay to mutual funds
amount to about 1.25 percent annually (not including the fund’s costs of buying and selling stocks, which can be another 0.3 percent or so). This may not sound like much, but, as the value of your holdings rises, the amount of
dollars you pay in expenses soars.

Assume an initial investment of $10,000 and an annual rate of return averaging 11 percent for thirty years. According
to a calculator I used on the Securities and Exchange Commission website <“http://www.sec.gov/”>, total expenses over that time for a fund that
charges 1.5 percent annually would come to $83,000; for a fund that charges
0.8 percent, $34,000. Among the 8,000 mutual funds on offer, expenses vary
widely, so pay attention.

Day 5. Lesson to learn: Know what you don’t know.

It’s your money, so it’s understandable that you worry about the many things
that can affect it. The lesson here is: Don’t.

The economy, for example, has its ups and downs, but over long periods

  • and, if you are a stock investor you should be investing only for long
    periods - the trajectory has been up. After each bear market, for
    instance, stocks move to a new, higher level.

“In the last 50 years,” writes Peter Lynch, the former manager of the
Fidelity Magellan fund and one of the greatest investors of all time,
“we have had many periods of economic prosperity and many periods of
uncertainty. Despite nine recessions, three wars, two Presidents shot
(one died and one survived), one President resigned, one impeached, and the Cuban Missile crisis [I would add a period of runaway inflation, a one-day crash that depleted the market by 22 percent and an attack that killed nearly 3,000 Americans], . . . stocks have been a great place to be.” Indeed,
stocks have doubled in purchasing power roughly every 10 years.

Farrell, after quoting Lynch, writes, “This time it is different.”
Those are the five most dangerous words for investors. We could be hit
by a meteor tomorrow. But the final lesson is that intelligent investors
don’t jeopardize their nest eggs by making such guesses.

Again, Peter Lynch:
“Betting against America was a bad bet in the past. It’ll be a bad bet in the future.”

Investing is hard, but it is not hard in the way that most people
think. Benjamin Graham, who was Buffett’s mentor, wrote more than sixty years ago, “The investor’s chief problem - even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself.” In addition, of course, there are a lot of people encouraging the investor to be his own worst enemy by making him panic.

In the end, the best qualities for investors are the same ones
Aristotle qdmired: moderation, common sense, restraint, modesty, and integrity.

Maybe, instead of five days of investor education, we should all sit
down and read five days’ worth of the ancient Greeks.

Just my take on the Rich Dad Poor Dad stuff…

The original book was one of the very first books of its nature that I ever read, and completely changed my take on a lot of things with regards to money. Not because it told me “how to do it”, but more because it emphasized a few important ideas for a young kid/investor…

  1. The whole assets vs. liabilities concept was good for me because young kids like to buy “stuff” when they start to get a little bit of money, and this book prevented it from happening to me.

  2. It turned me onto the real estate idea, which I haven’t progressed very far into yet, but I think sounds interesting.

Most of the other books in his series are crap, in my opinion, but the original put forth some sound principles. The Richest Man in Babylon would have accomplished the same thing, though, and I wouldn’t have spent any money on the other crap RDPD books.

Tucker

You should also start sooner. You’ll want to find out tax consequences, but you can only put $4K in an IRA per year, so you want to start that 4K before April 15 of 2006 to get this year’s contribution in. You’ll need to investigate the law on how this works when living overseas. Plus the “miracle of compounding” means starting 5 years earlier now could mean 10 years less before retiring.

I read the Fool as well.
Another great site:

Other books that have more to do with spending than investing:
Your Money or Your Life
The Millionaire Next Door

I recommend the Millionaire Next Door to everyone. Even if you don’t believe they are the “average” millionaire, it has great principles and previous to reading that book, everyone i knew that advocated “living below your means” acted like they were morally superior and better than me. But that book showed how you can do simple things like transfer money out of your account to invest on payday (so you never see it), don’t use credit or pay interest for cars & tvs and the like, etc. And you can become filthy rich and retire early. I read it every 6 months just to help keep myself committed to my goals.

The transferring money out to a money market or investment account on payday is great and probably the best tool I found, it’s also called “pay yourself first”. Because making & sticking to a budget is nearly impossible. Especially when your savings are in the same checking account as your spending money. But by transferring the money out right away on payday you never even miss it.

Once you start saving & investing more, it gets easier because each purchasing decision you make you realize “this $2K tv means 2 more months before I can retire” etc. and you’d rather watch your money grow than have the latest toys.

Indexing doesn’t just mean S&P 500, I have money in both small cap value index and large cap value index funds, and they are both doing very well in the current market. I guess I just got lucky I did not plan that - I just am partial to value investing. There are bond index funds as well, all sorts of indexes that track different markets.

[quote]Massif wrote:
I’m aware of dollar cost averaging, and it is a good strategy. Another good strategy would be to not invest in the stock market when interest rates are low. A bull market has never started with low interest rates. About 80% of all capital appreciation in a bull market market is caused by P/E expansion, which typically occur when you have repeated cuts in interest rates.
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I’m not going to claim to be a financial expert BUT I still think for a newbie the advice of dollar cost averaging is the more sure thing for long term returns in the stock market than predicating your investing strategy on historical macro trends and timing the market based on those trends.

Unless the stock market is going to buck trends from the beginning of its inception and end up with a total lower value 25 to 30 years from now, dollar cost averaging is not only a good strategy it is the most predictable strategy.

I’ve scanned/read many books/articles on extrapolating macro trends and investing your money based on those trends. Yet when you dollar cost average in a broadly diversified portfolio made up of low-fee index mutual funds, you’re going to beat the five year and ten year returns of over 75% of the so called financial expert’s portfolios in the market.

I guess this is why nobody manages my money but me. I’ll be a millionaire in the next 15 or so years and a multi-millionaire by the time I retire and I’m doing it the most unsexy way possible, dollar-cost averaging in a broadly diversified portfolio. I’m a tortoise, but I’ll be much richer than most hares out there trying to time and beat the market. Just my 2 cents.

If you are interested in slow growth and a conservative (traditional) approach to investing I would read “A Random Walk Guide to Invesing” by Burton G. Malkiel. It’s very straigh forward, simple and geared toward individual retirement, nest egg type investing. This is not a book for day-trader wannabes.

Everyone has mentioned great books on investing. Stick with those. Study Buffett and Lynch. I like the Rich Dad books, not because they teach you HOW to do it (because they don’t), but they will give a newbie the right attitude for investing and what to do with money. Investing is slow and boring, and you can’t make emotional decisions. If you have the right mind set and put together a financial plan, you’ll make fewer mistakes, but you will make mistakes! Even Lynch said for every five stocks he picked, one did outstanding, one tanked, and three went nowhere.

Some more good info – this is about rebalancing your portfolio yearly once you have decided on your asset allocation:

Balancing Act: Trying to Make Money
Whether the Market Goes Up or Down
July 28, 2004; Page D1

If you ask a stupid question, you will get a stupid answer. Today’s
stupid question: Which way is the market headed next?

Sure, we all want to know if stocks are breaking out of their recent
funk and whether bond yields will rise or fall. Problem is, this
crystal-ball gazing is a colossal waste of time.

It isn’t simply that the pundits – professional and amateur – often
get it wrong. More important, the whole exercise is totally unnecessary.
The reality is, you don’t need to guess the market’s direction in order
to profit from shifting valuations. Instead, all it takes is a little
self-discipline. Intrigued? Bear with me while I explain.

Guessing games. No, I am not arguing that you should ignore stock and
bond valuations. In fact, I think it’s important to have some sense for
whether the market is expensive or cheap, because that has a big impact
on long-run returns.

And right now, current valuations suggest returns will be modest. A mix
of high-quality bonds might yield a paltry 5%. That’s a good indicator
of bond returns for the decade ahead.

Meanwhile, to get a handle on stock returns, you need to consider both
earnings and dividends. If inflation runs at 2?% and corporate America
does a decent job during the next decade, we might get 5?% annual
growth in earnings per share. Tack on an extra 1?% for dividends, and we are
looking at 7% annual stock returns.

This 7% assumes stocks hang in there at their current 21 times earnings
for the past 12 months. If price/earnings multiples contract, returns
could be a lot lower. Either way, performance isn’t going to be great,
so you probably ought to save aggressively to compensate.

This long-term forecast, of course, shouldn’t be confused with a
short-term market prediction. Nobody knows how stocks and bonds will fare
during the weeks and months ahead. Which brings me to a recent, humbling
experience.

On April 21, I opined
http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB108249549028688342,00.html?mod=article-outset-box,
“I don’t think this is the moment to load up on real-estate investment
trusts.” The article focused on valuations among equity REITs, which
make their money by buying and then renting out shopping malls,
apartments, office buildings and other properties. With equity-REIT yields close
to their all-time low, I argued that REITs were unlikely to deliver
decent long-run gains.

I still think REITs are expensive, and I still think I am right about
the long term. But I sure haven’t been right so far. Since the article
appeared, equity REITs have jumped 8%. Painful? It only hurts when I
write.

Goosing returns. So if you cannot forecast the market’s short-term
direction, what should you do? My advice: Forget trying to predict the
unpredictable – and instead take advantage of this unpredictability. And
the way you do that is with rebalancing.

Start by setting target percentages for your various holdings. You
might settle on a mix of, say, 5% money-market funds, 10% high-quality
corporate bonds, 10% inflation-indexed Treasury bonds, 5% high-yield junk
bonds, 30% large-company U.S. stocks, 15% small-company stocks, 5%
real-estate investment trusts, 15% developed-foreign-market stocks and 5%
emerging-market stocks.

Once you have built your desired portfolio, you should then rebalance
once a year to bring your investment mix back into line with your target
percentages. Suppose you allocated 5% to REITs and the sector continues
to soar. When you next rebalance, you would want to prune your REITs
back to 5%.

In your retirement account, you can rebalance by shifting money out of
winning sectors and into the losers. But in your taxable account, this
sort of trading is a bad idea, because you could trigger hefty tax
bills. Instead, to keep your taxable account in balance, funnel your
dividends, interest and any new savings into your portfolio’s underweighted
sectors.

What’s the point of all this? The principal goal is risk control. By
scaling back winners, you ensure your portfolio doesn’t become
dangerously overweighted in any one sector.

But as an added bonus, rebalancing offers a disciplined strategy for
making money from market gyrations. The reason: It forces you to buy into
depressed sectors that may be due for a rebound, while lightening up on
highflying sectors that could be set to tumble.

“Rebalancing is just a nice reliable way of betting against the noise
and betting on mean reversion,” says William Bernstein, an investment
adviser in North Bend, Ore.

The impact on your portfolio’s performance will vary. For instance,
rebalancing between stocks and bonds is great for risk control, but it may
not boost your long-run returns, because you will usually be forced to
sell stocks, thus cutting back on your portfolio’s best-performing
investment.

On the other hand, you can garner a sizable performance bonus by
rebalancing among a collection of stock-market sectors that generate fairly
similar long-run returns. For proof, consider some numbers from T. Rowe
Price Group
http://online.wsj.com/mds/companyresearch-quote.cgi?route=BOEH&template=company-research&ambiguous-purchase-template=company-research-symbol-ambiguity&profile-name=Portfolio1&profile-version=3.0&profile-type=Portfolio&profile-format-action=include&profile-read-action=skip-read&profile-write-action=skip-write&transform-value-quote-search=TROW&transform-name-quote-search=nvp-set-p-sym&nvp-companion-p-type=djn&q-match=stem?ion=quote&profile-end=Portfolio&p-headline=wsjie
Inc., the Baltimore mutual-fund manager. I asked the folks there to
calculate the return on a portfolio with 50% U.S. stocks, 25% foreign
shares and 25% REITs.

If you had invested $10,000 in that portfolio 30 years ago and never
rebalanced, you would have accumulated $347,000 by year-end 2003. But if
you had rebalanced back to your 50-25-25 mix once a year, you would
have amassed $390,000. And here’s the impressive part: To pocket that
extra $43,000, you didn’t once have to guess the market’s direction.

Really great stuff.

Thank you to everyone.