[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
JohnnyBlaze wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Chewie wrote:
I do not understand the praise of the His Dark Materials trilogy.
I’m not trying to make this into a religious debate, but those books are very offensive to the religious (especially Catholics).
I am not familiar at all with this. Would you care to elaborate?
I think a couple of the main things are that in the books, each person is guided by a “daemon” which is a part of them. The religious would think it is demonic.
Also, in the story there is a knife called Aesettr, or the God Killer, which is the only knife capable of “killing God”. There is a faction of rebel angels out to kill the one sitting in the highest throne, who is an ancient angel called Metatron.
So the “God being killed” in the novel is an angel who has been sitting in the throne calling himself God - so Christians should be cheering to see an impostor outed from that position just like Lucifer was in the first rebellion.
The story involves parallel universes, travelling between them, and so forth, by cutting a hole in the fabric of reality with this knife.
I did not find the stories offensive; they are just fantasy and meant to be taken as such. I still can’t bring myself to pronounce ‘daemon’ as demon though, because of my own religious upbringing - I still say “daimon”.
Pretty much anything offends the religious anyway. Harry Potter offends the religious. Lord of the Rings offends them. Rock and Roll offends them…nudity offends them…anything from another religion or even another sect within the same religion offends them…
you’re a strange fellow. While on one hand you do not find the stories religiously offensive, you cannot say demon because it irritates you.
Anyway, if Fantasy is concerned, it’s good to hear that the superb “Song of Ice and Fire” will very likely be produced by HBO as a miniseries (one season per book).
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Personally, I think daemon should be pronounced the way it is spelled, and also adding to that, the fact that the word “demon” has long-standing negative connotations, regardless of religious stance.
The idea of each person having their personal daemon came from Socrates, who said that he had one that guided him. “The favor of the gods,” said Socrates, “has given me a marvelous gift, which has never left me since my childhood. It is a voice which, when it makes itself heard, deters me from what I am about to do and never urges me on.” He spoke familiarly of this daimon, joked about it and obeyed blindly the indications it gave.
Plato thinks that a kind of spirit, which is separate from us, receives man at his birth, and follows him in life and after death. He calls it “the daimon which has received us as its portionment.” The ancient idea of the daimon seems, therefore, to be analogous to the guardian angel of Christians.
There is also an idea that possibly the daimon is nothing but the higher part of man’s spirit, that which is separated from the human element.
So it is different to “demon”, as a demon is an external, evil supernatural being malevolent to man, while a daimon is an internal guiding principle that is part of man himself.
So therefore the pronunciations may confuse people.
Anyway, I have heard that the movie is largely going to be censored, with most of the considered offensive religious ideas removed. Kind of like His Dark Materials, the Lite version.