[quote]3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
Putin is tough and decisive. Bush is a pathetic vagina.[/quote]
Putin is tough and you need to be tough to deal with someone like that. That’s why Putin never gave Bush a two hour lecture on the history of the cold war like he did to Obama. Bush would not have sat there and put up with some bullshit like that.
Putin gave Obama a serious reality check and Barry didn’t know how to deal with it.
Idealistically, yes. Iran deserves to be bombed off the face of the earth.
Practically, no. We can’t afford to start a nuclear war with the entire Muslim world right now.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
I knew it would upset some of you that’s why I wrote it, to stir things up. Seriously though, Bush ordered the invasion of two countries. There is an old saying that you should learn that goes like this, “actions speak louder than words”.
Invading two of Irans neighbors was an action that the Iranians took notice of. There was a time where the Iranians thought they were going to be next. That was when they were the most willing to negotiate. This was because they were afraid of what Bush would do next.
During that period of time the threat of military action by the US had great credibility because bush had twice demonstrated what he was capable of.
When Pelosi became speaker of the House one of her very first statements was we are not going to allow Bush to attack Iran. With that stupid public statement she seriously undermined Bush’s ability to use coercion on the Iranians as part of the negotiation process. [/quote]
Ok, so now all you’ve done is make the case for Iran to pursue nuclear weapons at a fairly furious pace. Same with North Korea, they were part of that “axis of evil” too. When you believe that the stupid mother fucker in charge of the most powerful military in the world might decide to invade you any day, the first thing you do is get as much fire power as you can behind you. Nuclear weapons have been the primary deterrent against attack for a half century now, why shouldn’t any country that faces a legitimate threat not have access to that deterrent for themselves? “Because we said you’re the bad guys so you can’t have them” doesn’t carry very much weight when almost every other country in the vicinity has them already.
[quote]tme wrote:
Sifu wrote:
I knew it would upset some of you that’s why I wrote it, to stir things up. Seriously though, Bush ordered the invasion of two countries. There is an old saying that you should learn that goes like this, “actions speak louder than words”.
Invading two of Irans neighbors was an action that the Iranians took notice of. There was a time where the Iranians thought they were going to be next. That was when they were the most willing to negotiate. This was because they were afraid of what Bush would do next.
During that period of time the threat of military action by the US had great credibility because bush had twice demonstrated what he was capable of.
When Pelosi became speaker of the House one of her very first statements was we are not going to allow Bush to attack Iran. With that stupid public statement she seriously undermined Bush’s ability to use coercion on the Iranians as part of the negotiation process.
Ok, so now all you’ve done is make the case for Iran to pursue nuclear weapons at a fairly furious pace. Same with North Korea, they were part of that “axis of evil” too. When you believe that the stupid mother fucker in charge of the most powerful military in the world might decide to invade you any day, the first thing you do is get as much fire power as you can behind you. Nuclear weapons have been the primary deterrent against attack for a half century now, why shouldn’t any country that faces a legitimate threat not have access to that deterrent for themselves? “Because we said you’re the bad guys so you can’t have them” doesn’t carry very much weight when almost every other country in the vicinity has them already.
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I have news for you, the North Koreans already have nuclear weapons. They have conducted two successful tests. The Iranians and Koreans have been working on their nuclear programs since before Clinton was president.
Bush is gone. Obama pleaded with them to unclench their fist and what did the Iranians do?They are adding centrifuges and testing nuclear capable missiles.
[quote]belligerent wrote:
Idealistically, yes. Iran deserves to be bombed off the face of the earth.
Practically, no. We can’t afford to start a nuclear war with the entire Muslim world right now.
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Why would we want to bomb the Iranian people when a substantial portion of them have demonstrated that they don’t want their present leadership and it is unneccessary?
Why would we need to start a nuclear war? All we need to do is take out a few key choke points which can be done with conventional weapons.
I say no.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
Putin is tough and decisive. Bush is a pathetic vagina.
Putin is tough and you need to be tough to deal with someone like that. That’s why Putin never gave Bush a two hour lecture on the history of the cold war like he did to Obama. Bush would not have sat there and put up with some bullshit like that.
Putin gave Obama a serious reality check and Barry didn’t know how to deal with it. [/quote]
Bush simply didn’t have the attention span to listen to a two hour anything. But you’re right, hearing the Russian view of history would be bad. Better for Bush to just stick with what he already knowed from high school history. And yes, listening to Putin makes Obama a big pussy.
How bout we divert some of the funds we send to Israel every year toward a covert, military run coup d’etat in Iran, allowing the pro-democracy young people to take charge of their own country?
Or will the Jews not be willing to part with their money for a greater cause?
[quote]Dustin wrote:
This article cites our own intelligence communities. This was also reported back in August of this year.
Iran Nuclear Capability After 2013, Says US Intelligence - Antiwar.com Original [/quote]
2013…
[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
How bout we divert some of the funds we send to Israel every year toward a covert, military run coup d’etat in Iran, allowing the pro-democracy young people to take charge of their own country?
Or will the Jews not be willing to part with their money for a greater cause?[/quote]
Ya, we’ve never tried THAT before… Real student of history you are…
[quote]tme wrote:
Sifu wrote:
3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
Putin is tough and decisive. Bush is a pathetic vagina.
Putin is tough and you need to be tough to deal with someone like that. That’s why Putin never gave Bush a two hour lecture on the history of the cold war like he did to Obama. Bush would not have sat there and put up with some bullshit like that.
Putin gave Obama a serious reality check and Barry didn’t know how to deal with it.
Bush simply didn’t have the attention span to listen to a two hour anything. But you’re right, hearing the Russian view of history would be bad. Better for Bush to just stick with what he already knowed from high school history. And yes, listening to Putin makes Obama a big pussy.
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Remember sarcasm doesn’t work well over the internet.
[quote]Valor wrote:
PonceDeLeon wrote:
How bout we divert some of the funds we send to Israel every year toward a covert, military run coup d’etat in Iran, allowing the pro-democracy young people to take charge of their own country?
Or will the Jews not be willing to part with their money for a greater cause?
Ya, we’ve never tried THAT before… Real student of history you are…[/quote]
Hey, dummy, do you think it would be CHEAPER than starting a war that we can’t afford?
You think every war we’ve started or every time we’ve bombed a country that we’ve been able to induce the changes we were after?
Real student of history you are.
I say we all just get the fuck out of all the countries we are in and mind our own business. I am not talking about the usual, and that’ll show them attitude. I am talking about leaving everyone over there alone and we’ll go sit on our block and when they try to come onto our block we can pull out our fucking shot guns and rifles and pick them off one at a time. I would just love to sit up behind a tree and shot some mother fuckers that tried to fuck with my state.
I agree with this. Our nation is not even capable of enforcing its own laws, how the fuck are we going to dictate to other nations across the world? We start more problems with this shit than we benefit.
It kind of reminds me of one of my wierd community college nights, where I ended up hanging out with the lowest fucking white trash whores I’ve ever met in my life. Anyways, this girl was walking into her apt complex and she sees some wigger walking out and shes like “This guy is a serious shit disturber, I can just tell, he better not try to come knock at my door in the middle of the night.” I sensed fear in her voice, after hanging out with her and using recreational drugs, I noticed that she was very fearful, and in fact, had been raped before.
I told her like, “You know you could probably avoid alot of these fucked up dudes in your life, by just more or less ignoring people unless you have some real reason to interact. I mean, just telling some dude ‘hes a shit disturber,’ in itself is a sort of agitation, its a dick comment, he doesn’t even know you.”
She didn’t understand this, or want to understand.
This is kind of how I see America’s current issue. We’ve got a bunch of established retirement age people who have nothing better to do than be paranoid, trying to enmity our way into bullying all these countries worldwide, as if that is going to prevent war and aggression.
Really all this shit does is exacerbate it. You ever heard of international terrorists who want to FUCK UP BRAZIL or ARGENTINA?! Not really. Because those countries are wrapped in their own issues and don’t try to invest in all sorts of events alien to them.
No international terrorists want to FUCK UP BRAZIL or ARGENTINA, hun?
Read this:
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
No international terrorists want to FUCK UP BRAZIL or ARGENTINA, hun?
Read this:
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-90402185.html [/quote]
They bombed a bunch of JEWISH people, and, the Argentine closet Muslim President, Menem, got paid to let them/help them do that.
No blowing up Argentine embassies worldwide, that was a pure inside job against the Jewish population of Argentina by their Muslim leader. Not unlike our own closet Muslim leader.
Link?
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Link?[/quote]
For what?
It says in your very article they paid Menem to do it.
Wiki Menem, he was Muslim until he was like 25. His parents were from Syria, Ottoman Empire.
Anyone who knows aboutt he bombing in Buenos Aires, knows it hit osme somme Jewish shyt, I believe it was a Jewish Community Center. It was directed at the Israeli/Argentine population.
The ppl had Argentine citizenship, many at least, but it wasn’t an assault on the Argentine nationality, rather the Jewish population of the country.
I’m not saying I endorse that, but it was no USS Cole type bombing, or 9/11 attack.
Internal terrorism within Argentina oftens targets Jewish population, wiki Tacuara.
I’m not saying it’s right, but in general, Jews aren’t really considered a part of our society by many Latin America. They marry amongst eachother, send their money back to Israel, and try not do business outside of their group.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091018/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_iran_bombing
Iran got bombed by an al-Qaeda backed Sunni group.