Boats

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
apwsearch wrote:
BTW, DO NOT buy a new boat.

Unless you like losing $$$$$.

Although I love both boats and fishing, my old man always said that boats are a “huge hole in the water that you throw money into”.

That, and that old joke about how the two happiest days with a boat are the day you buy it and the day you sell it…

Either way, good luck guys. I’d love to have one one day[/quote]

It’s true that boats are money pits, but, FightenIrish, you don’t give a reason not to buy new. My first boat was used and that was a huge mistake. I inherited every previous owners’ mistakes and lack of maintenance. My second boat is brand new and now I can keep a log. Same thing goes for a car. I will never buy a used car again.

To the OP, a few quality boats in my opinion are, of course Skeeter, Nitro, Triton and Champion. Yamaha and Mercury motors rule the boat world right now and I don’t think you can go wrong with either. 4 stroke is my choice due to emmissions and fuel economy.

Good luck!

[quote]MaloVerde wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
apwsearch wrote:
BTW, DO NOT buy a new boat.

Unless you like losing $$$$$.

Although I love both boats and fishing, my old man always said that boats are a “huge hole in the water that you throw money into”.

That, and that old joke about how the two happiest days with a boat are the day you buy it and the day you sell it…

Either way, good luck guys. I’d love to have one one day

It’s true that boats are money pits, but, FightenIrish, you don’t give a reason not to buy new. My first boat was used and that was a huge mistake. I inherited every previous owners’ mistakes and lack of maintenance. My second boat is brand new and now I can keep a log. Same thing goes for a car. I will never buy a used car again.

To the OP, a few quality boats in my opinion are, of course Skeeter, Nitro, Triton and Champion. Yamaha and Mercury motors rule the boat world right now and I don’t think you can go wrong with either. 4 stroke is my choice due to emmissions and fuel economy.

Good luck!
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It sounds like you had a bad buying experience, and that happens.

Boats and RV’s are much different animals in terms of resale. Comparing them to a car is not even close.

Basically, a boat is worth what someone will pay you for it. That’s it.

NADA values are all but meaningless. Buying a current model year at close to retail is something most people only do once b/c two seasons later they want something else and get absolutely killed on the spread.

Compounding this problem are boat shows and the fact that dealers typically have holdovers from the previous model year which end up on the lot in the Spring pretty significantly discounted. So, the price you may be asking for your 2 year old boat, that you are sure it is worth, may not be much less than a brand new previous model year, or the price you can negotiate at a show if you are patient. Who’s gonna buy it?

Additionally, unlike an automobile where I want a Mercedes and there are very few other cars that are comparable, in the world of boats, there are tons of options. Unless someone is dying to have the make and model you currently possess, or in other words, are buying on emotion, their options are almost limitless.

Additionally, it is very easy, IMO, to determine if a boat has been kept up well. They either have it serviced regularly by a marina and have paperwork, or you engage in a two minute converstaion with them to determine how much they understand about the boat and required upkeep. For example, if the current owner doesn’t know what the lower unit is, and handled maintenance themselves, you have a problem. Condition of fluids is very easy to determine and can tell a lot about upkeep. A couple simple questions could have saved you a ton of trouble.

My formula for buying a boat is I basically troll around for suckers who bought a brand new boat 2-3 years ago, hardly used it, and now need to get out from under it for what ever reason.

I show up with a pocket full of cash and basically lowball the shit out of them. I then usually end up leaving, but leave my phone number in case they change their mind. Approximately 30% will call you back within 3-5 days to renegotiate. If I get them to a price I am comfortable with, I buy it.

The lure of being able to finance a boat over 10-15 years leads to some pretty bad decisions, IMO.

I would never buy a boat I could not pay for outright. Having payments on something seasonal is retarded, IMO.

The 11M RIBs are actually RHIBs, rigid glass hull with an inflatable sponson wrapped around the top of the hull. Because we are NSW, some of the guys swear that they are RIBs, and not RHIBs. Tomato, tomato, but they are the same thing…a rigid fiberglass V-hull with an inflatable ‘bumper’, so to speak. So, yeah, they ride quite a bit different than your Zodiac dinghy;)

[quote]boatguy wrote:
The 11M RIBs are actually RHIBs, rigid glass hull with an inflatable sponson wrapped around the top of the hull. Because we are NSW, some of the guys swear that they are RIBs, and not RHIBs. Tomato, tomato, but they are the same thing…a rigid fiberglass V-hull with an inflatable ‘bumper’, so to speak. So, yeah, they ride quite a bit different than your Zodiac dinghy;)
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Thats what it is she drives, an RHI.

I wasn’t comparing, I just won’t buy used.

[quote]My formula for buying a boat is I basically troll around for suckers who bought a brand new boat 2-3 years ago, hardly used it, and now need to get out from under it for what ever reason.

I show up with a pocket full of cash and basically lowball the shit out of them. I then usually end up leaving, but leave my phone number in case they change their mind. Approximately 30% will call you back within 3-5 days to renegotiate. If I get them to a price I am comfortable with, I buy it.[/quote]

How many boats have you bought using this method. And in cash? My name isn’t Rockafeller(sp?). I have to save for my goodies.

I did pay for my boat outright, but where I live, I use it all year long.

To each their own. I hope everyone on this thread isn’t insulted that you think they’re retarded if they financed.

[quote]apwsearch wrote:
The first thing I would want to find out is who is making the hull for Yamaha?

I can almost guarantee you Yamaha are not the ones making it.

Couple questions.

Will you be trailering or docking? If docking, dry or wet? I see you are in MI, so I assume you will be on the Great Lakes, or do you intend to use it on inland waters?

What is the main thing you think the boat will be used for?[/quote]

I was told today that the hull is made by Yamaha.

[quote]MaloVerde wrote:
Boats and RV’s are much different animals in terms of resale. Comparing them to a car is not even close.

I wasn’t comparing, I just won’t buy used.

My formula for buying a boat is I basically troll around for suckers who bought a brand new boat 2-3 years ago, hardly used it, and now need to get out from under it for what ever reason.

I show up with a pocket full of cash and basically lowball the shit out of them. I then usually end up leaving, but leave my phone number in case they change their mind. Approximately 30% will call you back within 3-5 days to renegotiate. If I get them to a price I am comfortable with, I buy it.

How many boats have you bought using this method. And in cash? My name isn’t Rockafeller(sp?). I have to save for my goodies.

I would never buy a boat I could not pay for outright. Having payments on something seasonal is retarded, IMO.

I did pay for my boat outright, but where I live, I use it all year long.

To each their own. I hope everyone on this thread isn’t insulted that you think they’re retarded if they financed.

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I suspect you have not bought/don’t own very many cars or boats and this is why you feel this way. In particular if you are pointing out to me that you are not a Rockefeller.

I have bought every boat I have ever owned this way. Additionally, I have not bought a new car in 7 years, yet my wife and I both drive very nice vehicles, and I usually end using them for @ 2 years and selling them for close to what I bought them for.

I really don’t care if anybody is insulted by what I wrote. That’s the way I feel.

[quote]trailrash wrote:
apwsearch wrote:
The first thing I would want to find out is who is making the hull for Yamaha?

I can almost guarantee you Yamaha are not the ones making it.

Couple questions.

Will you be trailering or docking? If docking, dry or wet? I see you are in MI, so I assume you will be on the Great Lakes, or do you intend to use it on inland waters?

What is the main thing you think the boat will be used for?

I was told today that the hull is made by Yamaha.

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I am really struggling with that. Let me make a phone call on Monday.

I will PM you if I find out anything to the contrary.

[quote]apwsearch wrote:
trailrash wrote:
apwsearch wrote:
The first thing I would want to find out is who is making the hull for Yamaha?

I can almost guarantee you Yamaha are not the ones making it.

Couple questions.

Will you be trailering or docking? If docking, dry or wet? I see you are in MI, so I assume you will be on the Great Lakes, or do you intend to use it on inland waters?

What is the main thing you think the boat will be used for?

I was told today that the hull is made by Yamaha.

I am really struggling with that. Let me make a phone call on Monday.

I will PM you if I find out anything to the contrary.[/quote]

Thanks man. If I find out to the contrary I know what dealer I wont be buying the boat from.

[quote]apwsearch wrote:
MaloVerde wrote:
Boats and RV’s are much different animals in terms of resale. Comparing them to a car is not even close.

I wasn’t comparing, I just won’t buy used.

My formula for buying a boat is I basically troll around for suckers who bought a brand new boat 2-3 years ago, hardly used it, and now need to get out from under it for what ever reason.

I show up with a pocket full of cash and basically lowball the shit out of them. I then usually end up leaving, but leave my phone number in case they change their mind. Approximately 30% will call you back within 3-5 days to renegotiate. If I get them to a price I am comfortable with, I buy it.

How many boats have you bought using this method. And in cash? My name isn’t Rockafeller(sp?). I have to save for my goodies.

I would never buy a boat I could not pay for outright. Having payments on something seasonal is retarded, IMO.

I did pay for my boat outright, but where I live, I use it all year long.

To each their own. I hope everyone on this thread isn’t insulted that you think they’re retarded if they financed.

I suspect you have not bought/don’t own very many cars or boats and this is why you feel this way. In particular if you are pointing out to me that you are not a Rockefeller.

I have bought every boat I have ever owned this way. Additionally, I have not bought a new car in 7 years, yet my wife and I both drive very nice vehicles, and I usually end using them for @ 2 years and selling them for close to what I bought them for.

I really don’t care if anybody is insulted by what I wrote. That’s the way I feel.
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2002 Ford F-250, 2003 Honda Accord, 2005 Honda VTX, 2006 Skeeter SL190. That’s all I’ve got, all bought new, but they weren’t my first. Prior to what I have now with the exception of one, everything else I have owned previous was used. I like new. Nobody to blame if something goes wrong, except for me, or my wife who seems to wear out brakes really fast.

To the OP, sorry for the sidebar bitch session and jacking your thread.

I also have never heard of Yamaha making hulls for boats. Great engines though.

[quote]MaloVerde wrote:
apwsearch wrote:
MaloVerde wrote:
Boats and RV’s are much different animals in terms of resale. Comparing them to a car is not even close.

I wasn’t comparing, I just won’t buy used.

My formula for buying a boat is I basically troll around for suckers who bought a brand new boat 2-3 years ago, hardly used it, and now need to get out from under it for what ever reason.

I show up with a pocket full of cash and basically lowball the shit out of them. I then usually end up leaving, but leave my phone number in case they change their mind. Approximately 30% will call you back within 3-5 days to renegotiate. If I get them to a price I am comfortable with, I buy it.

How many boats have you bought using this method. And in cash? My name isn’t Rockafeller(sp?). I have to save for my goodies.

I would never buy a boat I could not pay for outright. Having payments on something seasonal is retarded, IMO.

I did pay for my boat outright, but where I live, I use it all year long.

To each their own. I hope everyone on this thread isn’t insulted that you think they’re retarded if they financed.

I suspect you have not bought/don’t own very many cars or boats and this is why you feel this way. In particular if you are pointing out to me that you are not a Rockefeller.

I have bought every boat I have ever owned this way. Additionally, I have not bought a new car in 7 years, yet my wife and I both drive very nice vehicles, and I usually end using them for @ 2 years and selling them for close to what I bought them for.

I really don’t care if anybody is insulted by what I wrote. That’s the way I feel.

2002 Ford F-250, 2003 Honda Accord, 2005 Honda VTX, 2006 Skeeter SL190. That’s all I’ve got, all bought new, but they weren’t my first. Prior to what I have now with the exception of one, everything else I have owned previous was used. I like new. Nobody to blame if something goes wrong, except for me, or my wife who seems to wear out brakes really fast.

To the OP, sorry for the sidebar bitch session and jacking your thread.

I also have never heard of Yamaha making hulls for boats. Great engines though.

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Hey dude, you’re the one who wanted an explanation of the statement against buying new.

I feel like I gave a pretty reasonable answer. My whole strategy is to drive down my cost of ownership.

If you don’t like it, that’s just going to have to be your problem.

Let me know when you are ready to sell that boat. heh.

OK, that’s pretty funny. I’ll let you know. Just give me a good deal for my own boat, if you will.

Later.