Just change one variable at a time. Remove the hcg, leave other components the same for two weeks. After two weeks get follow up labs. Repost labs after two weeks along with how you’ve been feeling to reasses if more changes need to be made. I’ve injected once per week, twice per week, every 3.5 days and eod. Your current setup right now is likely fine. I’ve been seeing more and more men who just seem to respond really badly to hcg for some reason.
If after two weeks your e needs microdosing, then you can look into dissolving on vodka and using a dropper. That is what I do as well. I wouldn’t go m, w, f. I would either go every 3.5 days or every other day personally.
@KSman @systemlord @Hostile I injected yesterday afternoon (Wed.) I did .35mg T-Cyp NO HCG, and .5mg anastrazole. I am totally bloat free so far. The only thing is last night I was definitely feeling a rush…little heart racing, not palpitations just could feel it, almost like amped up on amphetamines. Just wondering @KSman’s recommendation I may be taking too much T-Cyp since my SHBG is around 19. Wondering if I should back off to .25mg?
You don’t make a move without labs, at least not this early in the game. Perhaps in the future when your further along you’ll learn to recognise say for instance E2 is low or high. I’ve experience both so I know the difference, I like to use labs only once I feel good, then order labs.
I can get away with this because I’ve been playing this TRT game for a year. It sounds like E2 is still elevated, I’m in the process of coming down from slightly high E2 and your descriptions little elevated heart rate sounds spot on to my own.
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I wouldn’t make any additional changes until 2 weeks without hcg and until more labs are done.
How many hours had passed between injection + AI and heart racing? Has that ever happened before? Some people’s circadian rhythms are out of wack with their cortisol spiking near bed time. Often happens when I over train or have a stressful day.
I would say about 3 hours. Haven’t really noticed it with other injections. I am a principal…always stressful LOL
Could be the anastrazole. Blood serum levels peak after 2 hours when taken on an empty stomach. “Stable” e2 levels take weeks to obtain however.
I still wouldn’t change anything until 2 weeks no hcg and after you get blood work done again to verify.
OK if you have been following
@KSman @Hostile @systemlord Just to update everyone had my 2nd months labs drawn today, along with a visit with the PA, when I get those results I will post them. These are the first labs before my trouble began.
I have since eliminated the HCG and have basically had the very painful cramping go away. SO I think it is safe to say HCG is not for me. I have been doing 1 month of .35 mg of T-Cyp Sun/Wed protocol, I also have went from .25mg anastrazole with injections to .50 mg anastrazole with injections.
My concerns are, as I told my PA, even though the numbers show low E2 my breast are sensitive, putting on weight, bloated, blood pressure up slightly, ring finger swells, when I wear dress sock to work they leave a mark, don’t have that great libido and drive I was having. Anyway he said sounds like high E2 levels so we upped my anastrazole to 1mg with each injection. He told me some guys E2 numbers don’t match with symptoms. So I guess I will see how things go with the new anastrazole dosage.
I have noticed my SHBG is even lower now, my FSH is now lower and my LH is lower and testosterone is 938…I think that is too high and with my low SHBG I simply am not able to use all that T and it is converting it to E2, looking forward to everyones thoughts. Gotta get this dialed in…
You’re a low SHBG guy like myself, we have a lot of free hormones to deal with as our free T and free E2 are higher so an E2 of 20 pg/ml could be deceiving. Low SHBG guys need to pay close attention to free hormones.
LH is supposed to be zero as HPTA is shut down, totally normal. FSH is needed for sperm production. Your Total T is too high, you need to shoot for middleranges to bring free hormones down. You need to bring free T down to 2-3 % which is considered normal. Guys who end up outside the 2-3% have issues.
Your free T numbers
Free Testosterone 32.3 ng/dL = 3.45 %
Bioavailable Testosterone 758 ng/dL = 80.8 %
So @systemlord thoughts on my A1 dosage?
I think your AI is too high now. Low E is much worse than high. I think with the hcg eliminated, you’re going to crush your estrogen.
I eliminated the HCG @Hostile for a month now. I will see today I should get lab results back to see where things stand. I still agree with @systemlord my Bioavailable Testosterone needs to be 758 or even slightly lower with SHGB being so low. I am going to see what numbers turn up from blood work on Wednesday. IF Testosterone is still in the 900+ I am going to cut T down to .25mg E3D. I think if I do that I am going to go with .5mg of anastrazole E3D I too am afraid the 1mg of anastrazole E3D my lower my E2 too much. Thoughts from you guys?
I will say I inject Wed late afternoon and took 1mg of anastrazole and I feel much, much better.
You’re likely coasting through a sweet spot and will crash your e2 in a week or two. I’ve been through that before where I feel great on the short term and then wonder what went wrong after feeling like hell a few weeks later. Anastrozole blocks conversion from t to e. Lowering E takes time and doesn’t happen acutely since E levels are a function of t to e aromatization and liver clearance rates of estrogen (some is also metabolized in our gut). If you start to feel awful again in a week or two, it’s because you bottomed out your estrogen. I think 2 mg per week is nutty based on your T dose and recent lab work. I can’t stress enough that bottomed out estrogen is quite an awful feeling. Id error on the side of caution.
SO maybe go .5 mg E3D? @hostile
I think that’s safer. I think that could still be too high without hcg. You may not need an AI with a reduced T dose. Your e is going to be under control with that large 1 mg dose for a week or two. What is your T dose in mgs you’re injecting twice per week?
It is currently .35mg E3D
0.35 mg? Do you mean 35 mg? Are you confusing mgs with mls?
I inject 70 mg of T-Cyp E3D…for 140 mg per week total.
Got it. Id drop it to 50mg of t twice per week and .25 mg anastrozole at the time of injection and get labs done again after a month on that protocol.
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@Hostile I didn’t take my anastrazole today…is that ok you said my 1mg on Wednesday should last a week or more?
