[quote]Blacksnake wrote:
No problem with the Koran, anti-Negritude is explicitly written in [/quote]
I, for one, would be very interested in knowing which part of the Quran you are referring to. It’s probably of little relevance to the thread’s topic, but do share.
For now, and based on your comment, I’ll just assume you have never read the book.
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
The widespread distribution of antibiotics in third-world (even first world) nations has enabled countless millions of individuals who would otherwise have perished before reaching maturity to live out their full lifespans in hopeless poverty and utter despair.
This is humane? I don’t think so.
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Yes, dying from a bacterial infection is much more humane.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:
The widespread distribution of antibiotics in third-world (even first world) nations has enabled countless millions of individuals who would otherwise have perished before reaching maturity to live out their full lifespans in hopeless poverty and utter despair.
This is humane? I don’t think so.
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Yes, dying from a bacterial infection is much more humane.[/quote]
I would much rather die from a bacterial infection.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:
The widespread distribution of antibiotics in third-world (even first world) nations has enabled countless millions of individuals who would otherwise have perished before reaching maturity to live out their full lifespans in hopeless poverty and utter despair.
This is humane? I don’t think so.
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Yes, dying from a bacterial infection is much more humane.[/quote]
This would be easier to answer if someone had died and lived to tell about it. Just give it a few more years, and these questions will sort themselves out.
For my part, I’m convinced that death is not such a big fucking deal. What is a big deal is living a life of virtual slavery. It would not be a bad thing to have fewer slaves on this planet.
Honestly, consider this: Every single species on earth, (including humans until recently), exists with the reality of early death. It is not such a horrible thing. It is perfectly natural. People used to die in childbirth all the time, and it wasn’t thought of as some great crisis that was in desperate need of remedy.
Rather, it was considered a natural part of the human condition. Which it is. I’m tired of living amongst slaves. I really am. Modern civilization is a freak experiment.
hey nobody mentioned that Watson was on LSD when he discovered the double helix
Blacksnake, I liked your post. The amount of ignorance out here is just ridiculous. To sit and say that Watson is even remotely correct is an example of that. I think a lot of people are over-analyzing the “all men equal” thing. But sadly, people are always going to over-analyze this or that. People will always think that they are really better than the next man, rather than just working and living beside the next man.
As I sit out here in Iraq, you’ve got people killing each other not because of their race, but their beliefs. One would think that if I can sit and carry on a civilized conversation with an Iraqi, although we both have different beliefs, why can’t everyone else? Oh well…just my simple-minded two cents.
[quote]Blacksnake wrote:
I’ll have to write the book later, so for now, some concepts and hard truths: “Racism” as we know it today, is a relatively recent concept
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…Incorrect. The idea that race/racism is somehow new is nicely refuted by Sarich and Miele using historical/archaeological evidence.
…agreed
…a “huge” infusion?
…once again the concept of race was alive and well then and earlier.
…incorrect PC BS. Also, it turns out that visual clues are actually fairly accurate for racial prediction.
…actually according to evolutionary theory, we ALL have black African ancestors. It is just a matter of how long certain populations had enough of a degree of genetic isolation to obtain slightly different traits.
…Also, I’d like to mention that it is possible to understand that inter ethnic group differences exist and not be racist. You have the two conflated throughout. A racist holds one group to be superior to others. With the PC police on the case though, it seems that to even hold that such a concept as race exists is grounds for being considered racist.
…He didn’t get applause for his remarks. He’s been censured, cancelled from promoting his book, possibly lost his position at Cold Harbor Springs Lab (where he apparently has his own school of biology http://gradschool.cshl.edu/ ) and that’s probably just the beginning. Having read a little about him, he does thrive on controversy and likes to make people think with wild comments.
His comments were offbase in this instance, he should have been sure to add qualifiers to his statement to ensure that the news clip cherry pickers didn’t have the ammo to set him up as a straw man and I suspect age may have something to do with it, as well as basically most of a lifetime of tenure which does allow you to say/do pretty much whatever you want.
[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:
The widespread distribution of antibiotics in third-world (even first world) nations has enabled countless millions of individuals who would otherwise have perished before reaching maturity to live out their full lifespans in hopeless poverty and utter despair.
This is humane? I don’t think so.
…
Yes, dying from a bacterial infection is much more humane.
I would much rather die from a bacterial infection.[/quote]
Go ahead. I would rather live and try to improve my life.
[quote]lixy wrote:
I agree with you to some extent. Screening genes for defects is OK, but I don’t think privacy laws as they stand are going to stop abuses. Heck, your government is already spying on everybody. How long do you think it’ll be before somebody comes up with a “terrorist gene”. Surely, you must have a more fertile imagination than that.[/quote]
I don’t need an imagination, Horatio, I have a pretty good idea of what they’d do with the suspects and it involves urinating on religious books and barking dogs. Wouldn’t you feel better if the person(s) actually tested “terror positive” rather than just having worn a Casio watch?
[quote]As for the insurance companies, don’t fool yourself. They will come up with all sorts of correlations to justify their racist pricing.
After all, Black folks are more likely to get shot than white ones. They are also more likely to smoke, end up in jail, and all the other things which will ultimately be blamed on race if your idea is implemented. And in case of abuse, I’m sure most of them won’t have the money to take the insurance companies to court.[/quote]
First of all, those implications are made without so much as a litmus test. Secondly, insurers don’t want to insure white, smoking, ex-cons any more than they want to let an upstanding black citizen go uninsured. Simple Pareto Principle stuff.
Given Al Gore and company’s gross prostitution of the science I can see your concern. However, I don’t consider the “pro-white movement” to be near as influential as the “environmental movement” let alone the “pro-black movement”.
And I see no problem with Sarkosy’s proposition. Testing immigrants for familial connection as a step to establish citizenship violates the Liberte-Egalite-Fraternite ethos how? I can see keeping them out because it acknowledges an embarrassing time in that nation’s history is neither Liberte nor Fraternite.
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Rather, it was considered a natural part of the human condition. Which it is. I’m tired of living amongst slaves. I really am. Modern civilization is a freak experiment.[/quote]
Posting this on the internet could not have been more self-defeatingly ironic. Save this stuff for when the FBI comes to get your ass out of your shed in Montana.
[quote]Grimnuruk wrote:
Blacksnake wrote:
I’ll have to write the book later, so for now, some concepts and hard truths: “Racism” as we know it today, is a relatively recent concept
…Incorrect. The idea that race/racism is somehow new is nicely refuted by Sarich and Miele using historical/archaeological evidence.[/quote]
Not “Incorrect”, Bro’, merely different frames of reference. You are “correct” in the above statement, I was referring to the sociological perception as recent, not the anthropological (that’s a different argument/;-). We are not clashing here at all…
[quote] Most people, including those educated enough to know better, are woefully ignorant on the subject, and how the reality we percieve around us is affected (poisoned?) by this.
…agreed
A huge infusion came with returnees from the Crusades (in those days, Religion was important, the concept of “race” had not solidified yet).
…a “huge” infusion?[/quote]
“Huge” in proportion to the numbers of people shifting back and forth based on the technology of the times. Large enough to be significant, but not to the level of the burlesque!/;-D[quote]
…once again the concept of race was alive and well then and earlier.[/quote] Again, I don’t think we differ here except on the matter of degree, based on, in my analysis,the social ramifications…[quote]
The fact that there is no such thing as “race” except as a concept, and by it’s nature, then inexact, contributes to this. The simple fact is that people “assume” race by visual cues, in short “You are what you look”.
…incorrect PC BS. Also, it turns out that visual clues are actually fairly accurate for racial prediction.[/quote] I think you are making a leap here, as I am far from supporting the “PC” view. Again, I’m speaking moreso from the “trench level” sociological aspect. The “functional” reality a person has to deal with walking through life. For example: A lot of the oft mistaken “hostility” attributted to the “Black” male is simply a survival reaction no different than anyone else in structure, simply different in degree relative to the stress outside forces are imposing upon him/her based on something they cannot control, i.e. perceptions/assumptions/predjudice, (the, “It’s a Black thing, you wouldnt understand” cheeky phrase you hear bandied about sometimes. Ironically, commonly by people who have no clue about what it really means). For a better handle on this, I suggest checking out John H. Griffins “Hands on” sociological study, which still holds much merit. The “Cliff Notes” version can be found here, if you are even remotely interested, it’s well worth the time and not to be “Pooh-Poohed’” by anyone serious about the subject, with critical thinking skills who love a really good movie/;^)…Black Like Me (1964) - IMDb
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This is gospel to the narrow-minded hardhead as well as the casual “matter of fact” racist. It has little to do with the facts, however. There are literally hundreds of thousands of “whites” who have Black ancestry, and even more “Blacks” with white ancestry.
…actually according to evolutionary theory, we ALL have black African ancestors. It is just a matter of how long certain populations had enough of a degree of genetic isolation to obtain slightly different traits. [/quote]
Again, we are pretty much in agreement, just evaluating from different disciplines, both of which have their strengths and weaknesses, as all do…[quote]
…Also, I’d like to mention that it is possible to understand that inter ethnic group differences exist and not be racist.[/quote] But only to those intelligent enough to handle conceptual & critical thinking (without those pesky political agendas), a shrinking population I’m afraid…[quote] You have the two conflated throughout.[/quote] “Not”|:-D[quote]…A racist holds one group to be superior to others. With the PC police on the case though, it seems that to even hold that such a concept as race exists is grounds for being considered racist.[/quote] Again, I don’t (generally) disagree with this. Indeed, injecting political agendas do nothing but confuse rather than harmonize, mostly by intention vs. ignorance? Ehh…(!)…[quote]
When men with the credentials this eugenics-lover has, runs his mouth like this, and gets applause, it disgusts and dissapoints. What really makes me sick at heart is I cant do a lot to change it, despite all the knowledge I have gained on the subject.
…He didn’t get applause for his remarks. [/quote] Well, he did in that specific instance, prior to the expected reaction you mention here [quote] He’s been censured, cancelled from promoting his book, possibly lost his position at Cold Harbor Springs Lab (where he apparently has his own school of biology http://gradschool.cshl.edu/ ) and that’s probably just the beginning. Having read a little about him, he does thrive on controversy and likes to make people think with wild comments.
His comments were offbase in this instance, he should have been sure to add qualifiers to his statement to ensure that the news clip cherry pickers didn’t have the ammo to set him up as a straw man[/quote] Damn straight on that!..Agendas not so hidden…[quote] and I suspect age may have something to do with it, as well as basically most of a lifetime of tenure which does allow you to say/do pretty much whatever you want.[/quote]
“The risks of living in an ivory tower is the exposure of broken whited seplecures”…/;-D…I’m needin’ some sleep now! EZ, Grimm’!..[quote]
[quote]Beast27195 wrote:
Blacksnake, I liked your post. The amount of ignorance out here is just ridiculous. To sit and say that Watson is even remotely correct is an example of that. I think a lot of people are over-analyzing the “all men equal” thing. But sadly, people are always going to over-analyze this or that. People will always think that they are really better than the next man, rather than just working and living beside the next man.
As I sit out here in Iraq, you’ve got people killing each other not because of their race, but their beliefs. One would think that if I can sit and carry on a civilized conversation with an Iraqi, although we both have different beliefs, why can’t everyone else? Oh well…just my simple-minded two cents. [/quote]
Stand by for a PM from me when I can do you the proper justice you deserve, Trooper!..I’ve got training (trigger time) in the AM and I’ve already been up too late, dont want a negligent discharge ruining my day, I’m already knowing I’m gonna’ be feelin’ like a “non-detonating projectile”!/;-D…
[quote]lixy wrote:
Blacksnake wrote:
No problem with the Koran, anti-Negritude is explicitly written in
I, for one, would be very interested in knowing which part of the Quran you are referring to. It’s probably of little relevance to the thread’s topic, but do share.
For now, and based on your comment, I’ll just assume you have never read the book.[/quote]
Lix…
Dont misunderstand me Bro’…I truly do understand and respect your passion (I simply have a different view based upon my knowledge, training and experience)…I’m NOT going to do your work for you, I know that no compendium of ‘facts’ will ever sway you from your convictions…You have your own mind…But I cant resist throwing these Trout in your path for consideration. …Know that I do this out of love/respect, not of being an a**hole…
http://textfiles.fisher.hu/sex/circhst1.txt
These are by no means definitive, just objects to contemplate in the overall sceme of things…I urge you not to abuse it…