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[quote]OldManJoe wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

Tribulus, this might be a shock to you but: The Bible isn’t the word of God. It was written by the people of that era without any super natural input whatsoever. This is why the Bible contains all the crap like slavery and stoning, because that was happening at the time. You don’t hear the Bible mentioning “Don’t shoot people”, instead it says “Don’t stone people”. And it says Slavery is allowed because slavery was allowed during that time.

Do you condone slavery and stoning like the Bible does? I already know you don’t so my question is why do you choose to pick out only certain parts of the bible and follow those, and then you ignore the other parts?

I’ll tell you why, it’s because you’re not really using the bible for morals, you’re also just using your own reason and evidence. That very reason and evidence tells you that you would never stone someone for not believing in God, but at the same time it is also against the Bible.

There’s no reason to believe that old expired, obsolete, immoral, unjustified piece of crap book, so stop quoting scripture.[/quote]Calm down man. If you’re as old as your handle implies, all this hyperventilating isn’t good for your blood pressure. Trust me my friend. ALL of this has come up before and a sound understanding of the biblical covenantal history of redemption makes perfect sense of the movement from earthly theocracy to fulfillment in the person and work of Jesus Christ. It’s exactly because of Christ that stoning and slavery are no longer valid in the way that the old testament reports. That was the plan from before creation. I treasure every syllable of God’s holy Word. I’m serious about calming down btw. No need for acid reflux. Why do you care what a brain dead moron like me thinks?

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[quote]Neuromancer wrote:

Now that is 100% true.[/quote]

It just means Christianity is a load of crap.

And as for God, I treat him as if he doesn’t exist because he currently has the exact same properties as something that doesn’t exist, which is of course: No evidence.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]OldManJoe wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

Tribulus, this might be a shock to you but: The Bible isn’t the word of God. It was written by the people of that era without any super natural input whatsoever. This is why the Bible contains all the crap like slavery and stoning, because that was happening at the time. You don’t hear the Bible mentioning “Don’t shoot people”, instead it says “Don’t stone people”. And it says Slavery is allowed because slavery was allowed during that time.

Do you condone slavery and stoning like the Bible does? I already know you don’t so my question is why do you choose to pick out only certain parts of the bible and follow those, and then you ignore the other parts?

I’ll tell you why, it’s because you’re not really using the bible for morals, you’re also just using your own reason and evidence. That very reason and evidence tells you that you would never stone someone for not believing in God, but at the same time it is also against the Bible.

There’s no reason to believe that old expired, obsolete, immoral, unjustified piece of crap book, so stop quoting scripture.[/quote]Calm down man. If you’re as old as your handle implies, all this hyperventilating isn’t good for your blood pressure. Trust me my friend. ALL of this has come up before and a sound understanding of the biblical covenantal history of redemption makes perfect sense of the movement from earthly theocracy to fulfillment in the person and work of Jesus Christ. It’s exactly because of Christ that stoning and slavery are no longer valid in the way that the old testament reports. That was the plan from before creation. I treasure every syllable of God’s holy Word. I’m serious about calming down btw. No need for acid reflux. Why do you care what a brain dead moron like me thinks?
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Because you’ll legislate based on your religion.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]OldManJoe wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

Tribulus, this might be a shock to you but: The Bible isn’t the word of God. It was written by the people of that era without any super natural input whatsoever. This is why the Bible contains all the crap like slavery and stoning, because that was happening at the time. You don’t hear the Bible mentioning “Don’t shoot people”, instead it says “Don’t stone people”. And it says Slavery is allowed because slavery was allowed during that time.

Do you condone slavery and stoning like the Bible does? I already know you don’t so my question is why do you choose to pick out only certain parts of the bible and follow those, and then you ignore the other parts?

I’ll tell you why, it’s because you’re not really using the bible for morals, you’re also just using your own reason and evidence. That very reason and evidence tells you that you would never stone someone for not believing in God, but at the same time it is also against the Bible.

There’s no reason to believe that old expired, obsolete, immoral, unjustified piece of crap book, so stop quoting scripture.[/quote]

Calm down man. If you’re as old as your handle implies, all this hyperventilating isn’t good for your blood pressure. Trust me my friend. ALL of this has come up before and a sound understanding of the biblical covenantal history of redemption makes perfect sense of the movement from earthly theocracy to fulfillment in the person and work of Jesus Christ. It’s exactly because of Christ that stoning and slavery are no longer valid in the way that the old testament reports. That was the plan from before creation. I treasure every syllable of God’s holy Word. I’m serious about calming down btw. No need for acid reflux. Why do you care what a brain dead moron like me thinks?
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“Why do you care what a brain dead moron like me thinks?”

Well if you don’t have the confidence and you acknowledge that you’re a brain dead moron, which I think is somewhat accurate, then stop pretending you know what you’re talking about and stop preaching about Jesus and scripture. It’s silly and unjustified behavior.

If you need it to help with your lack of self esteem or some other depression then pray to yourself but certainly don’t go around preaching about religion when you yourself can recognize that you’re an unreliable source of information. How about taking steps to become someone who is not a brain dead moron and then reassess your beliefs after that?

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:It’ll take me a while to get back with ya’ll on the problem of the one and the many. I’ll post about it in either the metaphysics or epistemology thread when I’m ready. [/quote]One the longest standing foundational philosophical knots of all. I’m hoping in the future to do a bit more with Kamui. Some would say that every other philosophical issue reduces eventually into the problem of the one and the many. Of course I am a hook line and sinker proponent of Van Til’s solution which I take to be utterly biblical. Craig may even agree with Van Til at this level Joab.
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I’m starting to see why.

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[quote]MattyG35 wrote:<<< Because you’ll legislate based on your religion.[/quote]Please see my post to Angry Chicken on 08-24-2012 at 09:50 AM about 20% down on this http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/world_news_war/hijack_haven?id=5125704&pageNo=12 page. Since you are pitifully ignorant of the founding and history of your own country which was all about my religion. I’ll say again for the 50th time. 44 of the 55 delegates to the first constitutional convention openly associated themselves with denominations that were not just Christian, but my brand as well. Facts Matty. We’ll see how much you really like em after all.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:<<< Because you’ll legislate based on your religion.[/quote]Please see my post to Angry Chicken on 08-24-2012 at 09:50 AM about 20% down on this http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/world_news_war/hijack_haven?id=5125704&pageNo=12 page. Since you are pitifully ignorant of the founding and history of your own country which was all about my religion. I’ll say again for the 50th time. 44 of the 55 delegates to the first constitutional convention openly associated themselves with denominations that were not just Christian, but my brand as well. Facts Matty. We’ll see how much you really like em after all.
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The next question becomes, was everything they did right and if not what should change.

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[quote]OldManJoe wrote:
Here’s a couple great Dawkin’s quotes that relate to this thread:

“Faith can be very very dangerous, and deliberately to implant it into the vulnerable mind of an innocent child is a grievous wrong.”

  • Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion

“It is absolutely safe to say that if you meet somebody who claims not to believe in evolution, that person is ignorant, stupid or insane (or wicked, but I’d rather not consider that).”

  • Richard Dawkins [/quote]

Good quotes, especially about shortcircuiting a kid’s mind.

I see that short circuit all the time on here: they demand proof of everything except of what THEY believe.

“Prove 2 + 2 = 4, but accept the existence of God on faith.”

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[quote]OldManJoe wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]OldManJoe wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]OldManJoe wrote:
…murder, slavery among other things which is completely immoral.

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Please don’t use the word immoral if you don’t mean it.[/quote]

Please don’t make weird statements and then not explain what the heck you’re talking about.[/quote]

You made a statement of fact about something (moral/immoral, good/evil) that isn’t testable by science. Say something like, ‘these things are risky to participate in.’ Leave the superstitious moral/immoral stuff to us.[/quote]

I said the Bible condones murder, slavery, stoning, other crazy stuff, and that stuff is immoral. So that brings the whole book into question obviously because if it’s supposed to be the word of God then why does it encourage such horrible and stupid things? Well because it’s not the word of god, it’s the word of the people living at that time and slavery, stoning etc. were apart of that era.[/quote]

^^^^ this. The bible was written by men, for SOME men.

Ruling by mysticism, guilt, and fear was the purpose of that book. Sure, there are blurbs in there that can be inspirational (I like parts of Deuteronomy). But like all religious texts that try to proscribe behavior, its a tool used by some men to rule other men.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]OldManJoe wrote:

I said the Bible condones murder, slavery, stoning, other crazy stuff, and that stuff is immoral. [/quote]

I know what you said, but you’re supposed to be a man of science, the whole science, and nothing but the science, so help you Darwin. There is no room for things like ‘moral/immoral’ for a scientific thinking man! No moral obligations. No inherent rights. Nothing of the sort.

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See? Morality is reserved only to the mystics…LOLOLOLOLOLOL!

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:<<< Because you’ll legislate based on your religion.[/quote]Please see my post to Angry Chicken on 08-24-2012 at 09:50 AM about 20% down on this http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/world_news_war/hijack_haven?id=5125704&pageNo=12 page. Since you are pitifully ignorant of the founding and history of your own country which was all about my religion. I’ll say again for the 50th time. 44 of the 55 delegates to the first constitutional convention openly associated themselves with denominations that were not just Christian, but my brand as well. Facts Matty. We’ll see how much you really like em after all.
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What’s your point? Evolution is a fact too but you don’t seem to want to believe that.

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[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:<<< Because you’ll legislate based on your religion.[/quote]Please see my post to Angry Chicken on 08-24-2012 at 09:50 AM about 20% down on this http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/world_news_war/hijack_haven?id=5125704&pageNo=12 page. Since you are pitifully ignorant of the founding and history of your own country which was all about my religion. I’ll say again for the 50th time. 44 of the 55 delegates to the first constitutional convention openly associated themselves with denominations that were not just Christian, but my brand as well. Facts Matty. We’ll see how much you really like em after all.
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The next question becomes, was everything they did right and if not what should change.[/quote]

Exactly. Religions refuse to accept that they could be wrong. And when they are wrong they still don’t change their views. That’s the difference with science, when new evidence is brought into the picture then science books are modified but the bible remains the same obsolete book it’s always been and they’re right and they won’t change! They got it right the first time!

PS Don’t forget to stone your kid if he’s disobedient. That’s what God wants according to his book. If you don’t do that then you’re going to hell. Make sense?

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[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:<<< Because you’ll legislate based on your religion.[/quote]Please see my post to Angry Chicken on 08-24-2012 at 09:50 AM about 20% down on this http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/world_news_war/hijack_haven?id=5125704&pageNo=12 page. Since you are pitifully ignorant of the founding and history of your own country which was all about my religion. I’ll say again for the 50th time. 44 of the 55 delegates to the first constitutional convention openly associated themselves with denominations that were not just Christian, but my brand as well. Facts Matty. We’ll see how much you really like em after all.[/quote]The next question becomes, was everything they did right and if not what should change.[/quote]Please see my post which is the second on this http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/world_news_war/any_dudes_wanna_get_married;jsessionid=DB1942407141C7A8C40E313107F16634-mcd01.hydra?id=4623928&pageNo=4 page. I don’t wanna get this thread off topic.
All sarcasm aside Joe you are clueless beyond words what the bible is about. The levitical law which was the legal code for old testament theocratic Israel was fulfilled in Christ. We are now living in the age of grace. Praise His holy name!! You have no idea what that means which is ok. There’s no reason you should. The entirety of your knowledge of the word of God comes from painfully dishonest and or ignorant hack n slash bible butchery websites. Would you like me to help you understand the history of God’s redemptive decree which began in eternity as the bible actually reveals it?

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[quote]OldManJoe wrote:

[quote]Neuromancer wrote:

Now that is 100% true.[/quote]

It just means Christianity is a load of crap.

And as for God, I treat him as if he doesn’t exist because he currently has the exact same properties as something that doesn’t exist, which is of course: No evidence.[/quote]

No it just means you don’t know shit about it. That’s not my fault, that’s yours.

You want to know what’s full of crap? The notion that nothing can do something, that shit exists and happens for no reason.

No evidence? Prove to me that something can come from nothing. Nothing is more full of shit than that and as an atheist, you have no choice to believe that.

You may not like it, but you are argue from a stand point of ignorance. “I don’t get it, therefore it must be false.”
Well I don’t get gardening, but that doesn’t mean it’s false.
You know what’s full of crap? Claiming something is false because you don’t get it. That’s complete crap.

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[quote]OldManJoe wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]OldManJoe wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]OldManJoe wrote:
…murder, slavery among other things which is completely immoral.

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Please don’t use the word immoral if you don’t mean it.[/quote]

Please don’t make weird statements and then not explain what the heck you’re talking about.[/quote]

You made a statement of fact about something (moral/immoral, good/evil) that isn’t testable by science. Say something like, ‘these things are risky to participate in.’ Leave the superstitious moral/immoral stuff to us.[/quote]

I said the Bible condones murder, slavery, stoning, other crazy stuff, and that stuff is immoral. So that brings the whole book into question obviously because if it’s supposed to be the word of God then why does it encourage such horrible and stupid things? Well because it’s not the word of god, it’s the word of the people living at that time and slavery, stoning etc. were apart of that era.[/quote]

Really? So you are a Biblilcal scholar and you know this? You understand each and every on of the 72 books of the bible, the purpose of each, the context in each were written, the target audeince it was written for and why it says what it does and what the point of each passage is?

Or are you just mining those silly little atheist propaganda websites recycling the same tired old sentiments that have no basis in fact or reality.

You want to know why athiests always lose these arguments? Because they attack false premises. They knock down strawman they say is Christianity. Well it’s not and since you clearly don’t know the subject matter, so you are arguing from a point of weakness.

I have yet to see a legitimate argument from an atheist that 1) proves God does not exist. 2) What the bible actually, really says and why it says it is wrong, in context for it’s intended purpose.

Atheism is a weak minded, cowardly position.

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[quote]OldManJoe wrote:

It’s on the internet! It must be true!

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
For instance, Stalin wasn’t an evil man. He just took risks you wouldn’t take.[/quote]

That’s moral relativism in a nut shell.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]OldManJoe wrote:
Here’s a couple great Dawkin’s quotes that relate to this thread:

“Faith can be very very dangerous, and deliberately to implant it into the vulnerable mind of an innocent child is a grievous wrong.”

  • Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion

“It is absolutely safe to say that if you meet somebody who claims not to believe in evolution, that person is ignorant, stupid or insane (or wicked, but I’d rather not consider that).”

  • Richard Dawkins [/quote]

Thanks, but we already knew he was a jackass.
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And a nimrod… I cna make slogans too, doesn’t mean they are right.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:<<< Because you’ll legislate based on your religion.[/quote]Please see my post to Angry Chicken on 08-24-2012 at 09:50 AM about 20% down on this http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/world_news_war/hijack_haven?id=5125704&pageNo=12 page. Since you are pitifully ignorant of the founding and history of your own country which was all about my religion. I’ll say again for the 50th time. 44 of the 55 delegates to the first constitutional convention openly associated themselves with denominations that were not just Christian, but my brand as well. Facts Matty. We’ll see how much you really like em after all.[/quote]The next question becomes, was everything they did right and if not what should change.[/quote]Please see my post which is the second on this http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/world_news_war/any_dudes_wanna_get_married;jsessionid=DB1942407141C7A8C40E313107F16634-mcd01.hydra?id=4623928&pageNo=4 page. I don’t wanna get this thread off topic.
All sarcasm aside Joe you are clueless beyond words what the bible is about. The levitical law which was the legal code for old testament theocratic Israel was fulfilled in Christ. We are now living in the age of grace. Praise His holy name!! You have no idea what that means which is ok. There’s no reason you should. The entirety of your knowledge of the word of God comes from painfully dishonest and or ignorant hack n slash bible butchery websites. Would you like me to help you understand the history of God’s redemptive decree which began in eternity as the bible actually reveals it?
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A: You’re a self proclaimed brain dead moron. Therefore your opinion doesn’t count for much.

B: You ignore certain information in posts and only take in and/or address the information you like. This means you’re not being objective and your opinion doesn’t count for much.

Why would I not have confidence in Science when science is proven and has changed our world drastically? The internet, planes, Radio, this is all science you know? Planes work pretty good, the internet is great isn’t it? Do you believe in the internet? Ever been on a plane? Do you have confidence in planes? I do.

How come you don’t reject those sciences but you reject evolution? There is documented, peer reviewed, scientific evidence for all of these things and evolution is right in there. Scientists didn’t just tell us all this stuff is true and then lie to us about evolution.

We have no reason not to trust them.